Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
Isn't this market forces deciding?
Not really,. Not if those market forces have been tainted by criminal activity. Jose's employer has unfair leverage over him, that depresses his wage artificially. As I said, I prefer to combat the forces that create unfairness in the market place (ie. Illegal Immigration), and then leave the rest up to the market.

Quote Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer View Post
If you can find a person who is willing to do a job for $2 and can do so, say some low skill stuff like cleaning floors, but also higher skill stuff like implementing a database (outsource to India), they will employ the lower cost person always. What's there to stop them?
The question is....why is that person willing to do the job for $2. If it's because they are illegal, underage, in a protected class, or disabled, then there are other remedies for those problems. Employing illegal and underage workers is a crime. As is discriminating against the disabled or other protected classes.

Or, if a person is just desperate and willing to work for cheap, then that is a symptom of a labor market that has become too competitive. In other words, unemployment is high. That's indicative of much larger economic problems that won't be solved through a minimum wage.

In a healthy economy, it's an employee's market. Employers compete for talent, and that keeps wages up.

Again, I realize that the minimum wage sort of works. And ending a minimum wage is not a crusade I'm particularly passionate about. Most part-time entry level jobs that I see advertised in my area already pay well over the federal minimum wage, so it's really a moot policy.

I could sort of get behind the idea of a minimum wage on the state/municipal level. If workers in those particular communities want to exercise the democratic process and implement a minimum wage...I guess I'm ok with it. however, I do see the potential for perversion as some highly liberal municipalities have already chosen to drastically jack up the minimum wage.

Like I said, pay attention to Portland, OR. It will be interesting to see how simple things, like the price of a pizza, will be affected as they implement a significant hike to the minimum wage over the next few years.