Trump Is Reality TV, Mueller Is The Wire

[Poopadoop]

Incorrect. If you have been adjudicated as mentally unstable, through due process, then the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to you anymore.

You just contradicted yourself. I said '2nd amend. AND due process' and you're like 'duh, no they have due process then they lose the 2nd amendment'. Good job there Karl Popper.

LOL, Trump has been screaming about steel tarriffs since the 80's!! It was a pillar of his campaign. People voted for it. Trump is trading short term price consequences for long-term job security. It's also a kick in the balls to China...which was long overdue.

Plus, he's shown that he's very open to dropping the tariffs entirely if America can get a fair deal in the NAFTA negotiations. Funny how those just finished their 8th or 9th round of talks with very little progress, right around the same time Trump rolls out the steel tariffs.

That's balls-out negotiation, not the wimpy pussy-footing of his predecessors.

Yeah that's his thing for sure, let's see how it plays out.

[BananaStand]

You just contradicted yourself. I said '2nd amend. AND due process' and you're like 'duh, no they have due process then they lose the 2nd amendment'.

LOL, you feel good about that post? Proud of yourself right now?

[Poopadoop]

LOL, you feel good about that post? Proud of yourself right now?

The point of repeatedly exposing your lack of logic is to try to educate you on proper argumentation. Currently, whenever you're unable to counter the argument, your style is to either distort it into something you can counter, or attack the messenger.

[BananaStand]

The point of repeatedly exposing your lack of logic is to try to educate you on proper argumentation. Currently, whenever you're unable to counter the argument, your style is to either distort it into something you can counter, or attack the messenger.

You said that the 2nd amendment applies to crazy people. I'm not sure what you're missing....if you're crazy, you don't have 2nd amendment rights.

[Poopadoop]

You said that the 2nd amendment applies to crazy people. I'm not sure what you're missing....if you're crazy, you don't have 2nd amendment rights.

here's what i actually said:

The 2nd amendment and due process also apply to crazy people

So, until you go through due process of being adjudicated as insane, you have both the 2nd amendment right and the right to due process. So yes, crazy people still a constitutional 2nd amendment right until someone determines they are insane through due process, at which point they lose their 2nd amendment right. Otherwise you could just call anyone crazy and take away their guns.

Maybe it would be better to explain that in a manner that you would find more coherent, like 'constitution - first prove crazy, then take guns', and 'Trump - first take guns, then prove crazy'. See the difference?

[BananaStand]

So, until you go through due process of being adjudicated as insane, you have both the 2nd amendment right and the right to due process. So yes, crazy people still a constitutional 2nd amendment right until someone determines they are insane through due process, at which point they lose their 2nd amendment right. Otherwise you could just call anyone crazy and take away their guns.

Perhaps you don't understand my objection. I'm taking issue with your using of the descriptive label "crazy" to describe someone who has not been adjudicated as such. I realize that there are probably people out there with cracked thinking that the government doesn't know about yet (I think you might be one of them). However, they don't count as "crazy" under the law.

Going back to your original statement, which was in response to Ong's description of Trump's gun policy.....nothing Ong said was unconstitutional or was an example of selective application of the 2nd amendment.

Maybe it would be better to explain that in a manner that you would find more coherent, like 'constitution - first prove crazy, then take guns', and 'Trump - first take guns, then prove crazy'. See the difference?

I do see the difference. If you turned off your auto-argue switch and bothered to read anything I've posted, you'd know this concerns me as well. However, I would be more concerned if...

A) I had Tucker Carlson's job and I was paid to be concerned
B) I thought Trump was actually serious
C) I thought for a second that congress would ever actually do this

[Poopadoop]

If you turned off your auto-argue switch

Pot. Kettle. Black.

You're the one who started this argument ffs.