On Charlie Rose.
Watching these, it's striking the amount of gaslighting that has gone on since. He used to be adored, was considered one of the most brilliant businessmen of all time by nearly every "important" person (and casual). But like Floyd Mayweather said, that changed the moment he was branded politically, more specifically that changed the moment he went against the wishes of the media elite that try to control what people think about what they see and hear.