*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

So? It's not like it's hard to find someone spewing drivel on the internet. Don't see what that has to do with Trump being a racist, unless you argument is that's not as bad as being a hysterical SJW

Hysterical SJWs are the most prejudiced people in the public realm today. Apparently I should feel bad because I'm a white hetrosexual male, and have no problem with being such. Anyone who says it's not ok to be white is racist.

But if you want a more concrete example, then there's Trump referring to the hispanic beauty contest winner as 'Ms. Housekeeping'.

Really? That's the best you can do? Is this on the same level as being told that being white is not ok?

From what I can gather, he was being sexist, not racist. And Mrs Clinton chimed in by saying he was being disrespectful to women. This coming from a woman who tried to silence women who made accusations against her husband.

Trump is very much outspoken. That is not the same as holding racist views, such as "it's not ok to be a certain colour".

[Poopadoop]

Hysterical SJWs are the most prejudiced people in the public realm today. Apparently I should feel bad because I'm a white hetrosexual male, and have no problem with being such. Anyone who says it's not ok to be white is racist.

They are not only a big part of the problem today, but even worse they don't realise they are part of the problem, but think they are part of the solution.

Really? That's the best you can do? Is this on the same level as being told that being white is not ok?

No, it's just an example. There's plenty of others. Is the fact that he isn't shaving his head and shouting 'white power' mean to you he isn't racist, or just not a bad enough racist that we should be bothered by it?

Is this on the same level as being told that being white is not ok?

Pretty much. It's implying that being a hispanic womans means your role in American society is to clean up after others. If a politician here referred to an Indian gentleman as "Mr. Petrol Station", would you be ok with that too?

And would you appreciate this kind of characterisation if it were applied to white people, and by extension, to you? Obviously not, since you're clearly bothered by SJWs giving you shit for being white male hetero.

From what I can gather, he was being sexist, not racist.

Seems like a combination of both to me.

And Mrs Clinton chimed in by saying he was being disrespectful to women. This coming from a woman who tried to silence women who made accusations against her husband.

ya well I don't set my moral compass to HRC, so what she says or does isn't relevant here. The argument is about Trump, not anyone else.

Trump is very much outspoken. That is not the same as holding racist views, such as "it's not ok to be a certain colour".

Again, saying he's not as bad as a hysterical SJW is a weak argument. He should judged on his own behavior, not others'.

Also, if he were a bit more outspoken about being in favour of equality and fair treatment for everyone it would be better than a lot of the shit he spews. Just sayin'.

[Poopadoop]

If a politician here referred to an Indian gentleman as "Mr. Petrol Station"...

This example shows why referring to that woman as Ms. Housekeeping is more racist than sexist. Petrol station attendants in the UK (or at least the part where I live) are predominantly male Indian. If a white female politician made this comment the overwhelming feeling would be it's a racist comment; hardly anyone would say it's a sexist one.

You can counter with some argument that its not actually racist but relates to ethnicity independent of race, because Indian and hispanic aren't technically races, but whatever. It's obnoxious and offensive either way.

My experience is that people who are willing to make these kinds of comments in public aren't paragons of tolerance in private either.

[BananaStand]

Also, if he were a bit more outspoken about being in favour of equality and fair treatment for everyone it would be better than a lot of the shit he spews. Just sayin'.

Maybe he is and you just don't know it.

When you see Trump on the news, most times, you're only seeing a tiny fraction of a much longer dialogue.

You do realize that there is another party (usually with a liberal agenda) deciding which fractions of the dialogue you see, and which you don't. Right?

[Poopadoop]

You do realize that there is another party (usually with a liberal agenda) deciding which fractions of the dialogue you see, and which you don't. Right?

Well he's been interviewed by Fox news about 20 times now, so most of those interviews I assume aren't being edited with a liberal bias. Lou Dobbs basically sucked his cock for an hour.

[BananaStand]

Well he's been interviewed by Fox news about 20 times now, so most of those interviews I assume aren't being edited with a liberal bias. Lou Dobbs basically sucked his cock for an hour.

And specifically, what did he say to Fox that has been construed as racist?

[Poopadoop]

And specifically, what did he say to Fox that has been construed as racist?

Well when you're thrown a series of softballs and have your own balls sucked for an hour, how can you go wrong?

So unless Trump blurted out 'fuck the xxx' and I missed it, the issue never came up.

OTOH when someone actually asks him a tough question like 'why don't you disavow the KKK and Nazis and David Duke', he doesn't exactly shine.

[wufwugy]

From what I can gather, he was being sexist, not racist.

It's almost like there is no rigor when it comes to accusing Trump of something.

[OngBonga]

It's almost like there is no rigor when it comes to accusing Trump of something.

"Miss Househeeping" kind of assumes a stereotypical gender role for a not-so-bright woman. That's what I take from that comment. Clearly that has a tone of casual sexism. Not that I have a problem with it, so it's not really an "accusation", more an observation.

I don't really see how it relates to race. I suppose in USA Hispanic people are more likely to work as a housekeeper, so I can see an element of casual racism, but not nearly enough to cry about. Imagine if Winston Churchill were still alive today. He was savage when he insulted people. When accused of being drunk by a lady, he replies "You are ugly, but in the morning I'll be sober". And this guy is widely considered our greatest ever leader.

No, it's just an example. There's plenty of others. Is the fact that he isn't shaving his head and shouting 'white power' mean to you he isn't racist, or just not a bad enough racist that we should be bothered by it?

Plenty of other cases of marginal complaints that require one to be easily offended in order to take offence. Making such a comment in an attempt to insult a lady one holds in contempt is a million miles away from white power. This is why the charge of racism has become diluted. Actual racists who have views of superiority and people who say mean things are being clumped together. They are not the same kind of people.

Pretty much. It's implying that being a hispanic womans means your role in American society is to clean up after others. If a politician here referred to an Indian gentleman as "Mr. Petrol Station", would you be ok with that too?

I would consider it a little inappropriate, however it's a great deal better than calling him a Paki. And Prince Philip is a bugger for this... he's regularly saying mildly racist things that made most people scream "you can't say that". Is he an actual racist? I dunno, but I'm not going to say he is based on sloppy language and childlike humour.

Again, saying he's not as bad as a hysterical SJW is a weak argument. He should judged on his own behavior, not others'.

His behaviour is not as bad as screeching SJW's. I haven't seen Trump say that it's not ok to be any particular colour. All I've seen are Prince Philip style comments that really do not deserve the hysteria they attract.

Also, if he were a bit more outspoken about being in favour of equality and fair treatment for everyone it would be better than a lot of the shit he spews. Just sayin'.

Well yeah. Way to state the obvious. Also, if he did this and that instead of this and that he'd be better. Same can be said for every single person on the planet, including every leader on the planet. Why aren't you saying the same about May? Because she doesn't say stupid things that sensetive people consider to be outrageous? She's still an arse who couldn't give a fuck about equality and fair treatment. That's the nature of leaders, Trump is nothing special there.

Trump says stupid shit sometimes. I don't give a fuck, to be quite honest. I still think the world dodged a bullet by voting him in instead of Hillary, so I'm still cutting him some slack.

[Poopadoop]

"Miss Househeeping" kind of assumes a stereotypical gender role for a not-so-bright woman.

Then you've never been to America. It seems like almost every cleaning lady is hispanic, every porter or doorman is black. Not that it's any better here.

And if what you say is correct about not-so-bright, there's a racist overtone suggesting hispanics are dumb.

I don't really see how it relates to race. I suppose in USA Hispanic people are more likely to work as a housekeeper, so I can see an element of casual racism, but not nearly enough to cry about. Imagine if Winston Churchill were still alive today. He was savage when he insulted people. When accused of being drunk by a lady, he replies "You are ugly, but in the morning I'll be sober". And this guy is widely considered our greatest ever leader.

Different times, different values. And I'm pretty sure his status is based pretty much entirely on his ability to inspire people in troubled times and lead the country against an evil power; it's got nothing to do with the fact he insulted a woman's appearance, or strongly believed in Empire, or was a manic-depressive.

Plenty of other cases of marginal complaints that require one to be easily offended in order to take offence. Making such a comment in an attempt to insult a lady one holds in contempt is a million miles away from white power. This is why the charge of racism has become diluted. Actual racists who have views of superiority and people who say mean things are being clumped together. They are not the same kind of people.

I agree it's way down the rankings on offensiveness. But, the problem isn't that such comments are on an equal basis with shouting white power, the problem is they shouldn't be in one's repertoire at all, particularly if they want to stand at the head of a country.

I would consider it a little inappropriate, however it's a great deal better than calling him a Paki. And Prince Philip is a bugger for this... he's regularly saying mildly racist things that made most people scream "you can't say that". Is he an actual racist? I dunno, but I'm not going to say he is based on sloppy language and childlike humour.

Ya, but Prince Philip is about 130 years old. You might as well try to get your grandpa to stop saying racist things. Back in his day, being racist was the standard. He's also not in any real position of authority and so it's more like he's a symbol of a bygone age mixed in with a lack of self-control than he is a symbol of what our country is today.

[BananaStand]

Ya, but Prince Philip is about 130 years old. You might as well try to get your grandpa to stop saying racist things. Back in his day, being racist was the standard.

How old do you think Trump is?

Trump's parents lived most of their adult lives with all-white baseball, and it was considered FINE. Trump was already 2 years old before black people were allowed to be pro athletes. He was 17 before black people were allowed to drink from the same water fountain as white people. So if grown-up Trump hangs on to a few cantankerous habits, I wouldn't exactly call that a psychological anomaly.

Moreover, he became a massive success, generated unfathomable wealth, and successfully won a presidential campaign against the most "sure-bet" candidate I've seen in my lifetime. And he did all this WHILE he still had those habits. So what logical motivation would Trump have to change?

[Poopadoop]

How old do you think Trump is?

Trump's parents lived most of their adult lives with all-white baseball, and it was considered FINE. Trump was already 2 years old before black people were allowed to be pro athletes. He was 17 before black people were allowed to drink from the same water fountain as white people. So if grown-up Trump hangs on to a few cantankerous habits, I wouldn't exactly call that a psychological anomaly.

Moreover, he became a massive success, generated unfathomable wealth, and successfully won a presidential campaign against the most "sure-bet" candidate I've seen in my lifetime. And he did all this WHILE he still had those habits. So what logical motivation would Trump have to change?

You're right, if you live in a country where those kinds of things are acceptable to enough people that you can win an election then you have no motivation to change.

[wufwugy]

Trump's parents lived most of their adult lives with all-white baseball, and it was considered FINE. Trump was already 2 years old before black people were allowed to be pro athletes. He was 17 before black people were allowed to drink from the same water fountain as white people. So if grown-up Trump hangs on to a few cantankerous habits, I wouldn't exactly call that a psychological anomaly.

Sorry dude, this is a big argument loser, and Mademoiselle Poopadoop noticed.

If you think Trump harbors some racist or sexist sentiments, I'd recommend looking harder. The evidence that he harbors those sentiments is weak as shit and the evidence that he doesn't is very, very strong. But arguing that if he doesn't hold the sentiments, it's okay, is a big loser of an argument and makes us all look bad as well as it doesn't even correctly represent what his supporters actually think. It ISN'T that Trump supporters are okay with some small racism/sexism, but that Trump supporters LOATHE racism and sexism and truly believe Trump does too.

[BananaStand]

Sorry dude, this is a big argument loser, and Mademoiselle Poopadoop noticed.

If you think Trump harbors some racist or sexist sentiments, I'd recommend looking harder. The evidence that he harbors those sentiments is weak as shit and the evidence that he doesn't is very, very strong. But arguing that if he doesn't hold the sentiments, it's okay, is a big loser of an argument and makes us all look bad as well as it doesn't even correctly represent what his supporters actually think. It ISN'T that Trump supporters are okay with some small racism/sexism, but that Trump supporters LOATHE racism and sexism and truly believe Trump does too.

I think you meant "does" not "doesn't" on the bolded.

You've taken an extreme position wuf, and as such, it's pretty much indefensible.

No one is saying that "Trump is just kinda racist...so it's not a big deal"

What I am saying is that Trump, throughout his life, certainly learned some tendencies that in 2017 are considered offensive by some people/groups. Is it racism/sexism? Personally, I don't think so. Making jokes that incorporate stereotypes or cliches isn't what I consider racist. it's insensitive. It's possibly vulgar. But not racist/sexist.

Other people disagree.

These sentiments exist within Trump. Denying that, wuf, is positively silly. the question is whether or not they represent actual hatred towards an ethnicity, or represent a sincere belief in the inferiority/superiority of certain races. I don't see that. I see an old man, whose life experiences have accumulated both a vulgar sense of humor, and an attitude of "I know I'm not really racist, so I really don't give a fuck if your'e offended at some off-color jokes"

[Poopadoop]

Sorry dude, this is a big argument loser, and Mademoiselle Poopadoop noticed.

If you think Trump harbors some racist or sexist sentiments, I'd recommend looking harder. The evidence that he harbors those sentiments is weak as shit and the evidence that he doesn't is very, very strong. But arguing that if he doesn't hold the sentiments, it's okay, is a big loser of an argument and makes us all look bad as well as it doesn't even correctly represent what his supporters actually think. It ISN'T that Trump supporters are okay with some small racism/sexism, but that Trump supporters LOATHE racism and sexism and truly believe Trump does too.

Even Banana can see you're out on a limb here.

I'd like to see some of this 'very very strong' evidence that Trump holds equality among the races (or sexes for that matter) in high regard. And not just Hannity said so kind of evidence, but actually something tangible he's said or done. And by 'tangible' I don't mean hiring a jewish person to do his taxes or tipping a black waiter.