**** Elections thread *****

[Poopadoop]

You don't just get to declare what's valid and what isn't.

Neither do you.

And a 'large number of votes' is a perfectly salient argument if the issue is a matter of opinion, already adjudicated through an election.

Winning the election allows him to be president until such time as he's not president. It doesn't give him the right to have a friendly press, a kool-aid drinking populace, or to be immune from criticism.

[BananaStand]

Neither do you.

I know, so I'm not doing that.

Winning the election allows him to be president until such time as he's not president. .

So then the press should let him be president. Engaging in a campaign to undermine and de-legitimize him is wrong.

It doesn't give him the right to have a friendly press,.

See, you're just not seeing the whole picture here. My criticism of the press isn't derived from Trump fan-boy-ism. I agree he has no right to a friendly press. What I want, as an American citizen is an ethical, fair, and impartial press. I'm not getting that. That's the problem.

a kool-aid drinking populace,.

The press doesn't have a right to that either.

or to be immune from criticism.

No one suggested he should be. But criticizing him for long-standing eccentricities is fake fucking news.

[Poopadoop]

What I want, as an American citizen is an ethical, fair, and impartial press. I'm not getting that. That's the problem.

I agree, the press is none of those things. But it's not like they were those things before and it's just recently that they've become flawed.

But criticizing him for long-standing eccentricities is fake fucking news.

If you think habitual lying (or if you prefer, ignorance/being misinformed) is an 'eccentricity' that the press should just accept like 'aw shucks, there he goes again', then your expectations aren't very realistic imo.

[BananaStand]

If you think habitual lying (or if you prefer, ignorance/being misinformed) is an 'eccentricity' that the press should just accept like 'aw shucks, there he goes again', then your expectations aren't very realistic imo.

You're putting words in my mouth a little bit. What I'm saying is that the press is perfectly capable of choosing its battles. By instead choosing to play "gotchya" they're not just hurting Trump, they're hurting America.

[Poopadoop]

You're putting words in my mouth a little bit. What I'm saying is that the press is perfectly capable of choosing its battles. By instead choosing to play "gotchya" they're not just hurting Trump, they're hurting America.

Pointing out a president's lies/ignorance is a perfectly valid thing for the press to do. 'Gotcha' would be an hour long expose on how he failed to pay a parking ticket in 1975.

You could argue that the press focuses on his lies/ignorance to a greater extent than is necessary, instead of focusing on policy issues, and I would agree with that. I also would agree that they are actively trying to make him look bad just as much as he's actively trying to make them look bad. And I also agree it's the people who lose out in the end.