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[BananaStand]

Why do people keep pointing out shit in Sweden, and then when you start looking for what the shit in Sweden is all about, you cannot find any actual, factual evidence

Crime is up. It's not just because of changes in how they score rape. If that were the case, someone would be doing the math and saying, that the 7000 rapes per year in Sweden would only be X number of rapes under the old rules. And X is the same as it's always been, or consistent with other countries. No one has done that accounting. Or if they have done it, they aren't publishing the results.

Part of the problem is that Sweden doesn't maintain crime statistics that delineate ethnicity or immigration status, the way we do in America. That makes it impossible to verify the anecdotal claims that the increase in violent crime is tied to increased immigration.

But to say that there is nothing unusual going on in Sweden is really ostrich-y.

I mean, crime statistics are way up, in a country that supposedly treats its poor so well. That doesn't add up. There's also more than a few folks suggesting that there are efforts to cover up some crimes for political reasons.

It's probably not as bad as some people seem to believe. But I doubt it's all gumdrops and rainbows over there.

What I find absolutely HILARIOUS is how many many many of the folks who denounce the claims about Swedish crime on the basis that there is no factual evidence, are the very same folks who have already convicted Trump of being in bed with the Russians, with absolutely no factual evidence to support it.

[CoccoBill]

Crime is up. It's not just because of changes in how they score rape. If that were the case, someone would be doing the math and saying, that the 7000 rapes per year in Sweden would only be X number of rapes under the old rules. And X is the same as it's always been, or consistent with other countries. No one has done that accounting. Or if they have done it, they aren't publishing the results.

Part of the problem is that Sweden doesn't maintain crime statistics that delineate ethnicity or immigration status, the way we do in America. That makes it impossible to verify the anecdotal claims that the increase in violent crime is tied to increased immigration.

But to say that there is nothing unusual going on in Sweden is really ostrich-y.

I mean, crime statistics are way up, in a country that supposedly treats its poor so well. That doesn't add up. There's also more than a few folks suggesting that there are efforts to cover up some crimes for political reasons.

It's probably not as bad as some people seem to believe. But I doubt it's all gumdrops and rainbows over there.

What I find absolutely HILARIOUS is how many many many of the folks who denounce the claims about Swedish crime on the basis that there is no factual evidence, are the very same folks who have already convicted Trump of being in bed with the Russians, with absolutely no factual evidence to support it.

What crime is up exactly?

	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015
Sex crimes total	1 038	985	1 055	1 090	1 324	1 398	1 217	1 167	1 139	1 161
Rape	197	203	245	227	187	152	151	164	172	151
Aggravated rape	30	14	17	26	17	16	20	14	23	25

Murder	106	108	114	119	109	95	98	122	111	123
Manslaughter	57	45	35	31	56	39	31	24	25	33

ALL CRIMES

119 686

125 156

134 488

141 577

138 136

136 331

130 134

116 657

109 926

106 750

"All conviction decisions by principal offence, year 2003-2013"

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Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention

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