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    who are you talking to when you quote me? You're going off on all these weird tangents that have nothing to do with me or what I think.
    Like the comment, "The MR doesn't say what you wanted it to say about Trump."

    All I wanted from it was an honest report from a person with integrity. I actually believe I did get what I wanted from it. Time will tell, but for where we are today, I do think Mueller has acted with integrity and patriotism, as he understands it. That's exactly what I want.


    Quote Originally Posted by spoon
    Are you trying to say that Mueller still has cards to play? That he knows something that's not in the report?? You're not for real on that right?"
    Yes.
    I can't even image why you'd believe that it would be in any prosecuter's interest to disclose 100% of their findings prior to them making an official indictment... which, we agree, was never even the slightest hint of an option from Mueller.
    It doesn't mean there necessarily are more cards to play, but it certainly indicates why the assumption that there are no more cards to play doesn't make sense in this case.
    Again... you're not fully taking the weight of Mueller's position into account. In his mind, that would be treason. In his mind, he has a patriotic duty to NOT disclose any information that would force his hand into indictment when the accused is sitting POTUS.


    here's where you fail. Just because he doesn't say "not guilty" doesn't mean that he's implicitly saying "guilty", or even "probably guilty" or even "maybe guilty".
    I've never suggested anything of the sort. You're jumping to conclusions which I have given you no reason to think I hold.
    You're assigning media fanaticism to me. I stopped consuming American news media years ago. It's all crap. If you think any ANY of the American news outlets are more interested in facts than ratings, then we really can't ever see eye to eye on any of these issues.
    Both sides of the political media aisle are 100% more interested in spin and outrage than they are in Truth, adult discourse, or an educated populace.
    Please stop attributing their stupid notions to me. I'm not saying any of the things you seem to think I am in this quote.
    All I'm saying is that in addition to all those things you just told me I think, but which I don't think, the MR also doesn't say "innocent" or "not guilty" on most of the issues it discusses.

    It does say "innocent" or "not guilty" on other things. That's interesting. That's my point. For you to assume that I'm drawing any other conclusions is just you missing the point and inventing a villain to argue with. I'm probably a villain, but not that villain.

    By evaluating them independently and not measuring them against other things in the report. That's totally fallacious logic that a scientist should be ashamed of.
    This is a weak troll that you should really, really know by now will never work on me.

    You don't understand the Sun by not comparing it to other stars. You put it in the context of similar things and you compare and contrast those things.
    You don't understand one part of the MR without taking it in the context of the entire MR.

    How exactly would you define "my opposition"? It sounds like you believe that I am opposed to differing points of view. When in actuality it's the stupidity and false premises that those points of view are built on that I rage against. If you want to say Trump is a racist because he doesn't want a hispanic judge ruling on his case, I get that. I dont' agree, that makes him racist, but I get the argument. On the other hand if you want to say that Trump is racist because he said there were good people on both sides of Charlottesville, then you're a fucking idiot hoax victim, and should expect to be met with rage.
    I'd say you're angry about paper tigers, but you are too caught up in the myopic view of hysterical media that you have lost touch with the ability to have an intelligent conversation with a non-hysterical human being.

    I don't want to say that about Trump. If I did, I'd have said it. The fact that I've never said it, indeed said the opposite, and you're accusing me of having said it or of wanting to say it...just WTF, man? IDK why you think you're so smart on these topics when you can't even listen to the person you're talking to and respond to their points. IDK who you think you're talking to. Your responses frequently have nothing to do with me or anything I think.


    Talking with you is like,
    Me: Hey, nice day, eh?
    Spoon: OMFG! You think thunderstorms are great? Huh? Tornados? Hurricanes? Yeah... Seeing people's homes washed out to sea after a Tsunami really gets you going, huh?
    Me: What? No. It's 70 degrees and partly cloudy, and it's nice, man.
    Spoon: So you think Trump is a racist because of the syrup he put on his pancakes in 1963?


    Seriously. You're on a soapbox and that's probably really fun for you, but it's not a conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    IDK who you think you're talking to. Your responses frequently have nothing to do with me or anything I think.
    You'll have to be more specific. I'm not saying I don't do this. I'm sure it happens alot so I need to know what exactly you're referring to. I frequently use "you" when I'm not actually addressing you, MMM, specifically.

    Like when I asked you about my opposition and I said "If you think Trump is racist...." the "you" in that sentence is the hypothetical, vague, nebulous "opposition" that you referenced. It's more like I'm addressing the world, and anyone in it that might present themselves as my "opposition". Not just you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    You'll have to be more specific. I'm not saying I don't do this. I'm sure it happens alot so I need to know what exactly you're referring to. I frequently use "you" when I'm not actually addressing you, MMM, specifically.

    Like when I asked you about my opposition and I said "If you think Trump is racist...." the "you" in that sentence is the hypothetical, vague, nebulous "opposition" that you referenced. It's more like I'm addressing the world, and anyone in it that might present themselves as my "opposition". Not just you.
    OK, cool. I'll try to parse it better, but geez... you're not making it easy.

    For the record, I've never said, nor do I believe Trump is really, really racist. If anything, he talks off the cuff, and says some offensive shit sometimes. So what. Almost everyone I know is like that. Mostly legit, but sometimes just need to vent and weird shit comes out when your guard is down. It happens. If there's no pattern of disrespect to people, then I'm not worried.

    Besides Trump is old AF. He grew up in a time where racism, sexism, xenophobia, were all more common and less frowned upon in mainstream society. Just because he learned to talk like that doesn't mean it represents his deeper beliefs.

    I say "thank god" and "god bless" all the stupid time. I've actively tried to stop saying that at times in my life, and it just doesn't go away. It doesn't mean I believe in God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Besides Trump is old AF. He grew up in a time where racism, sexism, xenophobia, were all more common and less frowned upon in mainstream society.
    That's a hell of an understatement. The year Trump was born....black people weren't allowed to play baseball.

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