Bigred's Video Game Thread

[Jack Sawyer]

@Jack
As much as you are being sensible, your argument is paper thin.
"Other people feel as entitled as I do." is not a call to justice. "They lied to me." is not an indictment of criminal activity.

It's not just that they lied to mey, but it's that they lied to me, and the motivator can be directly seen as trying to get me to pay more into their shtick

You have made the point that there was deception, but not put in in any appropriate context.
You've put your foot down that you don't support the deceivers, fine. What is your argument that your decision should be a mandate on anyone else's behavior?
Frankly, I don't think I can get through an hour without deceiving either myself or someone else, so I cannot stand beside your unnuanced position on deception.

I vote with my wallet. I assume you do the same. If you like being lied to just to get you to pay more into something, go ahead. I will never support such underhanded business practices; enough that they got caught red-handed so that they had to issue an apology.

There are many many games on the market. This one example marks one of the first times that a AAA game has outright lied to its customer base. And the one thing they lied about ties directly to their monetization strategy of that particular game. It's as clear cut as can be.

Your argument is that people were hurt by this deception, but you haven't really defined what you mean by "hurt."
Clearly no one was physically injured, so let's make sure we're talking about the same thing when before anything else.

The actual word, "hurt", came from Banana's posts. I never used that word. Mine was fleeced, as in "getting fleeced", which dictionary.com says is "to deprive of money or belongings by fraud, hoax, or the like; swindle". And that is exactly what they did.

Because it's all a ruse in order to get you to buy stuff ingame in a game you already bought. It is larger than Destiny.

You play something. You get progression points. These progression points can be used to buy shit ingame. The game tells you you get a particular amount of progression points, or XP points or whatever. I assume you are grinding to buy your lootboxes, as that is the one thing one can do with XP. Of course you can buy these with real money too

Don't get me started on lootboxes

Now, the game systematically slows down your xp gain but doesn't tell you it's doing so. So you keep on grinding thinking you got X amount of XP, as that's what the game is telling you you got, and yet you got 0.1X. WTF. That is complete and total bullshit.

Again, why the lies?

I don't think "impacted" and "affected" are the same. These deceptions affected the gamers, but did they impact those gamer's lives outside of the game? If so, why is that not the individual's responsibility to adult better? If they're kids, why is it not their parents responsibility to adult them better?

Are you sure you are not confusing the lootbox argument I have with the Destiny 2 XP system? It's not the same, but they are related.

You're calling for legislation, but you completely dodged the part about "Did you file anything with the BBB on this issue?"

Yes the legislation is for the lootbox situation which has completely gotten out of hand.

Stories like this are becoming far too common Now

If you have, that's a totally different argument than what you're putting forward. If you've already taken political action, then your call for others to take political action has much more weight. You see that, right?

As I said above, are you not confusing the two viewpoints? One is the lootbox thing, which should not be in games aimed at teens, as you know gambling is for adults, and the other is this Destiny XP thing which I am completely and totally unaffected by personally as I have not and will not buy that particular game. Does not take away from the fact that it's completely shitty behaviour which I will not support