*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[wufwugy]

On Trump being a jerk to Native Americans by calling Warren Pocahontas at inappropriate times, GOOD! That's how he persuaded many Warren supporters who didn't give a flying fuck about her falsehoods to actually start calling her out on it.

On the approval polls, I recall how we discussed how the Trump polls in 2016 were way off. Why are these Trump polls different?

[Poopadoop]

On the approval polls, remember how the 2016 polls were way off and I was explaining why they were way off at the time? Do I need to do that again?

Those polls weren't 'way off', they were a few points off, as in the typical margin of error for any poll. Do I need to explain that again?

The approval polls would have to be 14% off for the same thing to happen if there were an election today, which is very very unlikely. That of course assumes 'approval' equates to 'would vote for if given a choice between him and D candidate x', which is not necessarily the case.

[Poopadoop]

On Trump being a jerk to Native Americans by calling Warren Pocahontas at inappropriate times, GOOD!

Her status as some or other percentage of Cherokee is a separate issue. My understanding is it's something her family told her and she believed it. Don't think there's anything amoral about that.

OTOH, I agree she seems to have milked it for whatever political gain it may have given her, and that isn't really proper.

But calling her by a NA name is an inappropriate way to raise that issue. Better would be to just point out that she's done it. It's like if someone who appeared black but with some vague white roots called themselves white and so a black person called them "Susan B. Anthony" or something. If it's not offensive to whites at the very least it's cringeworthy.

[wufwugy]

But calling her by a NA name is an inappropriate way to raise that issue. Better would be to just point out that she's done it. It's like if someone who appeared black but with some vague white roots called themselves white and so a black person called them "Susan B. Anthony" or something. If it's not offensive to whites at the very least it's cringeworthy.

If that method was effective I would completely agree with you. Republicans tried very hard to get people to care about her claims to no effect. Enter Trump and being a total jerk. That got people to care.

[Poopadoop]

If that method was effective I would completely agree with you. Republicans tried very hard to get people to care about her claims to no effect. Enter Trump and being a total jerk. That got people to care.

If that's true, then it becomes a question of whether the ends justify the means. Politically speaking, the value of making this an issue must be weighed against how it makes the person using such a tactic appear.

[wufwugy]

If that's true, then it becomes a question of whether the ends justify the means. Politically speaking, the value of making this an issue must be weighed against how it makes the person using such a tactic appear.

Certainly. Trump does bear a cost for doing it this way.

Honestly I think it is a bigger cost than he thought it would be. For example, after the primaries there were whispers in Christian conservative circles that the Trump camp was surprised at how impossible it was for him to get Christian conservative support. His camp thought Christian conservatives would rally around him since they always do that when against a Democrat. What they didn't properly adjust for was that Trump personal style upset so many Christian conservatives emotionally that they rationalized ways that they thought him being President would be even worse than one of their most despised people ever (Clinton). It's kinda crazy honestly. I saw this with some people I know personally, and I see it regularly when I got to Christian conservative sites. Some of them, man, they've gotten to the point that they would support blowing up the Sun if Trump was against it.

[Poopadoop]

As a matter of fact, the 2016 polls were hardly off at all. If you take the last dozen samples from here that included all four candidates, Clinton's average lead was 2.4%. She won the popular vote by 2.1%. Not exactly a big difference there.

Edit: helps if i post the link I'm referring to

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...lls/president/