Trump Is Reality TV, Mueller Is The Wire

[Poopadoop]

gun control - seems to me that he's trying to compromise in an effort to actually get things done. He wants stronger background checks. He wants armed protection at schools. He wants mentally ill people and cirminals to not be allowed guns. He wants consistency when it comes to age. He also wants to protect the 2nd Amendment for law abiding, sane citizens. Seems coherent to me.

You don't get to apply the constitution as you see fit. The 2nd amendment and due process also apply to crazy people - just ask banana I'm sure he knows all about it.

foreign trade - I thought he was very coherent on this matter, I don't need to research. "America first" is his catchphrase, what that means in the real world is a question for economists, but I believe Toyota are opening a factory in Alabama, thanks to Trump. So on the surface it looks to me like he's trying, and succeeding, in bringing jobs to America.

You can only really describe it in the same limited number of words he does. "America first." and "Jobs." I guess now we can add 'impulsive and pissy pants trade war with the entire world over steel, against the advice of his econ advisor who is probably going to join the ranks of ex-advisors soon since his boss doesn't even consult him over major policy decisions'

abortion - pro life. Show me incoherence on this matter.

The issue is a bit more complicated than pro life/pro choice (though that's a big part of it). I guess the subtle nuances of the issue aren't something Trump is interested in exploring.

[BananaStand]

The 2nd amendment and due process also apply to crazy people - just ask banana I'm sure he knows all about it.

Incorrect. If you have been adjudicated as mentally unstable, through due process, then the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to you anymore.

You can only really describe it in the same limited number of words he does. "America first." and "Jobs." I guess now we can add 'impulsive and pissy pants trade war with the entire world over steel, against the advice of his econ advisor who is probably going to join the ranks of ex-advisors soon since his boss doesn't even consult him over major policy decisions'

LOL, Trump has been screaming about steel tarriffs since the 80's!! It was a pillar of his campaign. People voted for it. Trump is trading short term price consequences for long-term job security. It's also a kick in the balls to China...which was long overdue.

Plus, he's shown that he's very open to dropping the tariffs entirely if America can get a fair deal in the NAFTA negotiations. Funny how those just finished their 8th or 9th round of talks with very little progress, right around the same time Trump rolls out the steel tariffs.

That's balls-out negotiation, not the wimpy pussy-footing of his predecessors.

The issue is a bit more complicated than pro life/pro choice (though that's a big part of it). I guess the subtle nuances of the issue aren't something Trump is interested in exploring.

True.

[Poopadoop]

Incorrect. If you have been adjudicated as mentally unstable, through due process, then the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to you anymore.

You just contradicted yourself. I said '2nd amend. AND due process' and you're like 'duh, no they have due process then they lose the 2nd amendment'. Good job there Karl Popper.

LOL, Trump has been screaming about steel tarriffs since the 80's!! It was a pillar of his campaign. People voted for it. Trump is trading short term price consequences for long-term job security. It's also a kick in the balls to China...which was long overdue.

Plus, he's shown that he's very open to dropping the tariffs entirely if America can get a fair deal in the NAFTA negotiations. Funny how those just finished their 8th or 9th round of talks with very little progress, right around the same time Trump rolls out the steel tariffs.

That's balls-out negotiation, not the wimpy pussy-footing of his predecessors.

Yeah that's his thing for sure, let's see how it plays out.

[BananaStand]

You just contradicted yourself. I said '2nd amend. AND due process' and you're like 'duh, no they have due process then they lose the 2nd amendment'.

LOL, you feel good about that post? Proud of yourself right now?

[Poopadoop]

LOL, you feel good about that post? Proud of yourself right now?

The point of repeatedly exposing your lack of logic is to try to educate you on proper argumentation. Currently, whenever you're unable to counter the argument, your style is to either distort it into something you can counter, or attack the messenger.

[BananaStand]

The point of repeatedly exposing your lack of logic is to try to educate you on proper argumentation. Currently, whenever you're unable to counter the argument, your style is to either distort it into something you can counter, or attack the messenger.

You said that the 2nd amendment applies to crazy people. I'm not sure what you're missing....if you're crazy, you don't have 2nd amendment rights.

[Poopadoop]

You said that the 2nd amendment applies to crazy people. I'm not sure what you're missing....if you're crazy, you don't have 2nd amendment rights.

here's what i actually said:

The 2nd amendment and due process also apply to crazy people

So, until you go through due process of being adjudicated as insane, you have both the 2nd amendment right and the right to due process. So yes, crazy people still a constitutional 2nd amendment right until someone determines they are insane through due process, at which point they lose their 2nd amendment right. Otherwise you could just call anyone crazy and take away their guns.

Maybe it would be better to explain that in a manner that you would find more coherent, like 'constitution - first prove crazy, then take guns', and 'Trump - first take guns, then prove crazy'. See the difference?