**** Elections thread *****

[spoonitnow]

Yes well it's not Islam. It's people who might call themselves Islamic, but they might also call themselves smokers. Does that make all smokers rapists?

For fuck's sake.

If you flooded a country with smokers and then then rape rate went up over 1500%, then it would be reasonable to kick all smokers out of the country. Would you kick out some of the innocent smokers? Sure. But they did nothing to keep the other smokers from raping countless women, so fuck them.

[OngBonga]

If you flooded a country with smokers and then then rape rate went up over 1500%, then it would be reasonable to kick all smokers out of the country. Would you kick out some of the innocent smokers? Sure. But they did nothing to keep the other smokers from raping countless women, so fuck them.

Ok so for the sake of exposing manipulative figures.

Let's assume there's a community of 1000 people, and there was one rape last year. The next year, 500 Gypsies set up camp, and one gypsy goes on to rape four local women before getting caught.

So we just had an increase of, what, 400% thanks to the actions of one bad egg from a community of 500.

The correct figure to work with is the % of the inlux of immigrants that are raping or otherwise causing serious problems, not the % increase in reported cases, because that number tells us nothing about if this is the repeated actions of a minority or not.

[JKDS]

If you flooded a country with smokers and then then rape rate went up over 1500%, then it would be reasonable to kick all smokers out of the country. Would you kick out some of the innocent smokers? Sure. But they did nothing to keep the other smokers from raping countless women, so fuck them.

No, it'd be completely unreasonable. First, two things happening doesn't mean one caused the other. But even if you could show this, denying a citizen the ability to live here is a huge deal. If we just decided to do something like this, we'd be eroding or eliminating so many of the fundamental principles that define us as a country and spitting on the graves of our ancestors.

Show me the statistic that says american muslims (or Syrian refugees) are so terrible. Last I checked, they account for a very small amount of deaths...something like 50 in the last 10 years. IIRC, that's with a sample of over 700,000 muslims.

We're also ignoring that muslims are productive members of our society and culture. That 1 bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch. We might as well kick all the blacks out to decrease poverty.

[wufwugy]

No, it'd be completely unreasonable.

Yep. It goes against two of the key principles of a free society, that guilt is not assumed and that people are responsible for their own actions.

That said, we've gone way over the top is not using or discrimination facilities. Profiling is a good thing. It's highly productive, it's a philosophy we use for everything else, and it doesn't violate civil liberties.

[spoonitnow]

No, it'd be completely unreasonable. First, two things happening doesn't mean one caused the other. But even if you could show this, denying a citizen the ability to live here is a huge deal. If we just decided to do something like this, we'd be eroding or eliminating so many of the fundamental principles that define us as a country and spitting on the graves of our ancestors.

Show me the statistic that says american muslims (or Syrian refugees) are so terrible. Last I checked, they account for a very small amount of deaths...something like 50 in the last 48 hours IIRC, that's with a sample of over 700,000 muslims.

We're also ignoring that muslims are productive members of our society and culture. That 1 bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch. We might as well kick all the blacks out to decrease poverty.

Yeah you're fucking welcome.