Trump Is Reality TV, Mueller Is The Wire

[CoccoBill]

I'm only gonna do this one more time. You've gone off the rails to the point where you're either being deliberately stubborn, or monumentally stupid. Either way, continuing to argue with you will be fruitless.

Read again my original post. My point was all along to point out Trump supporters are more invested in their beliefs. If they turn out to be wrong, they may have voted for a bigoted corrupt charlatan. If Trump's opposers turn out to be wrong, they have to face the humiliation of being wrong but things are actually ok. See the difference? The fact that for several hundred lines now you've been trying to switch this into just me being biased and not seeing the greatness of his ways are to me proof of my point.

The value of his real-estate portfolio is not sketchy, anecdotal, or hearsay. His title, President of the United States, is not sketchy, anecdotal, or hearsay. So I really don't know how you can be undecided regarding Trump's level of success, or his political talents.

Again, this isn't about my level of decidedness, it's about yours. So what is the value of his real-estate portfolio and how much debt does he and the companies have? Surely you know the exact numbers since you're so convinced.

Speculate for me then....why was the crowd so enthusiastic? When Trump was running campaign rallies, this particular crowd rejected him. CPAC is the base of the republican base. It's the people that wanna suck Mitt Romney's jock strap. They've rejected Trump's campaign rally rhetoric. So logically....that should tell you that the content of this speech is alot more substantial than campaign rally rhetoric.

Nice but sadly unsuccessful attempt to again divert the conversation. You were asked which parts in it showed signs of intelligence, though I already decided to drop this issue, since we clearly differ on the definition of intelligence.

False. In fact the opposite is true. Trump is pretty much an experiment. He's unique in significant ways. If it doesn't work out, conservatives can just go back to their Jeb Bush-types and hold their own. On the other hand, democrats have bet everything on Trump being a failure. They are counting on resignation or impeachment. They lost this election because they had no message. That hasn't changed. The only message they seem to have is "Trump is a _______-ist"

Why are you switching the context to being about republican and democrat politicians, when we were talking about voters? You would not be trying to deliberately divert the topic, would you?

I am completely open to budging an inch. Possibly even a foot. Or a mile. I've presented the reasons that support my current position. If I am to budge, then I need to something more compelling than what I already have. Convince me? You haven't even attempted to debate any of these issues. You just want to ridicule me for having confidence in the authenticity of my perceptions.

You may be, it just doesn't look like that to me. And no I haven't tried to debate on the issues other than point out places where your supposed titanium alloy evidences have been less than airtight. It truly hasn't been about ridicule though, sorry if it has seemed that way. At least on a conscious level I've been doing this bona fide.

if it's not echo-chamber talk, then what else could it be? Your opinions ignore known truths. Furthermore, your description of my "pathos" is entirely erroneous. Supreme leader??? I'm not delusional. If you want to ridicule Trump....fine. Jokes are funny, as long as their jokes. But you're not joking. You really believe it's possible that the man is stupid, broke, and likely a traitor. The basis of your political thought process....is a joke.

Yes, this is where our opinions differ. I don't have a deep emotional or economic investment in Trump, so I can perhaps more freely entertain all possible options, not only the ones that cement my beliefs. You refuse to think it's possible he could have gotten this far by accident, fluke or questionable means, I get that. Meanwhile, for an outside observer, his continuous gaffes, the accusations of meddling and obstruction, the language he uses, the accusations of pretty much everyone round him calling him an idiot and on and on, while not being damning and convincing evidence, should at least make one wonder what the real deal is. If the only thought entering someone's mind in face of all that is that they are all 100% fake news, my diagnosis is a mild case of delusional LALALALAICANTHEARYOU and I'd prescribe one pill of healthy skepticism twice a day.

Your math is completely wrong. I did the math for Boost a while back. If you started with 200 million, earned 10% per year, and only paid capital gains taxes, you would have about 4 point something billion after 40 years. You've calculated double that number in 36 years. Not possible.

The S&P 500 didn't make 10%. And Trump probably paid some non-zero amount of business profits and personal income tax (much higher rate than capital gains). Oh, and I'm also pretty sure that Trump spent some money over the last 40 years. Fast food isn't free.

So ignore Trump for a minute and ask an objective 3rd party. Ask two even. Forbes or Bloomberg both estimate Trump's net worth around 4 billion. To reach that number, with a $200 million head start, you have to far exceed the market. And you have to do it consistently, over the long term. How can an ignoramus do that?

I think you may have forgotten to adjust for inflation.

https://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963...ump-index-fund
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...trump-s-wealth

Who says it's unquestioning?? Trump says he's rich. I checked and it turns out that other, independent firms who specialize in estimate the wealth of private businessmen agree that Trump is filthy fucking rich.

Did these independent firms also estimate his debts? There is no doubt his name is on some pretty expensive buildings on prime estate, but how much does he actually own them, how much are they leveraged, what is his net worth? We don't know do we. Bloomberg seems to estimate it's close to $3bn, which certainly isn't bad if true. Personally I'm not as convinced though that I'd base my whole world view on that.

Easily the most ignorant thing you've said in this thread. And that's saying something.

Wow, thanks! If my most ignorant view has been that running a political campaign bares little resemblance to an aptitude test or an exam, I feel I'm doing pretty well.

I know, for a fact, he owns billions of dollars of tangible assets. He's really not worried where his next steak is coming from.

See but you don't know whether his debts exceed his holdings. You do realize it's possible to own something and still be up to your eyes in debt?

It's just occurred to me that you live in a place where its entirely possible that you've never interacted with a highly successful capitalist.

Oh an ad hominem? How would that fact, even if true, change anything about what we are talking about? What would those interactions be and what's the definition of a highly successful capitalist?

Trump became president for the same reason all 44 of his predecessors did. Personal ambition and patriotism.

And what has his personal ambitions for the past decades been?

Fuck this game. You don't get to play with the definition of words.

It isn't your privilege alone, deal with it.

Racist implies hatred and animus.

This is how long it took for you to start changing definitions again.

Oxford dictionary: A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Cambrisge dictionary: someone who believes that other races are not as good as their own and therefore treats them unfairly
Merriam-Webster: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
Wikipedia: the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity

None of the definitions require hatred or animus.

Not "grumpy grandpa" stuff. That's why being labeled a racist is one of the worst things that can happen to a politician or celebrity. Weaponizing that is wrong wrong wrong.

Fuck this game. You don't get to play with the definition of words.

When those protesters carry signs demanding the removal of a politician for racist ideology, they're not being honest. They're not outraged about "grumpy grandpa" stuff. But Trump isn't guilty of anything worse. So what's with the signs??

How is it that you always know what everyone is thinking.