The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

[a500lbgorilla]

One day very soon the meta is gonna shift to everyone playing TWTBAW Day 1. Transwolf has changed the game.

JKDS tried by turtling, I tried by encryption, but gabe's got it with Transwolf.

[philly and the phanatics]

As someone who is

[philly and the phanatics]

Crap stupid phone, but as someone who is only half way through the Russia America game, I agree he was a lot more full of conviction day 1 in that game.

[Hoopy]

One day very soon the meta is gonna shift to everyone playing TWTBAW Day 1. Transwolf has changed the game.

JKDS tried by turtling, I tried by encryption, but gabe's got it with Transwolf.

Day 1 is going to be a mess if this happens.

[Hoopy]

This is my list of people who I'd consider voting today.

BankItDrew
gabe
JKDS
OngBonga
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

[Hoopy]

Crap stupid phone, but as someone who is only half way through the Russia America game, I agree he was a lot more full of conviction day 1 in that game.

Probably better to focus on just this game dude, I've always found rereading past games while playing a live one is too distracting.

[GatorJH]

Gabe and Rilla are sounding more like themselves right now so I won't be throwing my vote on them and I still no longer think JKDS is a wolf. Something about wuf is bugging me though so I am going to go with a lynch wuf and am off to play 18 holes of golf.

[lilrascal]

VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 382

JKDS - 3 (OngBonga [280], wufwugy [324], BankItDrew [341])
BooG690 - 2 (SuperMonkeyFace [266], gabe [344])
wufwugy - 2 (baudib [367], GatorJH [382])
gabe - 1 (BooG690 [150])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (MadMojoMonkey [299])
BankItDrew - 1 (JKDS [318])
OngBonga - 1 (a500lbgorilla [374])

Not Voting - 2 (Hoopy [0], philly and the phanatics [0])


7 is MAJ. D1 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 25 November, in just over 12 hours. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

Note: Numbers in brackets are the post number for the vote. Please let me know if I missed any votes so I can correct my spreadsheet.

[OngBonga]

rilla is either a wolf or is wrong.

I know which is more likely. We all know.

[OngBonga]

I think the jkds bandwagon has picked up rather quickly after a day of stagnant votes. Seems like there's more than likely a couple of wolves trying to push it through

This here rather heavily implies jkds is a villager.

[OngBonga]

I think rilla is probably a wolf too. I mean what's he done there? He's quoted a shit load of my posts where I use the word "kinda", like it's some sort of wolft tell with me, as opposed to language I just use all the time.

So anyone wanna go through last game ctrl/f seacrh for "kinda" in my posts? I can't be bothered, but I bet it's way ahead of my count so far this game.

[OngBonga]

I find it odd for rilla because it's so fucking weak. You said kinda fifteen times, you lack conviction, you're a wolf. Really? That's the best rilla has got this game?

Nah, not buying it.

lynch rilla

[Hoopy]

Not feeling a JKDS lynch right now.

I'd be happy lynching SMF or gabe today.

Since gabe already has a vote lynch gabe

[gabe]

rilla is either a wolf or is wrong.

I know which is more likely. We all know.

rescind and lynch ong

[gabe]

Not feeling a JKDS lynch right now.

I'd be happy lynching SMF or gabe today.

Since gabe already has a vote lynch gabe

transphobic and short sighted

[gabe]

Bid is so wolfy. I want to kill him tomorrow if the wolves don't. Tomorrow he will have a chance to convince us he's a special role probably

[OngBonga]

transphobic and short sighted

lynch gabe

[BooG690]

Bid is so wolfy. I want to kill him tomorrow if the wolves don't. Tomorrow he will have a chance to convince us he's a special role probably

Wolfier than Ong?

[gabe]

Ong why have u said kinda so much. U have no defense

[OngBonga]

Bid is so wolfy. I want to kill him tomorrow if the wolves don't.

Ummmm......

How do I explain this to you as simply as possible?

How about... wolves don't nom wolves.

There is a flaw in your logic here gabe, can you see it?

[gabe]

Wolfier than Ong?

Bid is definitely spazzy this game. Seems out of character for village bid. I can't compare ong and bids wolfiness now

[OngBonga]

Ong why have u said kinda so much. U have no defense

I say kinda all the time. Even when I'm not playing werewolf. How is that ever alignment indicative? It's nonsense, far too desperate for the likes of you and rilla. What the fuck is this?

[gabe]

The fact it's been brought up makes it not nonsense. You are playing with experts

[gabe]

Ong where are ur villager skills at. You were so proud of them last game

[OngBonga]

My village skills? lol we're half way through d1. Compare with last game. Half way through d1, I'd nailed you and drew, then forgot that you were both wolfy and started looking elsewhere, because that's what happens.

Besides, how can you know if I'm right or wrong with what I've posted so far?

[OngBonga]

The fact it's been brought up makes it not nonsense. You are playing with experts

And this is just utter bollocks, it doesn't mean anything.

I can say you said "spazzy" and that means you're a wolf. You can argue that I'm talking shit, because I would be. But then I can retort that because I brought it up, it's relevant. Boom.

I mean what planet are you on here gabe? This is weak, equally as weak as your "villaging" last game.

Alarm bells.

[gabe]

Ummmm......

How do I explain this to you as simply as possible?

How about... wolves don't nom wolves.

There is a flaw in your logic here gabe, can you see it?

im ready for ong to die

such a weak post you made here

[gabe]

And this is just utter bollocks, it doesn't mean anything.

I can say you said "spazzy" and that means you're a wolf. You can argue that I'm talking shit, because I would be. But then I can retort that because I brought it up, it's relevant. Boom.

I mean what planet are you on here gabe? This is weak, equally as weak as your "villaging" last game.

Alarm bells.

Lol no

I'm going to let your posts speak for you. I'm staying out of the mud

[gabe]

Ong u can say things, and rilla can say things, and they are perceived very differently. Boom

[OngBonga]

Ok. This is a really fearsome attack gabe, you're almost convincing me tha you're a villager and I'm a wolf.

Almost.

[BankItDrew]

Ok. This is a really fearsome attack gabe, you're almost convincing me tha you're a villager and I'm a wolf.

Almost.

This is what I would imagine bussing sounds like.

[OngBonga]

Thing is gabe, you're not bad enough to believe that saying "kinda" a lot is alignment indicative, and neither is rilla. In your case, last game you were trying to present rascal missing a word as a wolf pov slip. You like to present inane crap as wolfy when you're a wolf.

rilla might just be poking, idk. If that's what he's doing, you've taken the bait gabe. Because never in a million years are you going to get reliable reads from the number of times someone says "kinda", and you have been playing for a million years so you should know.

If you thought you had bagged a wolf in me, you would not be piggybacking off rilla's terrible observations.

[OngBonga]

This is what I would imagine bussing sounds like.

Drew you know what bussing sounds like, you've been wolf with me enough times.

You don't need to imagine anything.

Why are you using rhetoric in this manner?

[gabe]

U wrong tho. Check the archives, I've made all sorts of nice reads off inanity

[philly and the phanatics]

I thought that someone else had brought up ongs "feigned interest" earlier but I went back and it turns out it was also rilla. And I skipped to the end of America v Russia and it turns out ong was a wolf lol so I guess the difference in conviction can probably be attributed to a lack of information versus total info. Gabe has come out of this looking wolfoer to me...not ruling out a sick level where this is just two wolves goin after eachother but I would be really surprised to see two villagers here

[gabe]

Where's baudib or wuf to argue with ong for me

im not

[MadMojoMonkey]

Thing is gabe, you're not bad enough to believe that saying "kinda" a lot is alignment indicative, and neither is rilla. In your case, last game you were trying to present rascal missing a word as a wolf pov slip. You like to present inane crap as wolfy when you're a wolf.

Actually, exploiting the minutia of word choice is one of gabe's interesting skills. I say interesting because, to me, it seems like he's making a mountain out of a molehill, sometimes. I can't deny that it's the heightened awareness to subtle tells that impresses me about gabe.

Besides, after re-reading p1, gabe is not getting a vote from me today.

IDK about rilla.

rilla might just be poking, idk. If that's what he's doing, you've taken the bait gabe. Because never in a million years are you going to get reliable reads from the number of times someone says "kinda", and you have been playing for a million years so you should know.

If you thought you had bagged a wolf in me, you would not be piggybacking off rilla's terrible observations.

Actully, if rilla can support his claim that this extensive use of prevaricating tone is out of character for ong, then he's all good.

Simply throwing out something as evidence w/o supplying context is dubious, but not necessarily wolfy.

[MadMojoMonkey]

rescind rilla

[MadMojoMonkey]

This is what I would imagine bussing sounds like.

So are you changing your read that ong = V, then?

[philly and the phanatics]

@mmm but gabe didnt pick up on it...he just sorta tagged along with it...im curious do you think this could be an interaction between two villagers

[BooG690]

Gabe has come out of this looking wolfoer to me...not ruling out a sick level where this is just two wolves goin after eachother but I would be really surprised to see two villagers here

Hey look, guys. Philly is still fencing.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@mmm but gabe didnt pick up on it...he just sorta tagged along with it...im curious do you think this could be an interaction between two villagers

Yeah, but it's the kind of thing that gabe gets excited about. That alone is not alignment indicative.

Yes, this can be V-V interaction. It doesn't mean that it isn't V-W, but I doubt ong-gabe go at each other like this on D1 as W-W.

I think gabe is V, and I can never tell ong's alignment. I feel like ong somehow keeps his meta one step ahead of what I can figure out. I wasn't joking when I said I'd let BID figure out ong for me. BID has a long history of soul reading ong on D1.

The idea that it could be W-W is probably higher than it's been in years, given the recent run of village wins and gabe losing as a wolf that one time (last game). Still, I would guess this is a W-W gambit ~5% or less.

V-V more than 50%
V-W less than 50%
W-W less than 5%

[MadMojoMonkey]

Hey look, guys. Philly is still fencing.

I feel a nagging sense of empathy with philly's approach to this game.

His first couple of posts were dropping reads. Then he seems to have realized that he really needed context for the players, whom were obviously interacting with a ton of history. Then he dives into the USA vs USSR game and his head is out of this thread for a while. Now... he's trickling back into action here.

I just feel like this is a sensible and competent progression of an intelligent person with limited time. It could be a distraction, it feels like the noob-wolf winning tactic in spades at the same time. Thing is, the noob-wolf has to pull it off the entire game, and philly has to face a deadline that expires well before then.

[gabe]

TW-V or TW-W are only possibilities

the word kinda is not the only reason he's wolfy. I mentioned I had a third party advise me. And I've found some wolfy posts of his in retrospect

is anyone defending ong

[gabe]

Philly can't be lynched today. Any returning players get a policy pass from me (and ong too which is ironic)

[philly and the phanatics]

@boog This is different, before I was fencing by stating that I'm rusty and don't know the players and its d1 so info is limited.

Here I am saying that just because one comes up w doesn't necessarily mean that the other is v although it appears that way.

So the first time was to cover my ass as there is a high likelihood that I am wrong

The second is to ensure we do not let someone off the hook automatically

There is a difference DUCY?

@mmm I agree with the low probability of both being wolves i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here

[OngBonga]

...i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here

I agree with this.

I also agree with mojo's analysis of philly and have both in my village camp.

gabe is wolfing hard here.

[gabe]

I identify as a wolf but they wouldnt share link to the wolf den

[OngBonga]

rilla and gabe talk about the word "kinda" as though that indicates a lack of conviction. I am not of the opinion that conviction is measured in words. I think context is much more important. Does gabe believe what he's saying? I don't think so, I think that as villager he would know that what rilla said was nonsense. But he jumped on it like it was the greatest read in the world. Is that what gabe calls conviction?

[gabe]

@mmm I agree with the low probability of both being wolves i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here

Ong can surprise you with how much he spews as villager. I've been saying that for years over dozens of games

[gabe]

rilla and gabe talk about the word "kinda" as though that indicates a lack of conviction. I am not of the opinion that conviction is measured in words. I think context is much more important. Does gabe believe what he's saying? I don't think so, I think that as villager he would know that what rilla said was nonsense. But he jumped on it like it was the greatest read in the world. Is that what gabe calls conviction?

Wow ur really trying to get serious now after the heat. Did fear cause this tone change? Villager ong wouldn't be fearful at this point

[gabe]

La la la locked in on ong

[OngBonga]

Wow ur really trying to get serious now after the heat. Did fear cause this tone change? Villager ong wouldn't be fearful at this point

Fearful? This is deliberate use of rhetoric to support your cause. I would argue that I'm defensive... which is the case always when I'm a villager who gets heat. But you know how quickly I'd swat away accusations of being defensive, so you say fearful instead.

This is wolf language. I mean a villager might think fearful indicates wolf or special.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Modifying your village game to improve your wolf game does seem like a nice excuse for a wolf to wolf it up large.

Which is why it'd be less likely that someone expressing a new meta, unannounced, is actually wolfy.

Sure, gabe is capable of this. I think it's not the case.

Much respect to the legend if he's fooling me now.

[gabe]

It's not a trick. If you remove tin foil it makes perfect sense. I think ongs brain is Literally wrapped in tinfoil

ps are scientists using the new definition of literally in scientific papers yet??

[gabe]

Fearful? This is deliberate use of rhetoric to support your cause. I would argue that I'm defensive... which is the case always when I'm a villager who gets heat. But you know how quickly I'd swat away accusations of being defensive, so you say fearful instead.

This is wolf language. I mean a villager might think fearful indicates wolf or special.

defensive is inherently fearful. If there were no fear then people would not defend

ur not gonna convince me of anything

[OngBonga]

Alright, well if you want to argue that defensive is fearful, fine. Fearful is therefore most certainly not alignment indicative, because by the very fact that I don't want to be lynched, I am fearful. I don't tend to want to be lynched regardless of my role.

I think ongs brain is Literally wrapped in tinfoil

As opposed a wolf trying to mislynch you?

Tell me again why you think I'm wolfy gabe, because this comment of your implies you now think I'm a villager being paranoid.

[gabe]

Nah I'm gonna let people make their own conclusions and see which side they land on

[MadMojoMonkey]

@mmm I agree with the low probability of both being wolves i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here

They will be supplying more information before EOD.

Who will you not be voting for today?

Who could you vote for today?

What are your thoughts on other players?

[gabe]

#433 is a transwolf masterpiece imo. It's type of thing I'd love to normally say but don't. It's so liberating coming out of the transwolf closet

[MadMojoMonkey]

It's not a trick. If you remove tin foil it makes perfect sense. I think ongs brain is Literally wrapped in tinfoil

ps are scientists using the new definition of literally in scientific papers yet??

Probably. It depends on how widely the term "scientist" applies.

Technically, psychology is a science. Psychologists say all kinds of things.

Even still. It is not the case that all physicists share my rigorous use of language in all of their publications. While I would not use the word literally with this meaning, I do use colloquial and witty language in my introductions and closing statements. These are the prefix and suffix to a paper, intended to use non-technical language to give a brief overview of the intention and results of the paper for non-scientist readers (management).

[BankItDrew]

So are you changing your read that ong = V, then?

Not yet but I'd like to hedge my decision by saying: not yet.

[OngBonga]

Nah I'm gonna let people make their own conclusions and see which side they land on

This only demonstrates to me that you have no interest in figuring me out.

If you cannot present a coherent case against me, then how am I to believe that you have any conviciton gabe?

[gabe]

I don't need you to believe anything

however I can tell that you need the village to believe something about you

[OngBonga]

You need to believe I'm a wolf. I'm unconvinced you believe that, because you're just trying to brush me off with buzzwords, rather than actually explaining why you think I'm wolfy.

[gabe]

Would be hilarious if after last game gabewolf attacked villagerong on day 1

that alone makes this preposterous

thats actually another reason i would would like to lynch you. If you come up villager, it looks slightly good for me (as opposed to normally where I would catch heat from lynching the wrong person)

try to get what I'm saying here before asking me 5 questions that probably lack conviction

[gabe]

Makes a lot more sense that you're the wolf this time. U should point your energy at someone else if you are a villager

[BooG690]

Gabe and Ong are the new Baud and Ong. Gabe is coming off as less wolf and more trans with every post. I still hate the idea of him being so flaming about it though.

Anywho, rescind gabe, lynch philly

Philly's shitty explanation with regard to his fencing sold me. If anyone's conviction needs to be examined thoroughly, it's his.

[BankItDrew]

I agree with everything boog said.

[philly and the phanatics]

@mmm

There's nobody that I'm super pumped about. I feel like BID Is all over the place but I'm sticking with my guns that he wouldn't open the game like that as a wolf

I'm not overly excited for an ong lynch but I think it's important we get some clarity on this situation and he's on the jkds wagon and two of the best players think he's a wolf

I have no idea what's going on with gabe, like I said he looked wolfier in the initial exchange and now he's gone hyper trans.

given the nature of the jkds wagon I think it's likely he's a villager and there's a wolf out of those voting for him that jumped on after gators bold...wuf bid and ong.

Also its strange to me that baudib was like "lol we are totes lynching jkds" but then doesn't bold him. It's possible he is a wolf trying to perpetuate a wagon without getting his hands dirty on any voting charts, but could also be him setting a trap to see who bites on the wagon

To me those are the two most noteworthy events so far, this ong and gabe exchange and the jkds wagon that was up to four votes relatively quickly

Forgive me if any of those three bolded jkds before gator I'm in the car with my girlfriend heading to atlanta and she's not stoked at the time I took to make this post lol so I can't verify

Finally considering that you said smf was quite talented I haven't seen anything from him really

[baudib]

I've seen enough

lynch Gabe

[philly and the phanatics]

Le sigh at boog and bid

[baudib]

"I want to lynch BID if the wolves don't kill him" can't be a real thought.

[MadMojoMonkey]

thats actually another reason i would would like to lynch you. If you come up villager, it looks slightly good for me (as opposed to normally where I would catch heat from lynching the wrong person)

No.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I've seen enough

lynch Gabe

So gabe over ong and over JKDS, then?

Are you clearing ong? or are you thinking W-W?

Where are you on JKDS?