Vikings, Gods and Giants Game thread

[wufwugy]

the duck did you just tell him to do?

[BooG690]

boog put monstr over the top then monstr claimed and boog went back to ong. he can do this as a wolf. if he doesnt rescind it makes him look terrible

So why doesn't rong "look terrible" since he didn't rescind? Again, read what you just said with the lens of me being a wolf:


I, a wolf, put monstr (someone I knew was a villager) over the top to get lynched. Then, monstr confirmed that he was Thor. THEN, as a wolf, I SWITCHED my vote to Ong (a fellow wolf) to avoid killing Thor and kill my fellow wolf instead? I CHOSE to put my team at a disadvantage? Why would I do this? To avoid confrontation on day 2? Do you understand that, by your logic, I willingly chose to kill Ong when there was an option to have Thor lynched?

if rong is the wolf it means he bolded monstr right after ong and it didnt even put ong in the clear. boog is the one that makes sense for a wolf

If I'm reading this correctly, you feel that MY position on the wagon is WORSE (and makes me wolfier) than RONG's? He tied it between Ong and monstr, even though he was on a half hour before deadline, didn't change his vote to save Thor? How convenient.


I'd argue Rong is obviously wolf here. I don't see any other way around it. As a matter of fact, I see most players agree with the idea that Rong is a wolf (except, curiously, for JKDS). However, I'm on the chopping block. Blah.


Do I really look wolfier than Rong here? That can't be possible. If you, whoever is reading this, think I look wolfier, I'd ask that you go back 30 minutes prior to the deadline and check out Rong's position on the wagon. He had time to rescind his vote post-outing, but didn't hoping Thor would be lynched. Luco and I rescinded two minutes prior to deadline and Rong was left there without enough time to rescind.


Lastly, if fucking dhuber is a wolf, I'm ragequitting WW forever. That'd be some bullshit. Hoopy needs to add to this thread. He reiterated the Loki thing a bit then vanished again. It'd also be bullshit if he was a wolf.

[wufwugy]

i think one wolf is between you and rong and that the first three on ong's wagon are villagers

that doesnt leave many options

[wufwugy]

jkds - wuf
rong - boog
mmm - boog
boog - rong
wuf - boog
hoops - dhubs
luco - boog
gabe - boog

[wufwugy]

sorry boog i went back over it more to see if i could find reason to clear you, and it just ends up making you look even more suspect. i think you're a wolf

[BooG690]

That's OK. At least you looked back. The main fault I had this game was thinking Ong was a villager. Everything tumbled from there. Obviously, I blame Keith.

I still maintain Rong is easily the better vote here due to the way he's played, the late Monstr vote and his constant absence. Anywho, expect a self-preservation post tomorrow along with some drunken garble. Good night.

[wufwugy]

Do you understand that, by your logic, I willingly chose to kill Ong when there was an option to have Thor lynched?

i went back over it again, in a different way than i normally do, and im unbolding you for this

on the face of it, the quoted makes sense

unbold boog

[wufwugy]

what makes this extra tough is we kinda have no idea what ong was doing.

i feel more confused than i have been in a long time with this game

[wufwugy]

are there three remaining wolves? i see there's a red trickster god that i forgot about. i probably should have paid more attention for d1. thing is the weekend is the time that im online the most, not the weekdays

[BooG690]

The trickster god is Loki, no?

[daven]

i'm back online, climbing was awesome.
bid's lock day 1 seer play was pretty transparent, easy hunt for the wolves but well done i guess.
i'll read through now

[daven]

but first

[daven]

i'll triple post spam the thread

[daven]

hard for there not to be a wolf in [boog]

not a typo

expect two of [boog/luco/rong] are non-village aligned.

[daven]

Monster wolf killed.

One of the other 2 vigged, the third?

i'm not sure how/why you claim to think this

monstr - killed by someone with a variable % kill (post 417 - rolling hit dice) = vig or loki
keybored - monstr - killed by someone with a variable % kill (post 418 - rolling hit dice) = vig or loki

-> bankitdrew killed by the wolves.

[daven]

lynch mmm, not close

[daven]

i think i see two explanations for why ong shot keith. one is that hee could have thought that because of everything that went down, it meant keith was a likely special. i don't think what went down with keith suggested he was a special at all, but i can think of why ong may have thought it did. as a wolf, ong's shot was worse than if he's a villager imo and something he is less likely to do as a wolf than villager imo UNLESS he thought keith was a special

the other option is that ong was tired of wolfing (he's gotten it a shitload recently). i think this is more likely than thinking keith is a special

read the following ffs, post 139

ong is wolf imo.
keith was well on the way to getting lynched there, villager ong doesn't use his shot like that. Wolf-ong does - kills two birds with one stone = 1) he gets rid of a known villager early on day 1 and gives the wolves a decent chance of heading into night 1 with two villagers dead, and 2) he gets people calling him lock-villager. Pretty nut outcome for a wolf.

[daven]

time to kill loki imo
ninja edit to add the rescind
Rescind mmm

lynch wuf

[Hoopy]

rescind dhuber

lynch mmm, not close

Interested why you think this daven? I've got MMM as a villager lean due to the decent logic & effort in his posts, particularly #471.

[Hoopy]

I remember a game way back that boog basically won for the wolves by doing something that no wolf would ever do.

[Hoopy]

Just checked back through this forum, it was one of wuf's games where I had to bold gala in a no margin for error situation to avoid being lynched myself.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-191900.html

IIRC boog voted for ong very early on his wagon midgame then held his vote there. Need to check that later on.

[wufwugy]

Just checked back through this forum, it was one of wuf's games where I had to bold gala in a no margin for error situation to avoid being lynched myself.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-191900.html

IIRC boog voted for ong very early on his wagon midgame then held his vote there. Need to check that later on.

yes that was boog's goatwolf move. it's why i dont put any sort of sickness beyond him

[wufwugy]

it was also the way he bolded ong. it was in such a way that if ong was lynched, boog would have been early on the wagon twice. nobody pulled moves like that back then. the only person ive seen do something similar since is gabe, once

[wufwugy]

read the following ffs, post 139

i realized this a couple days ago and agree with it

i also think he wouldn't have rationalized for that path if he hadnt gotten wolf so often so recently

[wufwugy]

lynch rong

this is how he plays wolf, saying he's going to do stuff but not doing it. never providing anything of value. saying "hey dont lynch me guys let me defend" then never defending

if one of rong boog isnt a wolf, things are a little weird. even though i see lots of wolfy reasons to lynch boog, the one fact that if he's a wolf it means he chose to not let the vig get lynched and instead the wolf is good. i feel like it doesnt' hold up if monstr was vanilla, but faced with him being the vig, any wolf would just fistpump the lynch and worry about the optics later

[daven]

ong is not a wolf. if he was, he would know that it is important to save the dayvig shot for parity or a seer candidate. this knowledge would override any idea to make himself look villagery by shooting keith

post 220, once the ong train was underway.
i have no idea how to interpret the trickster loki post by baudi so i'm treating it somewhat null for now pending more information.

wuf is super-non-standard this game

[daven]

daven+drew and one of hoopy/boog

post 304 from ong - would ong list four villagers?

[daven]

lynch rong

this is how he plays wolf, saying he's going to do stuff but not doing it. never providing anything of value. saying "hey dont lynch me guys let me defend" then never defending

if one of rong boog isnt a wolf, things are a little weird. even though i see lots of wolfy reasons to lynch boog, the one fact that if he's a wolf it means he chose to not let the vig get lynched and instead the wolf is good. i feel like it doesnt' hold up if monstr was vanilla, but faced with him being the vig, any wolf would just fistpump the lynch and worry about the optics later

why are you mis-representing what happened around deadline with voting wuf? the part in bold simply didn't happen.
here's a summary for you, just in case you try and continue with the pretence that boog's vote for ong is meaningful

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post 362 ong was on 4 (bid/mmm/gabe/hoopy), monstr on 2 (me/keyb), keybored on 2 (jkds/boog)

post 365 ong votes monstr (moving monstr to 3)
post 369 luco votes me (moving me to 2)
post 384 rong votes monstr (moving monstr to 4)
post 394 boog votes monstr (moving monstr to 5 and first to 5 for the tiebreak)
post 395 monstr claims, post 397 votes ong (moving ong to 5)
post 402 close to deadline luco votes ong (moving ong to 6 and pretty much cementing the lynch)
post 403 boog moves vote to ong - noteworthy that boog was obviously online but chose not to move the lynch to ong until it was a foregone conclusion....
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yeah, we should definitely be lynching one of wuf or boog today. or village dayvig should simply shoot wuf obviously.

[daven]

rescind dhuber

Interested why you think this daven? I've got MMM as a villager lean due to the decent logic & effort in his posts, particularly #471.

i'm terrified of his loki-ness
on re-read he's looking more villager for sure, something stood out and screamed wolf to me earlier and i had retained the read i had made - but it was rendered null by night actions and i didn't click on that initially...

[daven]

Monster wolf killed.

i don't think the wolves would nom the vig over seer hunting.

[daven]

You're fucking Loki. You sided with the wolves. Rescind Rong, Lynch Wuf

this is my gut read too.

[daven]

a good possibility that "loki speaks" only happens after he chooses his alignment. which would mean he chose v

or he chose wolf and you're loki/wolf....

[a500lbgorilla]

Vote count:

3 votes for Boog (gabe, MMM, rong)
2 votes for Rong (Boog, wufwugy)
2 votes for Wufwugy (JKDS, daven)
0 votes for Dhubermex
0 votes for Hoopy
0 votes for Daven
0 votes for Gabe
0 votes for JKDS
0 votes for Luco
0 votes for MadMojoMonkey

Votes outstanding: Dhubermex, Hoopy, Luco

PM me if you see an error at the time of this posting.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Where the righteous fuck is dhubs? Only 2 posts when we're past 550 ITT? This complete lack of interaction is bad for the village.
I can easily vote dhubs.

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What is daven doing here:
In post #275 he bolds me with his "D1 soul read", then rescinds on #280.
and here:
In post #541 he bolds me saying, "Not close," then rescinds in #543.

Both times he votes me with no case, and then rescinds a few posts later. I don't get it.

B rescind dhuber /B

Interested why you think this daven? I've got MMM as a villager lean due to the decent logic & effort in his posts, particularly #471.

i'm terrified of his loki-ness
on re-read he's looking more villager for sure, something stood out and screamed wolf to me earlier and i had retained the read i had made - but it was rendered null by night actions and i didn't click on that initially...

@daven: Who are you talking about in this post?

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If memory serves, daven reads wuf really well, no? Am I making that up?
It's a well established fact that wuf eludes me. I always think he's wolfy, but I don't think I've ever played in a game with him where he was actually a wolf.

I kinda hate my, "The mod told me wuf is a V" argument, because it seems that baud made it clear that Loki delivered the message.

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and not baudib

I mean, it's a piece of work, since ignoring the Loki post would be the exact way to deal with Loki in any literature I've come across. Loki is a liar and a trickster, and revels in mayhem more than anything. Truly a chaotic neutral character.
As such, Loki's opening move would always be the most intriguing, regardless of factual value.
So the post alone is intrigue causing. Establishing the veracity of the post is pure WIFOM.
I choose to not play that game. I choose to not drink that wine.

I think I prefer to ignore the Loki post.

Also, someone once told me to lynch wuf in 2015, but I can't remember who.

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If wuf is W, then how does he take advantage of the Loki post?
If wuf is a V, how does he take advantage?

My gut says that after the Loki post, wuf seemed free to spew his thoughts without filtering them. V-cred.

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I'd rather give some other people a chance to weigh in on wuf, since I have a historically low %-age of correctly reading him. I can easily vote for him on that alone, but it's a low priority motivation. I can keep wuf squarely in my IDK category, but that still leaves boog, dhubs, and rong in my "not much if any V-cred" category. On the whole, I may be allowing myself to be deceived, but I think boog is reading slightly more V than W. I think rong has looked bad, then claimed an incoming defense that hasn't happened.

I like voting with gabe, but I don't like voting with rong. Voting for rong puts me voting with boog and wuf... :/
With boog and rong voting for each other, it kinda makes both lynches less awesome. Maybe not both W's in there.

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When is EOD?

[rong]

Wuf, da fuck are you bolding me after I say I'll be back at a specific time, then saying this is typical wolf me not following through with a promise to do something prior to that time being reached.

Anywho, I'm back now. Need to catch up.

[daven]

What is daven doing here:
In post #275 he bolds me with his "D1 soul read", then rescinds on #280.
and here:
In post #541 he bolds me saying, "Not close," then rescinds in #543.

Both times he votes me with no case, and then rescinds a few posts later. I don't get it.

first time it was cos you felt kinda wolf, and partly because you were being given premature villager status. The kinda wolf feel was due to what seemed possibly opportunistic lynch suggestion on me due to my lack of availability - also, i was away climbing for about 54hrs, anyone notice? my lynch was vague, and i was hoping for a response from someone. After half an hour it was time to mix it up and start thinking more about the ong situation.

second one was due to what felt like a wolf tone in your early day 2 posts, i was in read-through-the-thread mode and posted that early. Rescind was when it was clear there are better day 2 lynches.

@daven: Who are you talking about in this post?

i was talking about you in that post of mine you quoted. I should have been clearer, it was in response to the question i quoted.

If memory serves, daven reads wuf really well, no? Am I making that up?

if you mean i always want to lynch him cos i remain convinced that regardless of his role his lynch is a net positive for the village, then yes. Mostly i don't trust any of his early or mid game reads, that's not a read that's just cos he's never right in early game (he'll agree) but prides himself on redeeming himself in late-game.

I mean, it's a piece of work, since ignoring the Loki post would be the exact way to deal with Loki in any literature I've come across. Loki is a liar and a trickster, and revels in mayhem more than anything. Truly a chaotic neutral character.

that's my plan. Also, i can see benefit to the author in any of the following situations:
author = not wuf and loki, wuf = wolf or wuf = villager
author = wuf and loki, role constant
author = wuf and loki, chosen team = either
author = wolf and wuf = either wolf or villager.

so based on that it's too complex to base any day 2 decisions on - we're going to end up leveling ourselves if we try to do so. As one of many possible scenarios, if loki is someone like hoopy then he'd love to get to endgame with wuf still alive in this situation right? cos it would be easy to generate doubt based on that thread loki content and get a wuf lynch to reach parity and a loki win. or etc.

My gut says that after the Loki post, wuf seemed free to spew his thoughts without filtering them. V-cred.

vs 'ded' vs 'dead' suddenly looks like wuf wrote that post etc.

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my main issue with wuf is his inconsistency in argument and action as per my previous posts regarding his rong/boog 'reads' this page.

[daven]

Wuf, da fuck are you bolding me after I say I'll be back at a specific time, then saying this is typical wolf me not following through with a promise to do something prior to that time being reached.

Anywho, I'm back now. Need to catch up.

got some reads for us rong? i'm pretty close to moving my vote to you...

[daven]

oh, in case i wasn't clear earlier about my reads on night actions.
I don't think wolves would nom the vig, vig is not a super-pro village special role and bid was transparent seer.
i think loki would hit the vig for many reasons, so, yeah, that's my read on it.

monstr vigged keybored
loki/sk vigged monstr
wolves nommed drew

[rong]

Shit came up, ..... Mice and men..... Sorry. Do what you gotta.

[daven]

Shit came up, ..... Mice and men..... Sorry. Do what you gotta.

naught but grief and pain huh, shit happens

[baudib]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

lilrascal is subbing in for dhubermex.

Do not discuss mod decisions.

[daven]

Shit came up, ..... Mice and men..... Sorry. Do what you gotta.

given that your wagon consists of two of the players i'm most suspicious of i'm not gonna vote for you today..

[MadMojoMonkey]

vs 'ded' vs 'dead' suddenly looks like wuf wrote that post etc.

You're missing my point.

My point is screw the Loki post's content.
Something happened that indicated wuf was conf. V. Wuf did stuff.

Is the stuff wuf did (up to the point of this conversation) consistent with a free-thinking, off the cuff, wuf?
Or is in indicative of a series of "careful not to say XXXX or YYYY" kind of posts?

@gabe:
You gave wuf a V-lean for 1 paragraph ITT, and seem the most qualified on this subject. Do you have anything on the tone-read here?

(In the mean time, gabe helped bag Ong, so I'm trusting his read on wuf over my own WIFOM.)

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When is EOD?

[MadMojoMonkey]

oh, in case i wasn't clear earlier about my reads on night actions.
I don't think wolves would nom the vig, vig is not a super-pro village special role and bid was transparent seer.
i think loki would hit the vig for many reasons, so, yeah, that's my read on it.

monstr vigged keybored
loki/sk vigged monstr
wolves nommed drew

DUDE.


Dude.

monstrman (Thor) was killed by a hail of daggers (multiple killers = Frost Giants = wolves).

keybored (Torstein) was killed by monstrman (Thor's hammer), possibly with the assistance of the targeter:
"The two longtime friends had agreed. The watchful god illuminated the figure in the darkness, and his wounded ally threw a mighty hammer."

BID (Odin) had his heart ripped out - sounds like the SK's work to me.

dude.


Granted, the "assistance" could well have been Loki... maybe Thor and Loki are longtime "friends"... :/

[baudib]

EOD is 11 pm

[MadMojoMonkey]

So we're seriously going into EOD2 with 3 people not voting?

lilrascal gets a pass, obv. (I see 5 posts in the WW spam thread, I'm guessing lilrascal is locked out 'till tomorrow.)

Luco and Hoopy, though? I know it's the weekend, but you gotta vote.

[baudib]

Day is over


3 votes for Boog (gabe, MMM, rong)
2 votes for Rong (Boog, wufwugy)
2 votes for Wufwugy (JKDS, daven)


Send corrections ASAP.

[baudib]

:::::hamsters still spinning:::::::

::::::full-scan analysis almost complete::::::

[baudib]

[baudib]

[baudib]

Boog has been lynched.

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You are Sigrun, a Valkyrie in the service of Odin. You bring the souls of dead warriors to Valhalla to dine with the gods.

You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.


You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

Actions must be submitted by 11 a.m. to be in effect for N2.

[baudib]

::::rolling hit dice::::::

MadMojoMonkey was found torn in two.

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You are theLady Sif. You are beloved of Thor and live on Asgard.

You are a vanilla villager and win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

[baudib]

Keith, a vanilla villager, shot Day 1
OngBonga, a wolf day vig, lynched Day 1
Monstrman, a village vig, killed Night 1
Keybored, a vanilla villager, killed Night 1
BankItDrew, a village seer, killed Night 1
Boog, a vanilla villager, lynched Day 2
MadMojoMonkey, a vanilla villager, killed Night 2


The Living
Daven
Gabe
Hoopy
JKDS
lilrascal
Luco
Rong
Wufwugy

2 Frost Giants
1 Trickster God
5 Vikings


IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.

Day 3 will end Midnight Tuesday (Wednesday morning).

[Luco]

gg boog and mojo. the nom is a smart attempt to cut off the head, mojo was putting in the hours so was clearly dangerous

village needs a new leader and as im virtually cleared i think i need to step up and start shouting.

will read through and post thoughts

[baudib]

THE BLIND SEER SPEAKS



"You fools! Spurning the gifts of the gods! Fate is cruelly ironic. Your enemies will not make the same mistake."

[Hoopy]

Brief explanation of why I wasn't there end of yesterday. I was meant to be back home earlier so I could check the thread before going to bed, but some RL stuff came up that was quite stressful. Consequently I got back late and just went to bed forgetting about the thread.

[wufwugy]

is there a way to search for words by certain posters. like if i wanna see how many times baud said "wuf", how would i do that?

[wufwugy]

sorry you got gat boog. at least i saw the light and got off by the end

you too mmm. you looked pretty village

[Hoopy]

MMM was playing like a solid villager and wasn't really suspected by anyone so I guess the night kill isn't surprising.

Good to see that dhuber has been replaced as he was dead weight so far this game.

[Luco]

the blind seer translation - wolves have been given a power role.

[Luco]

jkds and rong are unlikely wolves together. that hyper defense of rong was either genuine (right or wrong), or a wolf trying to strawman.

v unlikely that a wolf went into such exaggerated detail to defend a fellow wolf

[Luco]

im not sure that rong is a wolf. i think hed feel bad playing wolf like this.

[Luco]

wuf, tell me where your head is at

[rong]

I feel bad playing villager like this! I just lack time. You need at least an hour daily to dedicate to the game and I'm struggling to find it. Like now, I have 10 mins free, I can post, but I can't go back and read and analyse and look for connections. It makes me borderling useless. I shouldn't sign up. But on those games where life ends up conveniently fitting in with the game I love it, so I continuously sign up in the hope I'll get lucky and be able to play.

[rong]

I should get an hour later on. But then I should have got an hour last night.

[lilrascal]

Post 1 of 5 for Monday.

Hello, I'm new to this site, but not to werewolf. Apparently I'm limited to 5 posts today (IRL Monday) and 5 posts tomorrow (IRL Tuesday). So I plan to make them count as much as possible. I'll try and remember to put a counter into the start of each post until my limit is lifted.

This is not my normal style of posting, so it is not role indicative either way. I don't usually have long posts in a werewolf game as I prefer to interact freely with other players so that I can make my reads as I'm better at tone reading thru interaction, but at least for this game day, I will have to adjust.

I've read thru the thread and the style here is different than what I'm used to, so please bear with me.

Here's my reads on the current players:

Daven - Strong Villa lean, first one to go after wolf Ong for his vig and likely BID's peek
Luco - Strong Villa lean, helped push the Ong vote over the top to get the lynch, so good D1, D2 could have been better
Hoopy - Villa lean, primarily based on D1 vote analysis, D2 could have been better
lilrascal - Lock Villa, I know I'm villa and will work to prove it to the rest of you

JKDS - Neutral, nothing has stood out as villa or wolfy

That leaves the wolves and the Serial Killer (SK) in the rest. I got there 2 ways, first in making my reads I had all three as wolfy. Second, as I'm making this post they fall out as the wolves through Process of Elimination (POE).

Based on posts I can't see Rong and Wuf as w/w. That leaves one of them as the wolf and the other as the SK.

Gabe - Wolf lean, no real content in his posts and he only voted a single time each day not bothering to take the flow of the thread into account which can definitely be a wolf trait.
Rong - Wolf lean, Rong's the only player to vote for 2 villas at each EOD. Also, I haven't noticed any villa things that he's done.
Wufwugy - Wolf lean, his thoughts have been all over the place. Wuf was also pushing for a Keith kill, which as was pointed out by others, not a villa thing to do. If I had to guess, I'd say Wuf is more likely to be Loki than a wolf.

[wufwugy]

Rong and Hoopy are the only players who are firmly in their wolf ranges

Here's the one and only time Hoopy has mentioned "Rong" all game

The Mrs has left her dress her home, cue small emotional breakdown, now off to buy a new one (fuck my bank balance) so I' now attempting to get 3yr old and 5yr old girls dressed and hair done. This means two things. 1, they won't look good. and 2. My day in ww is done, probably.

With the dress fiasco, draining of his bank balance and trying to get little kids to look presentable I fear the pressure of a bandwagon may cause rong to snap and turn into a gibbering lunatic.

Might hop on, we'll see.

This is particularly weird since Rong has been a big name for lynching, yet Hoops hasn't even mentioned it

Meanwhile, Rong has said "Hoopy" zero times. Count it: zero. All game. I'm pretty sure JV once caught a wolf this way. I think it was NightGizmo but it may have been teh Hoopster. It's a classic mistake of wolves to simply forget to talk about each other

Given that only one person who voted Monstr is left alive and there are two wolves, it means one of the wolves was either on Ong or nobody significant. Go over Rong's voting history, he has consistently voted for the wrong lynches. He was on Monstr and Boog to their deaths. Likewise, everybody who voted for Rong is either a dead villager, a person who is likely confirmed not-wolf (Luco), and me.

This is a little convenient opening for Rong given I opened the game with saying Rong should be policy-lynched

Wolf ong shouldn't kill Keith there. It's too useful a weapon. That said, if wolf ong doesn't do it there and waits for a better moment he probably has to out himself as a wolf to use it, so it was possibly the one chance a wolf gets to day vig without looking like a wolf.

And Keith was always always always a villager there.

There has been no mechanics and balance criticism from wuf on his usual villager style.

Every game since I can remember I know wuf is a villager on day one, today I don't. I'd lynch him for that alone.

lynch wuf

Here's the Hoopy post I thought had loads of wolfing "tells" in it

I'm trying to wrap my head around Ong's play.

keith would not self lynch as a wolf, there's no benefit at all to his team. So really the only thing he could have been was a frustrated regular villager.

baudib choosing to sub him rather than kill gave us a confirmed VV. Good for the village because it forces the wolves to waste a kill on him at some point.

Why would villager Ong shoot him knowing this? Then again why would wolf Ong use the power now when it has way more impact later in the game?

Either way seems FPS is present.

Then this

Feels like a wolf trying to be very tricky atm.

lynch Ong

Then me

i thought i was on rong

doesnt matter now. i may have a couple tells on teh hoopster that he dropped just now

lynch hoops

Then Ong

I'm with wuf, hoopy is wolfy. It's taken hoopy some time to decide I'm a wolf for killing keith, it feels like he was waiting to see how much momentum is against me before deciding which side of the fence to sit on. Gabe otoh feels a lot more sincere with his vote on me. I feel like hoopy has reacted to gabe's vote and feels the time is right to jump on board.

lynch hoopy

Then Ong questions it

I'm curious though wuf, how the hell do you have tells on hoopy? That's like having tells on you. I can't remember hoopy being wolf. I'm sure he has been but I couldn't tell you when, let alone recall his tendancies.

Not from just this, but I was going over it so I figured I'd post it, but I am not convinced Hoopy ever thought Ong was a wolf. The lack of Hoopy/Rong interaction or mere mentioning is too much. The fact that they're both more in their wolf ranges than anybody else is too much

Rong and Hoopy for the finals

lynch rong

[rong]

Can you also count how many times I've said each of the other names, I believe that's quite relevant here.

Also hey new guy.

[wufwugy]

Can you also count how many times I've said each of the other names, I believe that's quite relevant here.

Also hey new guy.

I care more that you have been a big target for lynching yet Hoopy never mentioned you

[wufwugy]

im not sure that rong is a wolf. i think hed feel bad playing wolf like this.

I think he played wolf just like this last game, and I don't think he would feel bad about it. His wolfing style last game was to sit back and let things happen

[rong]

So you think both hoopy and I are two wolves and then forget to interact. Dude, I'm quite good at wolfin! I'm pretty sure that would never happen.

[rong]

I feel bad for my team regardless of role.

[rong]

I see new guy has wuf as likely serial killer. What's the general take on the blind seer or w/e it was that cleared him?

I'm ok with using that as reason to consider him a villager because wuf hates anything he sees as unfair and clearing himself in that fashion and going on to win would prob leave him suicidal.

[wufwugy]

wuf, tell me where your head is at

gabe was right about why to clear you. ofc not total clear, but for the most part

gabe looks like a villager. if he's a wolf he's playing a much different game, but he could be a wolf.

didnt you guys say daven was bid's lookup? i glanced at it and it could be either daven or ong. im not worrying about him now for that reason. also im weary of the way i normally read him, so i think he's probably a villager

dhubs is imo way out of his wolf range. he did this the last game when he was vil. hey maybe he does it as a wolf too, but i suspect if he's wolf he would have been sure to call himself Vanilla Villager like normal. besides there is nothing to go on with him

jkds could be a wolf but we have very little to go on with him too

ive got hoopy and rong. that team definitely makes sense

[rong]

Wuf, op said he got a villager peek. Or at least that was my interpretation.