The problem with Islam

[rong]

I think he most logical approach to this is to see religion for what it is, brainwashing from a young age. We all start out with an inquisitive mind that wants to understand everything around it and seeks truth. But instead of cultivating that curious truth seeking mind, we brainwash with fear of an imaginary all powerful being that sees all and punishes once it's all over, and we top that up with a bunch of weird rules and procedures and throw in a good measure of guilt for every natural desire we have.

If this was just one person with their own personal belief system amd this systen they had invented was either causing harm to themselves or others, we would send them to a psychologist amd possibly imprison them in some kind of home for the mentally ill.

Just because their particular brand of crazy included the odd feast where they seemed all friendly we wouldn't think it's perfectly fine.

It should be illegal to introduce any children to any be brand of religion imo amd it should be punishable by having said children removed from your care and given cbt or w/e to clear fix them.

Just because the crazy cult got big doesn't mean.we should suddenly respect it.

[wufwugy]

It should be illegal to introduce any children to any be brand of religion imo amd it should be punishable by having said children removed from your care and given cbt or w/e to clear fix them.

I think it's good enough to just hold various beliefs to civil standards. Making thought a crime is bad stuff, by that alone it is important that religion remain a right, but this doesn't mean that behaviors that don't adhere to civil standards based on religious beliefs should be accepted.

If you want to believe in an all powerful being or savior, that should be totally fine. But if you want to believe that this belief allows you to treat people unfairly, that should not be fine.

[rong]

I think it's good enough to just hold various beliefs to civil standards. Making thought a crime is bad stuff, by that alone it is important that religion remain a right, but this doesn't mean that behaviors that don't adhere to civil standards based on religious beliefs should be accepted.

If you want to believe in an all powerful being or savior, that should be totally fine. But if you want to believe that this belief allows you to treat people unfairly, that should not be fine.

Thought crime? Not what I said. Illegal to expose kids to which would stop it taking such a deep rooted hold (take you wuf with your thoughts turning to God on those sleepless nights) and only becoming a problem on adults when it starts effecting your day to day life. So effectively treating it like a thought disorder, like old or psychosis.

[wufwugy]

Thought crime? Not what I said. Illegal to expose kids to which would stop it taking such a deep rooted hold (take you wuf with your thoughts turning to God on those sleepless nights) and only becoming a problem on adults when it starts effecting your day to day life. So effectively treating it like a thought disorder, like old or psychosis.

You said it should be wrong to introduce a child to a particular idea. That's making thought a crime. Unless I missed something...

[rong]

You said it should be wrong to introduce a child to a particular idea. That's making thought a crime. Unless I missed something...

The crime is exposing the child to he idea. Not havong the idea. There's a difference.

[wufwugy]

The crime is exposing the child to he idea. Not havong the idea. There's a difference.

So then it's speech-of-thought crime.

I dunno, you redcoats never did get onto this whole free speech thing. It's good stuff. I suggest appropriation.

But really, if exposure of "bad" ideas is illegal, we'll find ourselves pretty quickly in the kind of society few of us wanna live in.

[rong]

So then it's speech-of-thought crime.

I dunno, you redcoats never did get onto this whole free speech thing. It's good stuff. I suggest appropriation.

But really, if exposure of "bad" ideas is illegal, we'll find ourselves pretty quickly in the kind of society few of us wanna live in.

I don't understand what the thought crime is? If you kept deliberately exposing your young children to something you knew was likely to lead to delusions and psychosis you'd probably be dealing with social.services before long.

[a500lbgorilla]

I think he most logical approach to this is to see religion for what it is, brainwashing from a young age. We all start out with an inquisitive mind that wants to understand everything around it and seeks truth. But instead of cultivating that curious truth seeking mind, we brainwash with fear of an imaginary all powerful being that sees all and punishes once it's all over, and we top that up with a bunch of weird rules and procedures and throw in a good measure of guilt for every natural desire we have.

If this was just one person with their own personal belief system amd this systen they had invented was either causing harm to themselves or others, we would send them to a psychologist amd possibly imprison them in some kind of home for the mentally ill.

Just because their particular brand of crazy included the odd feast where they seemed all friendly we wouldn't think it's perfectly fine.

It should be illegal to introduce any children to any be brand of religion imo amd it should be punishable by having said children removed from your care and given cbt or w/e to clear fix them.

Just because the crazy cult got big doesn't mean.we should suddenly respect it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Spiritual

Illegal by whose authority?

[Renton]

It should be illegal to introduce any children to any be brand of religion imo amd it should be punishable by having said children removed from your care and given cbt or w/e to clear fix them.

I hate religion as much as anyone here, but this is ridiculous. Not every social ill needs laws punishing it. In fact, the vast minority of them do, and its a huge problem with the modern world as we know it that legislatures are so frivolous with legislation.

[a500lbgorilla]

I hate religion as much as anyone here, but this is ridiculous. Not every social ill needs laws punishing it. In fact, the vast minority of them do, and its a huge problem with the modern world as we know it that legislatures are so frivolous with legislation.

So did I get that Bill O quizzer right?

[Renton]

So did I get that Bill O quizzer right?

I don't know what the right answer is. I think it's tough. I think Bill contributed significantly to the chance that Tiller would be killed, that much is obvious. But of course, the culpability completely lies with the murderer.

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't know what the right answer is. I think it's tough. I think Bill contributed significantly to the chance that Tiller would be killed, that much is obvious. But of course, the culpability completely lies with the murderer.

So the murders deserve the most blame because they fired the bullet. Bill O deserves less because he spoke the words to inspire them. Shadowy CEO deserves none because he had no part in any of the dirty details?

You and I have completely flipped views on the situation.

What about the Volkswagen emissions scandal recently? Who is to blame there? The engineers who built the cheats, their managers who forced and approved them, their CEOs who were trying to out-compete?