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 Originally Posted by CoccoBill
No one afaik claims that Finland has "the best educated, most prepared college aged population".
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Seriously. Did you really just say that? Are you that bad at reading, or did you just go to a Finnish school?
How can a school system be "the best", if its output is inferior? How can other non-best schools be producing better educated and more prepared college aged people than the actual "best" school system?
Imagine you gathered all of the *best* appliance engineers in the world. And you set them to the task of building the world's best oven. And they spent 600 hours a year working on the oven, and another 400 hours just thinking about new shit to try. And in the end they produced a very sleek, durable, unit, with lots of options at a price affordable for consumers. Let's even say you integrated some kind of new smart-home technology that wasn't available on any other oven, but widely demanded by the marketplace. You would have "the best oven", wouldn't you?
But, oh by the way, the thing only heats to 150 degrees F. So it's good for warming leftover pizza, and not much else.
You could say this is the "best looking oven". YOu could say it was built by "the best oven engineers". You could say it heats the fastest, has the most gadgets, etc etc etc. But you can not call it the "best oven".
The university rankings you keep quoting for some reason are based on things like student/teacher ratio, international student ratio,
So just stop with the fucking chest pounding Finland! Just admit that things are good over there because it's a jillion % easier to educate 5 million people all speaking one language, than it is to educate 350 million people speaking 350 different languages. You have a small country Finland, and no one wants to move there. The people that are there, all want to kill themselves. Maybe kids pay so much attention in school because learning gives them hope of someday moving out of that socialist shithole.
No such thing.
Nothing to do with student performance, and how could they be since there are no standardized tests. The standardized international tests that do exist, such as PISA, generally always rank Finnish students near the very top
Bring 11 million undocumented immigrants into your country and let their kids go to your schools. Let's see what that does to your PISA scores Finland.
You might also want to familiarize yourself with the concept of average. When people say (e.g.) that Finland's educational system is one of the best in the world, they don't mean that one of Finland's schools is like zomg so good bro. They mean the whole system, including all schools and universities, perform at the top level,
Where are you getting this "top level" shit? I thought all the schools were at the same level. That was one of the things in the top 10 video. There is no such thing as a "top" school in Finland. There are just schools.
And FYI, that's NOT a good thing.
the students perform well in standardized tests,
I thought there weren't any?
the students are provided financial security so they can concentrate on their studies and things like that.
Oh for christ's sake. What is this snowflake nonsense? Are you claiming that American students perform worse because of financial stress? As I've stated many times now, you can get a college education in America for dirt cheap if you want to. The student debt problem we have right now was borne out of spoiled kids desire to have the residential college experience. no one chose to take night courses at community college when Uncle Sam was offering 1.2% deferred interest and no payments for years. So some kids made bad decisions and suffered consequences. That's actually how it's supposed to work you know. If the consequences are being avoided in Finland because the government has removed individual's ability to make decisions...that's really really really fucking bad dude. That road leads to a terrible place.
The US for example admittedly has a number of the top universities in the world, but they also have many that wouldn't rank well in Africa.
So? And I'm seriously asking you here. I'm genuinely seeking your response to this question: So?
That's how it's supposed to work. That's what a marketplace does, it sorts things into hierarchies. That's completely fine as long as it doesn't break tyrannical, which it hasn't.
Look, no one in the world cares what your opinion is
I haven't stated an opinion. Finland sucks. <--FACT
go ahead and dislike the system as communist and evil as much as you like.
I don't like evil things. Sorry, that's just how I am. Question is, why do you like it so much?
The problem just is that when you keep spewing bs in public, someone might call you out on it.
I'm glad you tried
Happy 4th of July mutha fuckah
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