*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[OngBonga]

That post contained awful grammar, I hope no one read it before I ninja'd it.

[Poopadoop]

I 2nd this, too.

What's wrong with you people? Even Savy has an avatar, and Savy hates everything.

Really?

I'm just lazy there's nothing anarchic about it. If you really both want me to find an avatar I'll spend the 5 minutes, but seems a bit irrelevant to me.

Maybe we can open it up to friendly discussion. What should my avatar be?

[OngBonga]

It's ok if one person doesn't have an avatar, but when more than one person doesn't, a second glance is usually required to confirm the author.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Push comes to shove, I'll back you up, even if I think you're in the wrong.

I know.

Respect is important.

You've got mine.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Really?

I'm just lazy there's nothing anarchic about it. If you really both want me to find an avatar I'll spend the 5 minutes, but seems a bit irrelevant to me.

Maybe we can open it up to friendly discussion. What should my avatar be?

I don't really care that much, but all the cool kids are doing it.
It does help to identify whom has said what a bit quicker, but it's not a big deal.

[OngBonga]

So what the fuck are you going to argue about now for the next two days? Am I going to have to be here more?

[Poopadoop]

It's ok if one person doesn't have an avatar, but when more than one person doesn't, a second glance is usually required to confirm the author.

I get it. I'll try find something.

[Poopadoop]

I don't really care that much, but all the cool kids are doing it.
It does help to identify whom has said what a bit quicker, but it's not a big deal.

lol i'm not using that, it implies I spend most of my time trying to take a shit.

And i eat yoghurt every day just so I don't.

[Poopadoop]

Ok I already can't figure out how to do it.

Until it really becomes an issue fudge you.

also,ARARHRARAHRRGGGHGHG!!!!!

[Jack Sawyer]

So similar issue is the Serena cartoon. No one wants to talk about Serena's behavior. But they are happy to say that criticism of it is racist.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/opini...nzo/index.html

^ look at this.

I don't know who Rebecca Wanzo is, but obviously a news organization as large as CNN decided that what she had to say on this was more compelling than what anyone else has written, and hence, have published her column to try and explain to us why the cartoon is racist.

That's great. I love to hear an intelligent presentation of the other side.

Except I can't find it in this column. This column is FULL of examples of other cartoons, many from bygone eras, that had controversial themes. Then the author tries to say "and this is just another example...."

As best I can tell, this is her argument:


This is not an argument. This is demagoguery. Just like the outcry against Tucker Carlson.

You can't be getting pissy with me over failing to acknowledge nuance, or respect the other side of an argument, when there IS NO OTHER SIDE.

It was racist. The racism is subtle, yet quite clearly there. Dogwhistle-ish, if you may.


Serena's features were exaggerated etc. But why was the other girl, who in reality happens to be a black japanese girl with black hair and blonde ends if you can believe it, whitewashed?

In the cartoon she's white and blonde. No exaggerated features on her. Or the actually white ref. Only Serena.

Things that make you go mmmm

[Jack Sawyer]

Asking a question isn't wrong, but asking a stupid question based on some definition you just made up is not "seeking truth" as you claim.

Why is it a stupid question.

WHY is it a stupid question.

Why is it a stupid question????

I wasn't following the entire discussion because, damn, you guys have been bitching a lot lately

But using logic I can assume that because the question is "based on some definition you just made up" is what makes it "stupid"

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ok I already can't figure out how to do it.

Until it really becomes an issue fudge you.

also,ARARHRARAHRRGGGHGHG!!!!!

Game on.

[OngBonga]

It was racist. The racism is subtle, yet quite clearly there. Dogwhistle-ish, if you may.

Would it be racist if she was depicted as a white male?

[OngBonga]

Way I see it, Osaka has more reason to complain. Is she complaining? I really don't know, but I'll wager she's not, because she's Japanese and them guys really don't get themselves worked up about these things.

[Poopadoop]

It was racist. The racism is subtle, yet quite clearly there. Dogwhistle-ish, if you may.


Serena's features were exaggerated etc.

I thought this as well, but I didn't want to get into an argument with banana over it because, you know...


ARRAARARARARGHGHGGHGHG!!!!

[Poopadoop]

she's Japanese and them guys really don't get themselves worked up about these things.

omfg

[OngBonga]

omfg

They don't. Remember Karlie Kloss? A white American model, wearing traditional Japanese clothing and makeup? Ring any bells? America lost its shit, crying "cultural appropriation" and "omfg". Of course, if you actually went to the streets of Tokyo and asked them what they think, you'll get thinks like "she's pretty", and "I'm happy that Americans know Japanese culture".

Japan can teach us a lot when it comes to racism. They don't have a victim mentality, they seem to have the attititude that if someone is racist, well that's the racist's problem, not theirs.

Try not to spit out your tea.

[OngBonga]

I'm curious poop. What is it about my last post that is worthy of "omfg"?

Let me say something. The Brazillians have won the most World Cups. Those guys are good at football.

Have I just said something racist? I mean, that's an insult to every Brazillian who isn't good at football, right? I just stereotyped all of Brazil as being good at football. Jesus fucking Christ, I should be ashamed of myself.

You're so afraid of being racist, it's so deeply ingrained into you, that you scream in hysteria whenever someone says anything that comes close to your distorted idea of what racism is.

Reassess your idea of racism, for your own sake.

[Poopadoop]

Ya, all those people who respond negatively to racist depictions of themselves are way out of line.

Also, that example you gave had nothing to do with racism.

[OngBonga]

fwiw there is an element of "racism" in my views when it comes to Japan. I consider them the most superior race in the world. Actual superiority. It's a good job I'm not Japanese, otherwise I'd be a terrible person.

[OngBonga]

Ya, all those people who respond negatively to racist depictions of themselves are way out of line.

Also, that example you gave had nothing to do with racism.

Racist depictions of "themselves"? "All those people"?

There's more than one Serena Williams?

[Poopadoop]

I'm curious poop. What is it about my last post that is worthy of "omfg"?

It's the implication that black people suck because they're offended by racism.

[OngBonga]

It's the implication that black people suck because they're offended by racism.

You made that impilication.

WHITE people suck because they're offended by "racism".

Well, anyone sucks who is offended by things that aren't actually racist.

[OngBonga]

I mean that's such a terrible strawman. Where did I say "black people suck"?

YOU are a racist for thinking it. You wouldn't make that assumption if I were black.

[Jack Sawyer]

Way I see it, Osaka has more reason to complain. Is she complaining? I really don't know, but I'll wager she's not, because she's Japanese and them guys really don't get themselves worked up about these things.

That's because you do not know her story.

In racially homogeneous Japan, Osaka is considered hāfu, which is Japanese for biracial. Her Japanese grandfather was furious when he found out that her mother was romantically involved with a black man. As a result of the interracial relationship, her mother did not have contact with her family for over ten years. In a 2016 interview, Osaka said: "When I go to Japan, people are confused. From my name, they don’t expect to see a black girl.

Does that sound like the Japanese do not get themselves worked up over these things?

I heard "Osaka" and when I saw her I was WTF as well.

And yes, she has every reason to complain. She was whitewashed in that cartoon. This is straight out of the Jim Crow era.

[Jack Sawyer]

Japan can teach us a lot when it comes to racism. They don't have a victim mentality, they seem to have the attititude that if someone is racist, well that's the racist's problem, not theirs. .

Yeah, they mostly teach that if your daughter marries a gaijin, disown her.

[MadMojoMonkey]

It's almost like painting a large group of people with broad strokes is bound to end with your foot in your mouth.
Amazing.

I mean to think... when you say things about people whom you don't know at all and have never met, you tend to say something that has no bearing on those people.
It's like speaking from ignorance is bound to result in saying ignorant things.

Surely we need more data on this.
Someone throw some cash at poopy. He's a psycho-doctor, right?
Qualified enough for gov't monies, I'm sure.

[Jack Sawyer]

You made that impilication.

WHITE people suck because they're offended by "racism".

Well, anyone sucks who is offended by things that aren't actually racist.

That particular cartoon was racist though. Note the whitewashing of Osaka

I mean, her name is Osaka. even if you may not know how she looks like, why did you make her white and blonde? And why does Serena have to look like fucking Donkey Kong?

That's a why it's a racist dogwhistle. The black chick looks like donkey kong being so ultra exaggerated, and the white blond chick and white umpire have only slightly exaggerated features while looking completely calm. Blacks behave like monkeys, whites can have civilized interaction. Don't get it yet?

Make Serena less like Donkey Kong and give Osaka the skin color she has in real life. Black. Then you can not claim any hint of racism in there.

[Poopadoop]

Haha I actually don't think we can learn much of anything from social psychology. Too many uncontrolled variables, there.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Haha I actually don't think we can learn much of anything from social psychology. Too many uncontrolled variables, there.

Isn't that what p-hacking is for?

[Poopadoop]

Also, agree with Jack. It's not hard to mock Serena for losing her shit banana-style without depicting her as donkey kong. I suspect that if one did draw that cartoon in a racially sensitive way, it would actually be funny without being offensive.

[Poopadoop]

Isn't that what p-hacking is for?

If you're gonna do that you might as well go straight to making up the data. Save yourself some time.

[MadMojoMonkey]

OMG!!
Propper speeling killz!

[Poopadoop]

That is a pretty sweet correlation though.

[OngBonga]

That's because you do not know her story.

As it happens, I looked into her as soon as she won. When a 20 y/o Japanese woman wins a major event, I notice.

Does that sound like the Japanese do not get themselves worked up over these things?

Her Grandfather? It's funny how you're giving a lecture about racism, while using an individual old person as a measure of how racist Japan as a nation is.

I heard "Osaka" and when I saw her I was WTF as well.

Yup, me too. She's still smoking hot though. Half Jap half black works for me.

And yes, she has every reason to complain. She was whitewashed in that cartoon. This is straight out of the Jim Crow era.

But she didn't complain, at least I don't think she did. I hope she doesn't, I hope she rises above it.

Yeah, they mostly teach that if your daughter marries a gaijin, disown her.

They? Are you steroetyping an entire race of people again here based on the actions of a few old folk with outdated views?

That particular cartoon was racist though. Note the whitewashing of Osaka

Yet it's Serena throwing a tantrum.

And why does Serena have to look like fucking Donkey Kong?

Because Serena looks like fucking Donkey Kong.

[Poopadoop]

Her Grandfather? It's funny how you're giving a lecture about racism, while using an individual old person as a measure of how racist Japan as a nation is.

They? Are you steroetyping an entire race of people again here based on the actions of a few old folk with outdated views?

Is this broad enough for you?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion.../#.W5vZU7jTW70

Because Serena looks like fucking Donkey Kong.

Please uninstall the internet.

[OngBonga]

Please uninstall the internet.

Jack's words, not mine.

[OngBonga]

I mean there's a reason he didn't ask "why did he have to draw Serena a butch black woman?".

[Poopadoop]

I mean there's a reason he didn't ask "why did he have to draw Serena a butch black woman?".

If he'd drawn her as 'butch', as in muscular, no-one would argue with that characterization of her.

It was because he drew her like a stomping ape that it's offensive.

And you agreeing with her looking like a stomping ape makes you look just as bad. I guess your defense is "well, i don't think i'm being racist so therefore I'm not", but that's pretty lame imo.

[OngBonga]

So it's ok for Jack to use language like "fucking Donkey Kong" but not me?

If she was white and butch, would it be racist to depict her as an albino gorilla?

Way I see it, it's her being butch that is the subject of mockery. I couldn't give a fuck if she's black or white, it's those accusing me of racism that have this obsession with skin colour. Funny that.

[OngBonga]

It was because he drew her like a stomping ape that it's offensive.

You see a stomping ape. Maybe you should ask who's being racist.

I see a butch black throwing a tantrum.

[Poopadoop]

So it's ok for Jack to use language like "fucking Donkey Kong" but not me?

Jack said 'the cartoonist made her look like DK'

You said 'she does look like DK'

BIG difference.

If she was white and butch, would it be racist to depict her as an albino gorilla?

No, because white people aren't compared to apes by racists, black people are. Or are you still pretending there's no history of that ever happening?

I couldn't give a fuck if she's black or white,

That'd be easier to believe if you stopped saying racist and/or bigoted things.

it's those accusing me of racism that have this obsession with skin colour. Funny that.

Pointing out that you saying something that's racist and/or bigoted is racist and/or bigoted is hardly an 'obsession'. It only happens when you do it, which seems to be often. Maybe that's why you think we're all obsessed.

Stop and think before you speak once in awhile and you won't have to keep denying you're a racist or bigot just because you say racist and/or bigoted things.

[MadMojoMonkey]

That is a pretty sweet correlation though.

Piecewise cubic curve-fits are sexxy.
Using them gives +15% truthiness to any plot.

[Poopadoop]

Piecewise cubic curve-fits are sexxy.
Using them gives +15% truthiness to any plot.

Makes me wonder if we can find out what causes deaths by lawnmower too.

[OngBonga]

Jack said 'the cartoonist made her look like DK'

Slight misrep. Jack asked why she was drawn like DK. I answered because she looks like DK. That's an observation, not discrimination. If a butch black woman throws a tantrum, chance are she'll look like DK.

No, because white people aren't compared to apes by racists, black people are. Or are you still pretending there's no history of that ever happening?

So? Some people call whites "devils". So... if someone draws a picture of me with horns, are they being racist? What if I was acting like a cunt?

That'd be easier to believe if you stopped saying racist and/or bigoted things.

Your idea of racism is far removed from what racism actually is. I've said it many, many times. I have no sense of superiority over black people. Serena is my equal, regardless of her colour, gender, or talent. That means she doesn't get any special treatment from me when people mock her for being a cunt.

Pointing out that you saying something that's racist and/or bigoted is racist and/or bigoted is hardly an 'obsession'.

It is obsession. You hold me to a different standard than Jack, and you wouldn't give a fuck if I was saying things you find offensive towards a white person.

Stop and think before you speak once in awhile and you won't have to keep denying you're a racist or bigot just because you say racist and/or bigoted things.

I didn't say anything racist. You imagined it.

[Poopadoop]

I didn't say anything racist. You imagined it

First, you said Japanese people don't get worked up about racism, and then added that they are a superior race.

Second, you said Serena looks like a stomping ape.

And when you're called out on it, rather than examine yourself and what words you're using, you try to claim everyone else is the racist, not you. Lame.

[OngBonga]

Oh yeah, I said Japs are superior. That's the closest I've come to actually being racist. However, most people would say racism is the belief that one's own race is superior to another. I don't believe that to be the case.

Second, you said Serena looks like a stomping ape.

Not racist. She was slamming her racquet on the floor, and she happens to be a butch black woman. I can't help it if she looks like a stomping ape, and I can't help it if other people have used such language to describe black people in general.

[OngBonga]

Further, it was Jack who used the term "fucking Donkey Kong". I merely agreed.

If Jack said "fucking nigger", well you'd surely accept he shouldn't say that. Why use the phrase "fucking Donkey Kong" when he knows it's racially charged? Why not just say ape to remain on safe ground? He chose to use racially charged language.

[MadMojoMonkey]

First, you said Japanese people don't get worked up about racism, and then added that they are a superior race.

To be fair, not too many people get worked up if you treat someone nicely for whatever reasons.

There are different levels of racism, and they're not equal.

A brown-skinned person saying, "They guy wont want to do that, 'cause he has brown skin like me" is text-book racism. They're making statements about how someone will behave based solely on skin color. However, there is no negativity there, so it's not likely that anyone crying racism is going to get any attention.

A loud-mouth on the bus ride home yesterday was yelling, "I'm taking all shit from white people today." I was the only white person on the bus, and I was in a good mood, so I turned to face him and I said, "Well, I hope you don't have to take any." his response, "You better stay in your lane." IDK exactly what that means, but I guess he was saying, "Don't be out-of-line," so I clarified, "you said you're taking shit from white people. I hope no white people give you any shit today." He says, "Look. I don't like white people." So I respond with, "Well, I'm sorry 'bout that; I'm in your space." And I just ignored him the rest of the ride. He left me alone after that.

Was that a racist exchange?
He said he doesn't like white people, sure. But he wasn't being aggressive about it. He was saying, "I'm not going to get worked up over racist shit today." His whole point was that he was going to ignore it.

The world is complicated. Plenty of people want to be better tomorrow than they are today. I think that guy was one of them. I hope that being a white person whom wasn't any threat to him and whom respected his space helps in the long run. It certainly didn't hurt me for him to say he doesn't like white people while treating me with respect.

[OngBonga]

"I don't like white people"

That's as racist as it gets. Change the word "white" for "black" and tell me there's a difference.

[MadMojoMonkey]

"I don't like white people"

That's as racist as it gets. Change the word "white" for "black" and tell me there's a difference.

That is 100% not "as racist as it gets," ong.

I mostly agree that it was racist, but I'd think you of all people would appreciate him expressing his preferences is not the same as him oppressing anyone.
He was yelling in general, attracting everyone's attention, but he didn't change his tone when speaking to me. I didn't sense any disrespect from him aside from - maybe - his assumption that I was acting "out of line" (if that's what he meant). I said a sentence and maybe he was expecting me to harass him, but I didn't, and he didn't harass me, either.

Sure, it was a bit racist, but not in a criminal or hurtful way. Not from my perspective, anyway.


If I say, "I am only attracted to women, 'cause men are ugly," that's not really sexism is it? It's just me expressing that I'm straight.

[OngBonga]

Do you really think saying "I don't like whites" is the same as saying "I'm not homosexual"?

Are you trying to outtroll me?

Granted, "as racist as it gets" is overkill, Hitler was certainly more racist. But not liking an entire race of people because, well, skin colour, that is more than "a bit racist". Don't get me wrong, that dude has every right to not like someone for whatever reason he likes. But if his reason is because of skin colour, he is most definitely racist.

I mean poop thinks I'm racist because I think a butch black woman throwing a tantrum looks like, in Jack's words, fucking Donkey Kong. It's as if saying mean things is worse than actually disliking someone for no reason other than race. I don't like Serena because she's a cunt, it has nothing to do with race. I haven't got anything against her sister. Is Venus a gobshite? Is she throwing tantrums and accusing everyone who dares to challenge her of being sexist and/or racist? Is she on Twitter shotuing about wimmin's bloody rights? Not thaat I'm aware of. So she's not a cunt.

I judge people based on how much they annoy me. Not a shred of racism.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Do you really think saying "I don't like whites" is the same as saying "I'm not homosexual"?

Are you trying to outtroll me?

No. I'm trying to bring a bit of nuance to the discussion.

I'm saying that I find it hard to pay as much attention to a man as I do to a woman. Women are more attractive to me in general, and I find it easier to maintain eye-contact with women than with men. That feels to me like I'm not treating people equally, despite their differences not being based on their choices. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying it's on the spectrum of differential treatment.

Maybe it's a bad example.

Let's ignore the whole sexism thing and just latch onto the fact that there is a spectrum of racism and not all racism is necessarily harmful.
To wit, if your belief that Japanese people are superior leads you to be respectful to Japanese people, then not too many people would be hurt by that.

Granted, "as racist as it gets" is overkill, Hitler was certainly more racist. But not liking an entire race of people because, well, skin colour, that is more than "a bit racist". Don't get me wrong, that dude has every right to not like someone for whatever reason he likes. But if his reason is because of skin colour, he is most definitely racist.

In a text-book way, I agree, but in a "harm was caused / people were denied rights" kind of way, I disagree.

I mean poop thinks [...]

It's a bit late in the conversation for you to claim you are unaware of the history of whites and blacks vis-a-vis monkey and ape comparisons.
It's a lot naive for you to expect to use those words in that context and not bristle the hairs on some people's necks.
It's irresponsible for you to expect people whom don't know you personally to hear those comparisons and not assume you are making them in full knowledge of the history.


Even if people know you personally, if you say those things in a public forum, then you'll be heard by more people than just those whom know you well.

Fine, you said something that was harmless, given your intended meanings of those words. We can all be grown-up enough to disregard our first impressions and take you on your expounded meanings. It's silly to expect that you wont have to explain yourself further when you appropriate words for a new use, given their history.

[OngBonga]

In a text-book way, I agree, but in a "harm was caused / people were denied rights" kind of way, I disagree.

Of course people are denied rights. How would a black person feel if I said to his face that I don't like black people? He would feel offended, and rightfully so. We would sit here and talk about how a black person has the right to go about his business without being subject to such comments. Why is this any different?

It's a bit late in the conversation for you to claim you are unaware of the history of whites and blacks vis-a-vis monkey and ape comparisons.

I'm not making such claims. I remind you again, I was not the one who made the DK analogy, I merely acknowledged it as apt.

It's a lot naive for you to expect to use those words in that context and not bristle the hairs on some people's necks.

Why aren't you telling this to Jack?

It's irresponsible for you to expect people whom don't know you personally to hear those comparisons and not assume you are making them in full knowledge of the history.

I don't expect anyone to think anything. I don't care what people think.

Even if people know you personally, if you say those things in a public forum, then you'll be heard by more people than just those whom know you well.

What's your point?

It's astonishing you're more concerned about me than you are the dude on the bus. What have you been smoking?

[oskar]

https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status...22275735822337

Apparently full cooperation in exchange for dropping all charges. This should be big.

[Poopadoop]

A loud-mouth on the bus ride home yesterday was yelling, "I'm taking all shit from white people today." I was the only white person on the bus, and I was in a good mood, so I turned to face him and I said, "Well, I hope you don't have to take any." his response, "You better stay in your lane." IDK exactly what that means, but I guess he was saying, "Don't be out-of-line," so I clarified, "you said you're taking shit from white people. I hope no white people give you any shit today." He says, "Look. I don't like white people." So I respond with, "Well, I'm sorry 'bout that; I'm in your space." And I just ignored him the rest of the ride. He left me alone after that.

While you meant well and it turned out fine, I'm not sure engaging with someone yelling on a bus is a good idea. What if he's mentally ill, and looking for an excuse to bop someone on the nose?

[Poopadoop]

I'm not making such claims. I remind you again, I was not the one who made the DK analogy, I merely acknowledged it as apt.


Why aren't you telling this to Jack?

Can you be any more disingenuous?

Jack was saying it as a complaint, as in "it's racist to make a black person look like Donkey Kong."

You were saying "She does look like Donkey Kong." As in, "I think she does look like a stomping ape, and so it's fine to depict her that way."

This whole 'no, it's everyone else who's racist' act is as about as weary as banana's 'I want an intelligent discussion' act. Just admit you chose your words thoughtlessly and move on.

[OngBonga]

Just admit you chose your words thoughtlessly and move on.

Jack chose my words thoughtlessly.

[Poopadoop]

https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status...22275735822337

Apparently full cooperation in exchange for dropping all charges. This should be big.

obama.jpg

[Poopadoop]

Can you be any more disingenuous?

Jack chose my words thoughtlessly.

I guess that answers that.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Of course people are denied rights. How would a black person feel if I said to his face that I don't like black people? He would feel offended, and rightfully so. We would sit here and talk about how a black person has the right to go about his business without being subject to such comments. Why is this any different?

Everyone has the right to feel offended.
No one has the right to not feel offended.

I'm not making such claims. I remind you again, I was not the one who made the DK analogy, I merely acknowledged it as apt.

C'mon, man. It doesn't matter who said it first, it matters whom agrees with it.

Why aren't you telling this to Jack?

If he comes back here making a point that it's perfectly fine to describe black people as ape-like and that should not be considered racism, then what I'm telling you applies equally to Jack. I didn't interpret his statement as making that point.
My point is NOT that you're a racist. It's that you've used racially charged language, and you know that history and you still chose those words, so you're really giving off a racist vibe, even if you don't personally endorse racism.

If it was to troll, then don't act surprised when this conversation ensues.
If it wasn't, then heads up: this conversation is extremely likely to ensue when you do this.

I don't expect anyone to think anything. I don't care what people think.

Then why even address us when we criticize your use of words?

What's your point?

That you should expect criticism when you use certain words to describe certain groups of people, ignoring the history of those words being used to describe those groups.

It's astonishing you're more concerned about me than you are the dude on the bus.

I'm not "more" concerned. My entire point is that there is nuance to racism.
My point to you was that I don't believe you're being racist, but you're still choosing to ignore the history of the words you're using, and it certainly gives the impression of historical racism.

[MadMojoMonkey]

While you meant well and it turned out fine, I'm not sure engaging with someone yelling on a bus is a good idea. What if he's mentally ill, and looking for an excuse to bop someone on the nose?

Then I get bopped on the nose. I'm not living in fear of bopped noses.

He was yelling, but not being rude. He seemed to be in a good mood, and wanted attention. That played into my decision to respond.
I've lived in this city for most of my life and I'm nowhere near an expert on street smarts, but I have enough of a grasp to know that this person wasn't acting like he was looking for a fight.

[Jack Sawyer]

This is what I said

That particular cartoon was racist though. Note the whitewashing of Osaka

I mean, her name is Osaka. even if you may not know how she looks like, why did you make her white and blonde? And why does Serena have to look like fucking Donkey Kong?

That's a why it's a racist dogwhistle. The black chick looks like donkey kong being so ultra exaggerated, and the white blond chick and white umpire have only slightly exaggerated features while looking completely calm. Blacks behave like monkeys, whites can have civilized interaction. Don't get it yet?

Make Serena less like Donkey Kong and give Osaka the skin color she has in real life. Black. Then you can not claim any hint of racism in there.

Notice I'm referring to the cartoon.

In response to this line ...

And why does Serena have to look like fucking Donkey Kong?

... you then claim

Because Serena looks like fucking Donkey Kong.

Notice you are referring to Serena herself. Do you spot the difference?

That's actually racist, ong.

[Jack Sawyer]

Slight misrep. Jack asked why she was drawn like DK. I answered because she looks like DK. That's an observation, not discrimination. If a butch black woman throws a tantrum, chance are she'll look like DK.

This is racist ongabonga. This is one of the oldest racist stereotypes there is.

Serena IRL does not look like a fucking monkey, and if you think so, then you are a (lowkey) racist

I didn't say anything racist. You imagined it.

You did call a black woman a bigass monkey. Here's your actual quote:

Because Serena looks like fucking Donkey Kong.

Why is this racist?

Animalisation and even bacterialisation are widespread elements of racist dehumanisation.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-c...b_9345322.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rnors-election

https://medium.com/@TheReclaimed/her...s-c983f1714977

https://www.theroot.com/for-white-pe...rac-1826427170

[MadMojoMonkey]

https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status...22275735822337

Apparently full cooperation in exchange for dropping all charges. This should be big.

Regardless of anything else on the top of the page, those are some great gifs.


Here's a CNN link on the story. Unsurprisingly, it has a lot more detail than a Twitter feed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/polit...lea/index.html

[OngBonga]

Nah it's really not, Jack. It's just what you think racism is.

The dude on mojo's bus... that's what racism is. If mojo were black, and the other dude white, you'd be in agreement on that matter, and would probably see it as a lot more concerning than the idea that a butch black woman smashing her racquet on the floor is akin to a stomping ape.

[Poopadoop]

He seemed to be in a good mood, and wanted attention. That played into my decision to respond.

Oh alright. I didn't get that from the OP.

You have some weird people in that city.

[Poopadoop]

Nah it's really not, Jack. It's just what practically everyone thinks racism is.

fyp

"Jews as rats. Native Americans as savages. Mexicans as animals. Blacks as apes."

You're reading right out of the racist playbook here. You don't get to re-define the language as you see fit just because you happen to dislike Williams.

[Jack Sawyer]

Oh yeah, I said Japs are superior.

In 2011, following the term's offhand use in a March 26 article appearing in The Spectator ("white-coated Jap bloke"), the Minister of the Japanese Embassy in London protested that "most Japanese people find the word 'Japs' offensive, irrespective of the circumstances in which it is used"

That's the closest I've come to actually being racist. However, most people would say racism is the belief that one's own race is superior to another. I don't believe that to be the case.

Further, it was Jack who used the term "fucking Donkey Kong". I merely agreed.

No, I said she was drawn like DK, you said that's because she looks like DK. There's a big difference in these statements. Would you agree?

If Jack said "fucking nigger"

LOL what is it with white people jumping at every opportunity to say the N-word? Is it like cool to say it or what? Does it make you edgy, using it in examples? Like oooo

well you'd surely accept he shouldn't say that. Why use the phrase "fucking Donkey Kong" when he knows it's racially charged?

Because that's what in the cartoon. They drew her exactly like they would draw fucking Donkey Kong.

Why not just say ape to remain on safe ground? He chose to use racially charged language.

What? Does not compute.

There are so many ways to draw Serena, and yet they chose to draw her that way. If the language I chose to describe the cartoon was racially charged, do you not believe that may be because the content of the cartoon is racially charged therefore describing it is going to be racially charged, no matter what?

Not racist. She was slamming her racquet on the floor, and she happens to be a butch black woman. I can't help it if she looks like a stomping ape, and I can't help it if other people have used such language to describe black people in general.

The did draw her like a big stomping ape. The other black girl in the cartoon who IRL didn't do anything, they drew her like a white blonde. Without (Or with only very slight) exaggerated features. That's the entire problem, i.e. the dogwhistle.

[OngBonga]

If a Jew gets on all fours and scuttles around on the floor, he's going to look like a rat.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Oh alright. I didn't get that from the OP.

I didn't mention it, but maybe I should have.

You have some weird people in that city.

St Louis has some weird people, but nothing like Portland, OR or Los Angeles. Not to mention NYC or the entire state of Florida.

St Louis is really a friendly city though. You can just walk up to about anyone and start talking to them and end up in a conversation.

E.g.
There's a traffic guard at the construction zone entrance on my way into work who dances around with a big smile and greets everyone as she directs pedestrians and traffic. She's only been there since the semester started a few weeks ago. Her name is Danielle (sp?). I know because I've slowed down enough to thank her and to tell her that her positive energy is kinda an awesome way to start my work day. I asked her name at that time and now we greet each other properly in the morning. She's just a lady doing her job, but I know her name and she knows mine.

[OngBonga]

LOL what is it with white people jumping at every opportunity to say the N-word? Is it like cool to say it or what? Does it make you edgy, using it in examples? Like oooo

Every ooportunity? I have over 17k posts here, I would say the n-bomb is in perhaps ten of them.

No, I said she was drawn like DK, you said that's because she looks like DK. There's a big difference in these statements. Would you agree?

Sure there's a difference. But I was using your language. You looked at an image of Serena and thought "fucking Donkey Kong", not me.

[MadMojoMonkey]

LOL what is it with white people jumping at every opportunity to say the N-word?

Aww.
C'mon, man.

Sheesh.

[OngBonga]

That bit of racism slipped by me.

[Poopadoop]

If a Jew gets on all fours and scuttles around on the floor, he's going to look like a rat.

No, he's going to look like a person scuttling around on the floor.

If you make a cartoon out of his features, then yes.

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