Vikings, Gods and Giants Game thread

[rong]

And if daven is wolf after the seer said "daven is villager" or w/e he said, then we need to bring both bid and a vig back to life.

[wufwugy]

And if daven is wolf after the seer said "daven is villager" or w/e he said, then we need to bring both bid and a vig back to life.

he said that after daven said something about ong. bid has done this shit before, declaring "so n so is a villager" because that person makes a point bid likes

[rong]

Gabe, hippy, jkds, lil rascal.


Wolves and sk are in there.

This is mostly for my benefit later.

[rong]

Yeah but he's the seer. Surely even bid wouldn't duck up that badly.

[Luco]

he said that after daven said something about ong. bid has done this shit before, declaring "so n so is a villager" because that person makes a point bid likes

He said it twice tho. Once he said daven is a villager and the other he said something like 'daven is villager from my perspective' I think?

[wufwugy]

Okay unless Baud is telling us something that his OP suggests he won't, the Trickster God has not switched to any side, he's still neutral. He either chose to be vig on n1 and shoot BID or Monstr or the wolves had an extra nom and the TG chose bulletproof. I suspect it's the former: TG chose vig and chose to not shoot last night for final day win purposes

I didn't even consider doing this yesterday until the day was over, probably because since Loki called me villager and I'm confident I figured out who it is, I figured he sided with the village. But since he is still neutral color, it has to mean he's looking for a neutral win or to share the win.

Loki is Luco

odin is ded but he is not the only seer in this game

i looked up wuf n0, and the result was villager

you're welcome

keep it simple, key boog daven rong were all on monstr

key ded, daven prolly n0 lookup, boog has 11th hr switcheroo so

lynch rong

ez game

Or it's somebody trying to imitate Luco. Linguistic style has all the same elements in both posts

But I don't think anybody is imitating Luco because that's really savvy (since when is FTR savvy?) and Luco posted that the night before the morning that Baud sent the Loki Speaks message, which suggests it was PM'd to Baud shortly after Luco posted it

Anyways, I don't like a Luco lynch right now, but the whole SK thing confuses me. I hope that he would just help us kill the wolves so we can share the victory, but since he's still neutral color it means he might betray

[Luco]

Wuf I noticed it too. I used 'ded' while drunk then it appeared in the loki message.

[Hoopy]

Post 1 of 5 for Monday.

Hello, I'm new to this site, but not to werewolf. Apparently I'm limited to 5 posts today (IRL Monday) and 5 posts tomorrow (IRL Tuesday). So I plan to make them count as much as possible. I'll try and remember to put a counter into the start of each post until my limit is lifted.

This is not my normal style of posting, so it is not role indicative either way. I don't usually have long posts in a werewolf game as I prefer to interact freely with other players so that I can make my reads as I'm better at tone reading thru interaction, but at least for this game day, I will have to adjust.

I've read thru the thread and the style here is different than what I'm used to, so please bear with me.

Here's my reads on the current players:

Daven - Strong Villa lean, first one to go after wolf Ong for his vig and likely BID's peek
Luco - Strong Villa lean, helped push the Ong vote over the top to get the lynch, so good D1, D2 could have been better
Hoopy - Villa lean, primarily based on D1 vote analysis, D2 could have been better
lilrascal - Lock Villa, I know I'm villa and will work to prove it to the rest of you

JKDS - Neutral, nothing has stood out as villa or wolfy

That leaves the wolves and the Serial Killer (SK) in the rest. I got there 2 ways, first in making my reads I had all three as wolfy. Second, as I'm making this post they fall out as the wolves through Process of Elimination (POE).

Based on posts I can't see Rong and Wuf as w/w. That leaves one of them as the wolf and the other as the SK.

Gabe - Wolf lean, no real content in his posts and he only voted a single time each day not bothering to take the flow of the thread into account which can definitely be a wolf trait.
Rong - Wolf lean, Rong's the only player to vote for 2 villas at each EOD. Also, I haven't noticed any villa things that he's done.
Wufwugy - Wolf lean, his thoughts have been all over the place. Wuf was also pushing for a Keith kill, which as was pointed out by others, not a villa thing to do. If I had to guess, I'd say Wuf is more likely to be Loki than a wolf.

Strong first post, welcome to FTR!

[baudib]

MOD CORNER

Q: Will it be known if Loki has chosen a side?
A: Probably.

[wufwugy]

He said it twice tho. Once he said daven is a villager and the other he said something like 'daven is villager from my perspective' I think?

im generally okay with this. trying to interpret the seer has burned me once previously, and trying to interpret daven has burned me a million times. im okay with this for now, especially since i think teh hoopman and monsieur rong are teh bad-bads

[Luco]

note that in the anon game I used american spelling to throw people off, I wouldn't be that dumb as loki

[wufwugy]

why does lilrascal have only five posts per day? because new account?

good first post too. it would be bad if he didnt think im a wolf, since i always look wolf to people who dont know my weirdness

[Hoopy]

I care more that you have been a big target for lynching yet Hoopy never mentioned you

Mentioned him once though that was more of a joke than anything. Truth is I haven't given him much attention due to looking at others more, that will change.

So you think both hoopy and I are two wolves and then forget to interact. Dude, I'm quite good at wolfin! I'm pretty sure that would never happen.

I also agree that wolves are very aware of their wolf interactions these days.

[Hoopy]

I see new guy has wuf as likely serial killer. What's the general take on the blind seer or w/e it was that cleared him?

This was the post from baudib (edited out the picture).

LOKI SPEAKS

odin is ded but he is not the only seer in this game

i looked up wuf n0, and the result was villager

you're welcome

So it wasn't the blind seer that cleared wuf. Personally I don't trust Loki, by not joining a team before day 3 he's maximizing his win % at the expense of everyone else. So wuf is not cleared imo.

Also got to remember that the SK appears villager to any seer so while daven is not a wolf he's potentially still the SK, same with Luco (small chance he's wolfin).

[Luco]

He said it twice tho. Once he said daven is a villager and the other he said something like 'daven is villager from my perspective' I think?

checked and no he only said daven is villager once. but hes also the only person bid called v

[baudib]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Day 3 will be extended to end at 7 p.m. EST on Wednesday. This will allow lilrascal one real life day to post freely, plus I'll be back home by then. I think the 7 p.m. deadline worked well in a previous game.

[Luco]

wuf i cant see hoopy as a wolf here and I read him better than most.

lynch jkds

[wufwugy]

wuf i cant see hoopy as a wolf here and I read him better than most.

lynch jkds

why on hoopy and why on jkds

[Hoopy]

checked and no he only said daven is villager once. but hes also the only person bid called v

Well he did say keybored had a 'solid villager post' but his statement on drew is so definite. Hopefully drew understood his role enough to know how important the things he said would be later on.

[Luco]

why on hoopy and why on jkds

Hoopy reads tone pure to me just like monstr did. You will follow your own path here because you always do but im confident that hes town

jkds because he aint screaming villager. Actually if I had to call it right now id say its gabe and rong and jkds is loki, but i want more from all three today

lilrascal, i think after 10 posts you are unlimited so you should be good to go tomorrow

[wufwugy]

jkds certainly could be the sk trying to frame you. what does tone pure mean?

[Luco]

jkds certainly could be the sk trying to frame you. what does tone pure mean?

tone pure means im not sensing deception or agenda. when a wolf posts they weigh their words and it comes through, tone pure means i dont feel that weight

[Luco]

loki will be hardest to spot because he will be able to make the most villager-esque reads as he also has imperfect info like a villager

[daven]

lynch rong

day 1 wagon and vote stuff means that one of rong or boog almost has to be a wolf

[Hoopy]

Lets look at JKDS.

Ongs been silly before. Reads null to me

This is before anything had actually happened.

I dont get the keith shot. Wolf dayvigs would want to shoot keith after he effectively cleared himself, and i dont see any pro-town reason to shoot him otherwise.

Monstr is doing the same thing this game as last game. Was a villager last time iirc. There isnt any reason to policy lynch in this game since baudib promised crazyness and there is at least one vig left (thor) in addition to a 3rd party. Lynch for wolfyness.

Lets lynch keybored. He knew keith was a villager based off of very little, and has reason to want to buddy him as a wolf. He also said "alas", which isnt a word anybody ever uses and means hes being creative when writing posts.

lynch keybored

Says he think ong is a wolf vig but then goes for keybored instead which is weird.

The biggest thing stopping me from lynching ong is that wolf-dayvigs are usually pretty rare. Given that theres a vig, a 3rd party, and a bunch of other roles, im not sure a balanced game would give wolves additional killing power. Im not sure wolves would want to immediately burn it on day 1 either (consensus last game with wolf-dayvigs was to wait and spring it on the villlage at end game).

baudib is not going for a balanced game but more of a crazy/fun one. JKDS is ignoring his previous read that there was no pro town reason to shoot keith.

Ok, I finally have time for this.

Ok, im caught up.

One thing, Daven is clearly BID's look up. The seer said one player was a villager in the entire thread, and only one player. He did it explicitly, in clear terms. Daven is obv villa.

Boog gut feels wolfy, but theres a lot going against that and I think he is actually almost confirmed villa. I dont even know how that makes sense. While he is being very aggressive/defensive atm, he also hard defended Ong late in the day, and switched off of monstrman at the same time as Luco. Boog didnt have to do that as wolf, and likely wouldnt. There were only 2 minutes left till deadline when he did so, and could easily have feigned missing reveal. Defending ong as he did previously is pretty bizarre as well, given how much heat ong was getting. Reading through the thread, Ong seems like he was shitting his pants the entire time, especially in his arguments with Drew. It doesnt make sense. Im not lynching him here, and in spite of his aggressively defensive style (which I think is normal? I dont remember) I dont see a reason to lynch him.

Luco gets to be near confirmed villa too, for the same 'switch from monstr with 2min to go' reasons. The only way either of Luco/Boog are wolves is if they dont understand who got to 5 votes first and dont understand how ties are resolved.

MMM seems villagery. His posts feel genuine, especially post 186 where he nails 3 villagers and ong as a wolf. His feelings regarding keith dont seem out of place when compared to other feelings expressed itt either, which makes sense for a villager genuinely feeling things.

Wuf seems super wolfy. I'm not playing the WIFOM game about how he'd seem more villagery as a wolf. Whatever. This isnt normal wuf style and his post explaining the impossibility of a Ong -wuf team is missing the character wuf normally brings. Way back when keith self lynched, wuf lynches keith, ong lynches wuf in response, and then rescinds pretty quickly. That whole exchange seems disingenuine, as Ong didnt even wait to see if his wuf lynch would catch on.

lynch Wuf

Dhubs is w/e. He made one post supporting ong, one post attacking him.

Rong is w/e. Seems like he defended ong more than anything, but the whole thing where Ong says "Id have shot you, but itd be spazz" is weird for a w-w pair. Rong said he'd shoot ong if he had a gun way early in the game, and ong doesnt get back to that till he's exhausted his power and was in danger of lynch. Feels like he was scared of rong or something. Idk.

Gabe looks good, but I cant differentiate him from his wolf game anymore. He adamantly supports an ong lynch at various points to his credit, but it also seems like he did so when it was safe to do so. He didnt discuss Ong in the early game when BID was going at him though, and didnt strongly push ong until Ong killed keith and ong was pretty suspicious. I think this is ultimately villagery.

Hoopy seems wolfy too. Hes not talking about ong in the early game, takes him awhile to discuss the keith shot, and doesnt make any other impactful posts.

We should lynch from Wuf, Hoopy, and Dhubs. Anyone in the above can probably be the serial killer, but its a waste to discuss it. We win by killing the frost giants, so screw loki.

Good analysis post that I can't disagree with (except the bit about me).

None of what wuf just posted is consistent in any way with how he normally defends against votes, except for voting his attacker.

Going after wuf again.

I dont see Rong as a wolf. Being on monstr doesnt say anything for me, as we already found a wolf on that wagon. I dont think a last minute vote on monstr is something a wolf would do either, given wolfwuggy's fact that ong encourages other wolves to vote him in dire situations. Rong has this decently long back and forth with Ong earlier in the thread over the triple voting stuff, and that does not seem like a staged discussion. He defended ong a few times, but ong is a tricky bastard and loads of people defended him (daven, boog, and myself off the top of my head).

Woflwuggy doesnt do these things though. He isnt voting ong in places that would be weird for wolves to do it, he isnt defending ong or voting monstr at risky moments, hes just kinda there. He and ong have what seems like a staged back and forth as well when discussing keith's affiliation, even a part where ong votes him and then immediately backs off. Hes also very quick to jump on rong, in spite of boog (his previous vote) being all for it.



Scratch my "probably villager" read. Gabe is almost certainly village. Abandoning the thread with a vote on ong and ong in the lead is just too much fps for gabe to be wolfin.

Convinced that wuf is a wolf. Not sure I'd clear gabe completely though as he's made FPS plays as a wolf before.

Ong's rescind was almost instant (within 2min). He is not interested in seeing how others respond to his attack on wuf, because he doesnt actually want an attack on wuf to go anywhere. If wuf is a villager, then the wolves went against their best interest and attempted to discredit someone who was discrediting a potentially confirmed villager. This doesnt make sense on its face. As bullshit, it makes plenty of sense.

Need to recheck this.

Contrast that with this back and forth with Rong



Ong goes at great length to attack rong (doing it in a few different posts), and ong is very slow to back down. These scenarios are different. Rong seems like he was posting stream of conscience though, and seemed like he was genuinely arguing with ong (even including lots of statements relating to being understood properly and not knowing how ong would respond to them). Ong was also hesitant to vote Rong here, whereas he voted wuf quickly. This reads how a wolf attacking a villager would read.

Agree on the stream of consciousness bit, though given how Ong was spewing this game I'm not ruling out that Ong was attacking a fellow wolf on the fly and rong was having to really defend while under time pressure.

Wuf is loki. Maybe the wolves will kill him, but we certainly dont have to. unlynch wuf

Maybe I'm wrong on Rong. This reads a lot like "im valuable, dont lynch me" but we dont have our specials anymore.



Gabe, he lynched ong with 2min to deadline when monstr was gonna die. I dont see how any wolf ever does this.

Yup.

No, thats stupid.

relynch wuf

Its just as likely wuf is a wolf, loki knows it, is siding with the wolves, and trying to protect wuf.

If Loki was siding with the wolves wouldn't he have joined them last night? However I agree the statement about wuf is unreliable.

JKDS is leaning villager to me, his big analysis post felt really on point with not much based on feelings.

[lilrascal]

Post 2 of 5 for Monday.

Gabe, hippy, jkds, lil rascal.


Wolves and sk are in there.

This is mostly for my benefit later.

I noticed that you seem to vote for people that vote for you. I called you a wolf in my only post so far in this thread and now you have me in your list of wolves. It seems to be more a spite post calling me a likely wolf than an actual read. In addition a lot of your votes appear to be spite votes rather than an actual read. Would you care to elaborate on that?

Strong first post, welcome to FTR!

Thank you. I'm trying my best to help the villas here. I don't have any meta on the people playing here so I can't make reads on how they've played in the past. So, please provide votes and reads with reasons to help the new guy out.

why does lilrascal have only five posts per day? because new account?

good first post too. it would be bad if he didnt think im a wolf, since i always look wolf to people who dont know my weirdness

Yes, it's because of the new account. I can only post five posts per day until I get to 15 which will be tomorrow.

I don't know you and you do come off wolfy to me in this game. But, I do reread and reassess as the game progresses. I'll change my read on you if it merits a change. But at the moment, I still think you're either Loki or a wolf.

Hoopy reads tone pure to me just like monstr did. You will follow your own path here because you always do but im confident that hes town

jkds because he aint screaming villager. Actually if I had to call it right now id say its gabe and rong and jkds is loki, but i want more from all three today

lilrascal, i think after 10 posts you are unlimited so you should be good to go tomorrow

I mainly read by tone as well. Like you, I read Hoopy as villa.

I have JKDS as role neutral at the moment since I haven't seen anything to make me think he's either a wolf or a villa. I guess he could be Loki as you say, but I'd like to hear your reason for that other than he "aint screaming villager". I don't know his game so I don't know if this is wolfy for him.

Based on the "Welcome to FTR: Information Thread" link here (I had to take out the http and www to get it to post here):
flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/ftr-announcements-feedback/welcome-ftr-information-thread-197125.html
I'm limited to 5 posts per day until I reach 15 and can't do links or images until I get to 10 (which explains the above).

loki will be hardest to spot because he will be able to make the most villager-esque reads as he also has imperfect info like a villager

This is a very good point, with the one exception being he got a N0 peek per the OP.

lynch rong

day 1 wagon and vote stuff means that one of rong or boog almost has to be a wolf

You do realize that Boog was lynched last night and was a vanilla villager.

I do happen to agree with you on this as I've posted, but i don't get your reasons when you make a post like this.

================================================== ===================================

If you don't agree with my reads, please provide me rationale. As I said I reread and reassess as new information becomes available.

I tried to put as much of my thoughts into my #591 post as I could without rambling and providing additional information here.

[rong]

Rascal, you and your predecessor have hardly posted so you have to be in the pool of potential wolves. And I really try not to tit for tat.

[wufwugy]

tone pure means im not sensing deception or agenda. when a wolf posts they weigh their words and it comes through, tone pure means i dont feel that weight

hoopy's vil tone and wolf tone are similar. i get the opposite feel that you do about an "agenda". i still dont believe he believed what he said about ong. granted i do know that hoopy has such a calm tone no matter what that he could come off like this as a villager

[rong]

And besides which, most people have voted for me.

Someone explain to me why luco is considered nearly cleared?

[wufwugy]

I don't know you and you do come off wolfy to me in this game. But, I do reread and reassess as the game progresses. I'll change my read on you if it merits a change. But at the moment, I still think you're either Loki or a wolf.

I'm not sure the best way to respond, but I think I should since your posts are restricted so we don't have the best clue where you really stand (like even if you think I should be bolded, you'd be more reluctant)

I think I'll just say that I'm not the SK because there was no need to try to protect myself that way on d2. The cases against me were brittle, and I have a history of crushing cases against me when I choose to balls-out defend. I also enjoy it greatly. I was upset when I saw the Loki Speaks post because I was looking forward to calling my detractors doofuses and pwning their claims. If I'm the SK, all that claim did for me was make me look worse, all for totally unnecessary reasons.

I could say other stuff, but I don't think it would be that relevant (like my history, general strategy, perception people have of me, etc). The above is a purely logical case. If I was the SK, I don't think it makes sense for me to do the Loki Speaks thing in that spot

[wufwugy]

And besides which, most people have voted for me.

Someone explain to me why luco is considered nearly cleared?

he left daven to sink ong. still, i think he's the sk. he drunk dialed that shit. i guess mb jkds could frame him, but that would be some pretty ballin forethought, and i honestly dont see the payoff.

[wufwugy]

rong's "omg dont lynch me guise" then after he's in the clear saying "do what you want" (with nothing of value in between) is wolfing. not even specialing, just straight wolfing

[daven]

You do realize that Boog was lynched last night and was a vanilla villager.

yup. So, wagon dynamics mean one of boog/rong has to be wolf. Boog is dead and not a wolf, so by process of elimination...
i thought that was crystal clear, make more sense now?

[daven]

Someone explain to me why luco is considered nearly cleared?

mostly day 1 wagon stuff

[gabe]

new guy color coding his posts, awesome. welcome


im confused about last night. boog had the voting power and didnt use it? so he just died for no reason?

[daven]

rong's "omg dont lynch me guise" then after he's in the clear saying "do what you want" (with nothing of value in between) is wolfing. not even specialing, just straight wolfing

some weird shit has just happened. Wuf and i agree on something. Now i'm worried that my read is terri-bad
based on his 'got=no-time-guise' shit and how much has now happened in this game it's kinda lock that he'll be no use to the village in the unlikely scenario that he's villager, and will remain a huge diversion until lynched due to day 1 wagon stuff around ong's lynch over monstr, and most likely scenario is he's wolf. I don't see why we would lynch anyone else today.

[gabe]

the read of his you agree with is easy for a wolf to make though

[gabe]

if daven appeared to be a villager on BID n0 lookup, that means he could be loki. then loki says wuf is a villager. but we also dont think loki chose his affiliation yet?

someone tell me if this is right

[wufwugy]

i dont think loki chose affiliation. he's still neutral color. the OP says if he chooses a side he goes to that side and becomes vanilla. i expect his name would have to change color after that happened

[gabe]

Gabe - Wolf lean, no real content in his posts and he only voted a single time each day not bothering to take the flow of the thread into account which can definitely be a wolf trait.

i think taking in the "flow" of the thread is overrated and i dont really get it. people get caught up making these fancy plays where the best actual best play is right in front of them. ong needed to die day 1 after killing keith. there no flow or tone or whatever that was going to change how i looked at that

[rong]

Why would any of us, as Loki, ever not go for the solo glory?

[Luco]

he left daven to sink ong. still, i think he's the sk. he drunk dialed that shit. i guess mb jkds could frame him, but that would be some pretty ballin forethought, and i honestly dont see the payoff.

i wasnt drunk until d2 - i actually dialled in the ong vote in the middle of the supermarket when i saw the hardclaim. dont misrep me

Im not loki.

[Luco]

Why would any of us, as Loki, ever not go for the solo glory?

I would go for the solo win approx 110% of the time

[JKDS]

Wuf is sounding like villager wuf again. The way hes been talking about loki nonstop and crazylike makes me strongly believe hes not loki either.

[JKDS]

Luco, why were stalking the ww thread while at the supermarket?

[rong]

Great question!

[Luco]

new guy color coding his posts, awesome. welcome


im confused about last night. boog had the voting power and didnt use it? so he just died for no reason?

why do you think boog had the vote?

[Luco]

Luco, why were stalking the ww thread while at the supermarket?

because it was near the deadline duh

[Luco]

jkds why did you choose the word 'stalking' just now? Are you actually thinking about me objectively or just trying to portray something?

[Luco]

its like your case against wuf earlier, it just felt like you were trying to get a point across instead of trying to figure him out. I thought the use of wolfwugy was clunky too

[gabe]

why do you think boog had the vote?

"You are Sigrun, a Valkyrie in the service of Odin. You bring the souls of dead warriors to Valhalla to dine with the gods.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon."

i know it says vanilla villager but adding the "vote is your weapon" made me think he might have had the vote tripler. i just stared at it again and i guess he didnt. those 5 words tricked me

[gabe]

i was thinking ok if SIGRUN brings dead warriors to valhalla, does that mean they can vote more? the dead warriors are sigrun's proxy voters or something. idk

[JKDS]

lynch gabe

Without talking about pms, there is no reason you should think "your vote is your weapon" is suspicious.

[JKDS]

jkds why did you choose the word 'stalking' just now? Are you actually thinking about me objectively or just trying to portray something?

Because you were stalking the thread. Or do you mean to tell me that ww was so important that you checked in while grocery shopping but not 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, ... etc minutes before shopping?

[lilrascal]

Post 3 of 5 for Monday.

Rascal, you and your predecessor have hardly posted so you have to be in the pool of potential wolves. And I really try not to tit for tat.

True, I'm definitely in the Process of Elimination (POE) from your point of view.

I don't yet know if you as a player spite vote.

On D1 you voted for Wuf in #169 after he voted for you in #89. You then voted for Monstr in #384 and never changed even though he hard claimed Thor in #395.
On D2 you voted for Wuf in #479 after he voted for you in #474. You then voted for Boog in #520 after he voted for you in #516.
On D3 I listed you as a wolf in #591 and then you put me on your wolf list in #603.

So, from my limited experience with you based on this game you do spite vote. This is not necessarily role indicative, but it is definitely not pro villa. A villa needs to reevaluate, especially when you have a Power Role villa hard claim in the thread with no counter claims.

And besides which, most people have voted for me.

Someone explain to me why luco is considered nearly cleared?

To the first part of your post regarding "most people have voted for me":
This is not actually a true statement. Only a total of 4 people have voted for you in this game.
On D1, Rong is the only player to vote for you and it was early and didn't last until EOD.
On D2, Boog, Luco, MMM and Wuf voted for you at some point, with Boog and Wuf having their vote on you at EOD.

To the second part of your post regarding Luco being cleared:
Luco's EOD vote change from Daven to Ong is pretty clearing for him. He could have easily made that switch to Monstr instead. It may be an FPS play on Luco's part but I doubt it.

I'm not sure the best way to respond, but I think I should since your posts are restricted so we don't have the best clue where you really stand (like even if you think I should be bolded, you'd be more reluctant)

I think I'll just say that I'm not the SK because there was no need to try to protect myself that way on d2. The cases against me were brittle, and I have a history of crushing cases against me when I choose to balls-out defend. I also enjoy it greatly. I was upset when I saw the Loki Speaks post because I was looking forward to calling my detractors doofuses and pwning their claims. If I'm the SK, all that claim did for me was make me look worse, all for totally unnecessary reasons.

I could say other stuff, but I don't think it would be that relevant (like my history, general strategy, perception people have of me, etc). The above is a purely logical case. If I was the SK, I don't think it makes sense for me to do the Loki Speaks thing in that spot

You make a good point regarding the "Loki Speaks" thing. I'm not really sure what to make of Loki calling you villa. I'll need to think on that one some more.

I don't think you and Rong are w/w and if I'm right on Wuf being Loki, then the "Loki Speaks" thing is him trying to influence the game. If Loki's going for the Sole win, then I think he needs to take out a wolf today.

yup. So, wagon dynamics mean one of boog/rong has to be wolf. Boog is dead and not a wolf, so by process of elimination...
i thought that was crystal clear, make more sense now?

I understand the dynamics. It just appeared that you were saying it had to be one of the two and we need to figure it out. In my experience, this same sentiment is normally stated that only one of Boog/Ronk can be a wolf and with Boog flipping villa, then that makes Ronk a wolf.

I'm still learning the idiosyncrasies of this site.

new guy color coding his posts, awesome. welcome


im confused about last night. boog had the voting power and didnt use it? so he just died for no reason?

Good catch on seeing that Boog was the power voter. I didn't see it until you pointed it out. It makes no reason for him not to use that in that spot.

if daven appeared to be a villager on BID n0 lookup, that means he could be loki. then loki says wuf is a villager. but we also dont think loki chose his affiliation yet?

someone tell me if this is right

Per the OP, "On night 0, the seer will receive a randomized affiliation peek of a villager." Therefore, BID peeked a villa and not someone that would appear to be villa. As I've already stated, I believe that Daven is BID's N0 peek.

I don't trust what Loki is saying. So, I'm not reading too much into it until we have more information.

i think taking in the "flow" of the thread is overrated and i dont really get it. people get caught up making these fancy plays where the best actual best play is right in front of them. ong needed to die day 1 after killing keith. there no flow or tone or whatever that was going to change how i looked at that

I'm used to a different site where "flow" is more important. I agree with you that Ong needed to die on D1, but you still seemed to be disconnected from the thread in your posting which is wolfy in my opinion.

why do you think boog had the vote?

In Boog's death post, it states below "You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon." I didn't catch it at first until Gabe pointed it out that Boog was the 3x voter.

Boog has been lynched.

<<<Image and Spoiler Deleted>>>

You are Sigrun, a Valkyrie in the service of Odin. You bring the souls of dead warriors to Valhalla to dine with the gods.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.


You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.



Actions must be submitted by 11 a.m. to be in effect for N2.

[daven]

lynch gabe

Without talking about pms, there is no reason you should think "your vote is your weapon" is suspicious.

^this.
gabe: either you're angel, loki, or wolf. Which is it?

[daven]

Good catch on seeing that Boog was the power voter. I didn't see it until you pointed it out. It makes no reason for him not to use that in that spot.

In Boog's death post, it states below "You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon." I didn't catch it at first until Gabe pointed it out that Boog was the 3x voter.

same goes for you as for gabe, you are either angel, loki, or wolf. Which is it?

[gabe]

lynch gabe

Without talking about pms, there is no reason you should think "your vote is your weapon" is suspicious.

i didnt think it was clear if boog had the voting power

theres no suspiciousness about it. i wasnt even making a case for anyone to be wolf at that point

[gabe]

im not a wolf. the intentions in all my posts are pure

[daven]

dead vanilla villager posts, bolds added for emphasis, pics removed

Keith has been killed.

You are Athelstan, warrior priest. You were originally a monk who was captured by Ragnar Lothbrok in a raid on an English monastery. As a servant to Earl Ragnar, you were trained as a true viking warrior and converted to the worship of Odin the All Father.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.

You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

You win when all threats to the village are eliminated. [/spoiler]

Keybored has fallen.


You are Torstein, a a loyal ally of Ragnar Lothbrok.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.

You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

At the time of his death, Torstein had gained a special power.

Boog has been lynched.


You are Sigrun, a Valkyrie in the service of Odin. You bring the souls of dead warriors to Valhalla to dine with the gods.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.


You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

not sure what the deal is with the wording with mmm though

MadMojoMonkey was found torn in two.


You are theLady Sif. You are beloved of Thor and live on Asgard.

You are a vanilla villager and win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

[JKDS]

Thats freaking weird

[gabe]

im not sure why i noticed it on boog's only

i dont see why this matters. i was just bringing it up because i was going to call boog a werewolf fish

[wufwugy]

this same sentiment is normally stated that only one of Boog/Ronk can be a wolf and with Boog flipping villa, then that makes Ronk a wolf.

omg im calling him ronk forever and ever now

mademoiselle rong finally has a nickname

[lilrascal]

Post 4 of 5 for Monday.

same goes for you as for gabe, you are either angel, loki, or wolf. Which is it?

What makes you say this? And what makes you think I'd answer it if any of those were true. There's 8 people left in the game and you only covered half of the roles (2 wolves, Loki and the angel).

The other roles from the OP are:
- Angel. You've already mentioned and is always a villa here.
- Targeter. I think the Targeter is a wolf since it doesn't make sense as a villa role.
- Tracker. I think the Tracker is almost always villa in this game.
- Roleblocker. I think the Roleblocker is almost always villa in this game.
- Triple Voter. I would think the triple voter would be villa in this game, but I'm not sure.
- Day Vig. Already revealed as wolf Ong.

dead vanilla villager posts, bolds added for emphasis, pics removed






not sure what the deal is with the wording with mmm though

Agree. Wording is different in the different roles.

Thats freaking weird

Yes.

omg im calling him ronk forever and ever now

mademoiselle rong finally has a nickname

You're welcome. Sorry Rong.

My first day here and I'm already giving people nicknames.

[wufwugy]

I've had an epiphany: Luco is not Loki. JKDS is.

I've had fuzzy vision of the SK since I know I'm a villager. Loki declaring it for the whole village tells me that he's trying to aid the village win, especially since when it happened, it looked like I was in danger of being lynched

But it has troubled me that Loki Speaks is so obviously in the style of Luco. Saying "ded" is dead ringer that either Luco did it or somebody is trying to impersonate him. At first I figured Luco was just absent-minded and drunk dialed. But I don't think that's the case now. It would take a pretty huge brainfart for Luco to accidentally post as himself in such an obvious fashion. We simply don't see this sort of stuff. This is Werewolf, where wolves lie all day everyday. They don't slip up so obviously, so it's unreasonable to think Luco did as the SK

Enter JKDS: I dislike every direction, every case that he's made this game. He is one of the only people left who is actively tricky enough to plot against everybody in creative ways if his role called for it. The night before Loki Speaks, he came out hard against me (not hard, actually, but brittle. More like he was trying to come out hard). Shortly after that post, Luco makes the post that is later imitated. Come morning, Baud wakes up and posts Loki Speaks

So here we have JKDS on record calling me a wolf and bolding me. Then "Loki" says I'm a villager and looks like it comes from Luco. Then JKDS "doesn't buy it" and calls me SK or wolf. With one stone, he frames the most "lock" villager and points everybody in a direction away from him

JKDS is going for the solo win. He's trying to trick everybody


Hey JerKDS, all I can say is you need to count your blessings and realize that Papa Wugy found the last two wolves. After Rong flips snarlface, prove you're too cool for school and either shoot nobody or shoot the last wolf

[gabe]

going over the thread again, i dont think wuf is likely to be a wolf. hes posted stuff that i think is wrong but its not in a wolfy way. when some players post stuff i disagree with, it makes them wolfy, but not wufwugy

i think the most dangerous players are hoopy and lilrascal, and to a lesser extent daven (if we are reading BID wrong, which seems pretty unlikely)

rong is still suspicious and it will be a mistake to let him get to endgame without being audited

hoopy skates by without his posts having meaning. hes never involved, although hes posting. hoopy has skills enough to be slipping by here

lilrascal is dangerous because he clearly knows werewolf, but has a completely clean history here. hes not a newb, he should have an idea on how he can not set off any alarm bells

jkds is far from clear although i dont think hes lynchable in this field. we have work to do, and his big posts usually help me line things up

[gabe]

Hoopy reads tone pure

tone pure doesnt mean so much to someone who has played as long as hoopy. he also doesnt spew words all over the place, so he gives away less reads on his tone

i agree with wuf on this, although wuf's jkds theory is classic fancy soulread syndrome

[wufwugy]

shit nigga i think that's the most sophisticated and potentially accurate soulread ive had

[lilrascal]

Post 5 of 5 for Monday.

I realized I didn't answer everything before in enough detail.

When I read Gabe's post about Boog being the triple voter, I went and checked the death post for Boog and saw the wording "You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon." MMM's death post was right below and it was different. I didn't think to go and check all of the other death posts as Daven did. At the time I believed Boog to be the triple voter and puzzling that he didn't use his power to avoid the lynch. After the MQ by Daven, I realized that I was wrong about Boog and the triple voter is still out there somewhere.

I've had an epiphany: Luco is not Loki. JKDS is.

I've had fuzzy vision of the SK since I know I'm a villager. Loki declaring it for the whole village tells me that he's trying to aid the village win, especially since when it happened, it looked like I was in danger of being lynched

But it has troubled me that Loki Speaks is so obviously in the style of Luco. Saying "ded" is dead ringer that either Luco did it or somebody is trying to impersonate him. At first I figured Luco was just absent-minded and drunk dialed. But I don't think that's the case now. It would take a pretty huge brainfart for Luco to accidentally post as himself in such an obvious fashion. We simply don't see this sort of stuff. This is Werewolf, where wolves lie all day everyday. They don't slip up so obviously, so it's unreasonable to think Luco did as the SK

Enter JKDS: I dislike every direction, every case that he's made this game. He is one of the only people left who is actively tricky enough to plot against everybody in creative ways if his role called for it. The night before Loki Speaks, he came out hard against me (not hard, actually, but brittle. More like he was trying to come out hard). Shortly after that post, Luco makes the post that is later imitated. Come morning, Baud wakes up and posts Loki Speaks

So here we have JKDS on record calling me a wolf and bolding me. Then "Loki" says I'm a villager and looks like it comes from Luco. Then JKDS "doesn't buy it" and calls me SK or wolf. With one stone, he frames the most "lock" villager and points everybody in a direction away from him

JKDS is going for the solo win. He's trying to trick everybody


Hey JerKDS, all I can say is you need to count your blessings and realize that Papa Wugy found the last two wolves. After Rong flips snarlface, prove you're too cool for school and either shoot nobody or shoot the last wolf

I have JKDS as role-neutral for now as I've already stated, but I guess he could be Loki if I'm wrong on one of the wolves. But your rationale seems to be a real stretch from my Point Of View (POV). Maybe it makes sense from your POV and experience with JKDS, but I don't see it.

going over the thread again, i dont think wuf is likely to be a wolf. hes posted stuff that i think is wrong but its not in a wolfy way. when some players post stuff i disagree with, it makes them wolfy, but not wufwugy

i think the most dangerous players are hoopy and lilrascal, and to a lesser extent daven (if we are reading BID wrong, which seems pretty unlikely)

rong is still suspicious and it will be a mistake to let him get to endgame without being audited

hoopy skates by without his posts having meaning. hes never involved, although hes posting. hoopy has skills enough to be slipping by here

lilrascal is dangerous because he clearly knows werewolf, but has a completely clean history here. hes not a newb, he should have an idea on how he can not set off any alarm bells

jkds is far from clear although i dont think hes lynchable in this field. we have work to do, and his big posts usually help me line things up

I don't think we're reading BID wrong as I stated in one of my earlier posts. So, I think Daven is a clear villa.

I agree with you on Rong and he's my most likely wolf prospect at this point.

I disagree with you on Hoopy and JKDS. In fact, I'm reading them exactly opposite from you. I've found Hoopy's posting to be more game solvery than JKDS's posts. But I'd like to see both of them step up more this game day.

I understand your suspicion of me and would be even more concerned about your role if you cleared me too easily. I hope to clear myself as we progress through the game, but I have some work to do in catching up since I didn't get here until D3.

tone pure doesnt mean so much to someone who has played as long as hoopy. he also doesnt spew words all over the place, so he gives away less reads on his tone

i agree with wuf on this, although wuf's jkds theory is classic fancy soulread syndrome

In the games I normally play tone means more than it does here. On that site, there's a much higher posting rate and tone is harder to maintain under those circumstances. The lower posting volume here makes it harder to make reads by tone, I'm working to adjust to this.

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This is my last post for today due to the post limit. Fortunately, I was off work today and was able to spend time reading the thread and putting together and posting my reads. I've got to go to work the rest of the week and I'm taking my wife out for dinner Tuesday, so I won't be in the thread until late IRL Tuesday. I'll get up to my 15 post count on Tuesday with an additional 5 post limit and then I can freely post on IRL Wednesday for EOD D3.

[rong]

I think luco is a wolf with ong. Ong likes to think about getting cleared wolves from vote analysis, he's done it before, and by the end of day 1 he would have known he was done for whether that day or the next, his days were numbered. Combine that with luco stalking the thread around eod.

That scenario is just so ong, it would also be so Keith, not so much anyone else here. I'd bet money ong would have told the others to throw him under a bus, especially given the spaz move that got him lynched anyway, he probably planned to somehow sacrifice himself and in the process take out a cleared villager (Keith and replacement) and get cover for fellow wolves.

[Luco]

Because you were stalking the thread. Or do you mean to tell me that ww was so important that you checked in while grocery shopping but not 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, ... etc minutes before shopping?

I think 'watching' the thread sounds less negative.

I had ong as somewhat more wolfy than monstr but honestly at the time it felt like the two leading wagons were v-v, so I wasn't overly concerned with which one died until I saw monstr's hardclaim.

[Luco]

I think luco is a wolf with ong. Ong likes to think about getting cleared wolves from vote analysis, he's done it before, and by the end of day 1 he would have known he was done for whether that day or the next, his days were numbered. Combine that with luco stalking the thread around eod.

That scenario is just so ong, it would also be so Keith, not so much anyone else here. I'd bet money ong would have told the others to throw him under a bus, especially given the spaz move that got him lynched anyway, he probably planned to somehow sacrifice himself and in the process take out a cleared villager (Keith and replacement) and get cover for fellow wolves.

Hey here's an idea, why don't we systematically work our way through every person who made the ong lynch happen and ignore everyone who didn't?

[Luco]

lynch gabe

Without talking about pms, there is no reason you should think "your vote is your weapon" is suspicious.

Rong and I were wolves together in the game that made pm referencing an issue so I HATE using it.

JKDS and daven you should note that mojo had different wording but still wasn't a wolf.

[Luco]

tone pure doesnt mean so much to someone who has played as long as hoopy. he also doesnt spew words all over the place, so he gives away less reads on his tone

i agree with wuf on this, although wuf's jkds theory is classic fancy soulread syndrome

You're normally shit hot at finding villagers based on tone so this post is odd coming from you

[Hoopy]

Wuf, op said he got a villager peek. Or at least that was my interpretation.

drew got a random villager peek on night 0 which could still be Loki. I'm surprised that wuf would miss this.

Variable seer (Odin)
On night 0, the seer will receive a randomized affiliation peek of a villager. Every odd night thereafter, the seer will get a role peek of a player of his choosing (vanilla, vig, etc). Every even night thereafter, he will get an affiliation peek (wolf, villager) of a player of his choosing.