Game of Thrones TV Thread **HBO-Purists ONLY**

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lol@ rational discussion

I'm actually allowed to like whatever I want about the show for whatever reasons I choose, or no reason at all.

You're really going to serve up this weak sauce? Yes you can feel however you want and have whatever opinion you want-- but when you bring those feelings and opinions into a discussion, they are liable to be challenged. Retreating back to "I can think whatever I want to think!" is pitiful.

I like high-carnage fight scenes and really like them over awkward unresolved battles that feature the survival of now superfluous characters, especially to establish the badassery of new characters.

In the same way that a new character killing Bronn would have established their badass cred, Ramsey's treatment of Sansa and Theon establish his super villian cred. This is a dark show, and villains can't simply be people that do a few mean and selfish things. Theon burned two innocent little boys and beheaded a man who mentored him all his life. Theon is and has always been a sympathetic character.

IT's not that Jaimie raping Cersei is not in the books, it's not believable in the context of the characters of the show.

Right, so if we see this through to it's conclusion, the show runners are deliberately planting rape scenes to troll us. Makes sense.

Oh, wait, no, it's more likely that your knee jerked and once that happened you were incapable of examining the scene and characters objectively.

Danny Episode 2 season 1 vs. Sansa Episode 6 season 5 bear no resemblance to each other.

It is the exact same scenario. Exactly.

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You're really going to serve up this weak sauce? Yes you can feel however you want and have whatever opinion you want-- but when you bring those feelings and opinions into a discussion, they are liable to be challenged. Retreating back to "I can think whatever I want to think!" is pitiful.



In the same way that a new character killing Bronn would have established their badass cred, Ramsey's treatment of Sansa and Theon establish his super villian cred. This is a dark show, and villains can't simply be people that do a few mean and selfish things. Theon burned two innocent little boys and beheaded a man who mentored him all his life. Theon is and has always been a sympathetic character.



Right, so if we see this through to it's conclusion, the show runners are deliberately planting rape scenes to troll us. Makes sense.

Oh, wait, no, it's more likely that your knee jerked and once that happened you were incapable of examining the scene and characters objectively.



It is the exact same scenario. Exactly.

Right, because seeing Ramsay flay men alive or cut their penises off or have his ex-lover's eaten by dogs didn't drive home the villain part.

Danny was a teenage girl who was basically raised to be pimped out by her brother. Sansa was raised properly as a lord's daughter and who we have seen to be evolving into a much more cunning and scheming individual with her own agenda, under the masterful tutelage of perhaps the best in the "Game" -- Littlefinger.

The characters aren't remotely in the same place and for you to fail to recognize that is simply astonishing.

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Right, because seeing Ramsay flay men alive or cut their penises off or have his ex-lover's eaten by dogs didn't drive home the villain part.

Again, why do you insist that rape is the straw that broke the camels back? It's hard to say, because I haven't experienced either, but I would hazard a guess that severe genital mutilation is objectively worse of an act of violence to suffer than rape. So why is rape the place for outrage? If you're upset at all the dark shit in this show, fine-- but that's not how it's coming across.

Danny was a teenage girl who was basically raised to be pimped out by her brother. Sansa was raised properly as a lord's daughter and who we have seen to be evolving into a much more cunning and scheming individual with her own agenda, under the masterful tutelage of perhaps the best in the "Game" -- Littlefinger.

The characters aren't remotely in the same place and for you to fail to recognize that is simply astonishing.

This is awfully close to "well, what was she wearing?" I'm really not even sure what you're tying to say. What happened to Daenerys certainly had a different tone to it, but when else are we going to have two rapes in one show, both taking place as the consummation of a political marriage the bride wanted no part in?

If you're trying to say that the writers messed up Sansa's arc, because she's supposed to be a bad ass schemer now-- I don't really agree at this point, and I think it's kind of absurd to make that claim before the arc wraps.

And if we can pivot a bit and actually talk about the show-- I'm not sure you're reading the Sansa/Baelish relationship right. He revealed more of his hand to her than he does to others, but I don't think that this is because he sees her as a potential equal. He's playing her just like he's playing everyone else. It just so happens that what it takes to play her is to reveal more than he otherwise would. It's a classic con: convince the mark that they themselves are the ones doing the conning.