Ultimate Werewolf

[daven]

At least you're back to old form. It's partly because after I called you out and you retreated that I knew you were a wolf. Vildaven never retreats from those obtuse posts I made. But it's too late. You already showed your hand

like i said, you can't read me at all.

[daven]

i'm confident enough that wuf is a wolf that i reckon we should wagon him vs me, and if you lynch me then you can auto-lynch wuf the next day.

[wufwugy]

i'm confident enough that wuf is a wolf that i reckon we should wagon him vs me, and if you lynch me then you can auto-lynch wuf the next day.

funny how in the past you fucking haaaaaaaaaaated me for suggesting a vs wagon.

[wufwugy]

like i said, you can't read me at all.

i read you just dandy in the deadwolf game

[Keybored]

Here are the big battles:
Keith vs Keybored
Gabe vs Monstr
Baud vs Rong
Wuf vs Daven

Here's the neutrals:
Luco vs ??
Aubrey vs ??
BID vs ??
Dhuber vs ??

Here's the absent:
Bigred vs lolcats
JKDS vs the law

I like a good battle but not when ppl start putting the blinders on. Duke it out, but keep an open mind.

Being neutral is generally a personality trait. But in WW you've gotta expand yourself. Take chances with ppl.

Remaining absent is a drag on the village or an outright wolf ploy.
--JKDS, I give you a pass for claiming skool hardship. I think we can all relate. But if it's going to continue to hurt the game, you should PM the Hoopster. But if you're using that excuse to hide your role, then that's totally uncool.
--Bigred, get in the game dude. lolcats get old, real quick.

[wufwugy]

and yes let's have a wuf-vs-daven-off

i will enjoy this

just dont cinch me before i can make my final post. i dont give a shit if you cinch him

[Keith]

The MMM Wagon:
KEITH (camped out all day, only to pull out last minute)
WUF (camped out nearly all day after a meaningless early snap vote on Dhub)
DHUBER (one/only bold all day)
RONG (one/only bold all day)
AUBREY (one/only bold all day)
BID (one/only bold all day)
DAVEN (bolded end of day)
ONG (cinch vote)

So, MMM had a bad rap coming into this game. Got it, but it’s bad for the village to lynch someone solely because of a grudge. Yah, the guy acted a fool early but that behavior lasted <9hrs. He self-recognized a bad move and was back to himself rest of the day. Whereupon, he made a good case that showed absolutely no wolf and he continued to hunt along with the village. I bolded him early but I moved on after he sobered up.

However, despite ppl on the wagon stating that he was probably a villager, they continued to camp out. Even when Baud, Monstr, Luco and I defended him and we asked ppl to start wolf hunting instead.

Many think day-1 isn’t a huge deal and that there’s never enough to work with conclusively; so, let’s just lynch whomever. But that’s a copout, especially given the familiarity within FTR. And 700 posts is plenty of info to go on. If you’re a villager interested in killing wolves, then STOP voting to lynch ppl you don’t think are wolves...

Keith: Vows pregame to snap-lynch MMM and does. “MMM is going to be a distraction on later days. (#402)”

Rong: “Instinctively wanna lynch mmm…he's playing well, not actually like a wolf, but like someone who gets lynched. So maybe he's not a wolf. (#69)” “To be clear he's sold me he's a villager but he has to go for pulling the trick in the first place. (#194)” “I wanna lynch mmm in spite of the majority of his behavior falling into the villagery side of things. (#500)” “He's posted a lot since then and I find him less wolfy now than I did then. (#501)”

BID: “I agree with rong regarding MMM (#70)” “I'm good with an MMM lynch (#220)” “Gonna make this real easy. lynch mmm (#242)” “re:MMM He'll be a distraction in future days where he'll be the reason for a wagon every day. (#400)”

Wuf: “Villagers who pretend to be anything other than villagers are only making the wolves' job easier. (#196)” “I'm posting like d1 is done. Because it is. Under which circumstances will we not lynch MMM? I'm just waiting for the death of the person I want lynched. (#353)” “TBH I just skimmed over the last two pages. I feel like we're doing way too much. We already have way more than enough to kill MMM. So let's kill MMM today (#590)”

Aubrey: “Jumped on MMM 'cause MMM made himself super easy target. (#227)” “for now I will jump on the mmm bandwagon because I am curious to see what comes of that (#241)” “I know I voted for mmm but I agree with this (Keybored), because he's (MMM’s) def scapegoat. (#420)” “i want to rescind MMM but i can't decide who i would like to put my vote on (#563)”

Ong: “…mojo is scapegoaty. I sense there's an element of punishment for his final day self-vote last game…I don't see anything better today…If it's a mislynch, well that's what normally happens d1 anyway, so it's not a disaster. (#314)” “I'm gonna go on record and say I think mojo is a villager. (#381)” “I don't think the mojo situation does need to be resolved. I did, but I don't now. I think when we can talk about optimal cursed stratgey a little more openly, people will realise that mojo is unlikely to be cursed. (#612)” “mojo reads villager…Looks like mojo is our man. I'm not thrilled with it but it seems better than… (#647)”

Dhubs: “I'm not really concerned about whether MMM flips V or W…regardless of how MMM flips the major distraction is out of the way. (#317)” “…take a Day #1 lynch next game but just put it behind you and move forward. I'm personally uncomfortable reaching even mid-game with him even if he is a Villager. MMM-Villager is going to be -EV for the Village this match due to recent memories (#380)”

Are we supposed to be impressed with this ? WOW, you had a whole day and you took some quotes about what the people voting for MMM said about him .Do you think this makes you look like a villager?. We all know he died because of his actions at the end of last game and start of this game where he implied that he was cursed. That just demonstrated his lack of judgement and as a result he had to die.

Why not put your name in the list for where you acted and voted for him along with reason for getting off the wagon instead of hiding a brief mention in the text ?Why not analyse how the voting looked at the point that you got off his wagon? All the time you spent on this could have been spent doing something constructive , like answering my #560 ,#625post where i bolded you originally, but you refused to address the points i made.

Look at your comments about why i got off MMM's wagon

The MMM Wagon:
KEITH (camped out all day, only to pull out last minute)

LAST MINUTE????? bollocks !!! I got off MMMs wagon because i found evidence of you saying one thing and doing the opposite. You were lieing , and you have had plenty of time to think of an explanation , so how about explaining it to the village. Theres no MMM wagon to distract us now , the village can concentrate on what you have to say.

lets look at this post

Tomorrow, Keith. Nobody cares about our tiff right now.

FWIF, here's how my d2 is looking (barring any crazy kills dynamics): In pregame, you preannounced an MMM vote, then flipped wolf this game, then shat yourself when MMM wigged out early, thus started an easy wagon, and got your buds to join in on the free/easy lynch that couldn't possibly be backtracked. But MMM didn't roll over; in fact, he stood tall. Then I started a Daven wagon which got steam. Then I pointed out who I thought was a wolf sitting on MMM, and that you started it. Now both you and Rong are freaking out on me.

But nobody else is giving a shit about our battle right now and I recognized that.
So I try to avoid being a distraction and ask for a temp truce.
But you MOVE YOUR VOTE??
FFS
How's that not a distraction?
Show us you're working for the village.
"u out me, so i bold u" is not productive.
Put your vote in the game where it matters.

Again touting the theme that "i got my wolf buddies to hop on MMMs wagon and get it rolling" . The early MMM votes were me (before he pulled his lone wolf shit so how am i supposed to" shit myself when he wigged out early") , wuf dhuber and you. now obviously you are gonna claim you aren't one of my supposed wolf buddies , and dhuber wasn't on your list list either, so how am i supposed to be getting my buddies to jump on early. You are making a weak argument stretch a long way trying to target me. Now its backfired on you because i am focused on you and showing all your contradictions up and you haven't got a clue how to answer without it showing you can only be a wolf.

Look at the end of that quote, the best you can come up with is that you said I was a wolf , so i bolded you . Rubbish , I bolded you because what you said were lies that didn't tally with the evidence and i have shown the discrepencies.You were acting with an agenda and you refuse to explain yourself.

LYNCH KEYBORED

[wufwugy]

BTW, to give dues to the point Ong was trying to make, I think the ultimate result points towards Daven being a wolf. Ong kept asking "why wasn't MMM cinched if Daven is a wolf?" Well, here we are in a situation where Daven's wagon got really close to but never broke against MMM. If the wolves were thinking and active in the process, like Ong suggested they were, then this is exactly what the wagon dynamics would look like

Granted, I don't think the wolves were active in it. There's just three of them. One was probably on Daven already, one was probably on MMM, and one was probably picking his butthole.

[monstrman]

there was a post by monstr i read when the thread was locked that made me want to lynch him too. Basically saying he had no time to devote to this game cos some other game? while continuing to look like a wolf.

I wonder how badly you can misrep that post which absolutely does not say "I have no time to devote to this game" but rather "I am far more invested in the other game atm but I will post here as much as I can" with "I will post here as much as I can" being the key phrase.

I don't think you understand exactly how much devotion goes into playing on Pog because you pretty much have to be in the thread 24/7 and I'm sorry that this game is taking a backseat but thems the breaks sometimes.

[wufwugy]

Pog sounds like a hellhole

[monstrman]

i'm confident enough that wuf is a wolf that i reckon we should wagon him vs me, and if you lynch me then you can auto-lynch wuf the next day.

You're gonna have to walk me through why lynching you would make us autolynch wuf tomorrow

[Keith]

Here are the big battles:
Keith vs Keybored
Gabe vs Monstr
Baud vs Rong
Wuf vs Daven

Here's the neutrals:
Luco vs ??
Aubrey vs ??
BID vs ??
Dhuber vs ??

Here's the absent:
Bigred vs lolcats
JKDS vs the law

I like a good battle but not when ppl start putting the blinders on. Duke it out, but keep an open mind.

if you like a good battle so much , why don't you actually answer the points i've made about you

Being neutral is generally a personality trait. But in WW you've gotta expand yourself. Take chances with ppl.

Remaining absent is a drag on the village or an outright wolf ploy.
--JKDS, I give you a pass for claiming skool hardship. I think we can all relate. But if it's going to continue to hurt the game, you should PM the Hoopster. But if you're using that excuse to hide your role, then that's totally uncool.
--Bigred, get in the game dude. lolcats get old, real quick.

lmfao , are you kidding me ? remember this post

being a quitter is one thing , but encouraging bigred to post lolcats is a step too far. Also wtf with MMM posting the same minute that hoopy posted OP. Over eager wolf excited over his role PM .

lynch MMM

you know the one where my supposed wolf buddies then piled on (but not there when wagon is examined more closely) because i was supposedly taking a cheap shot at a weak player but now you say the same thing about bigred posting lolcats. Don't you see the hypocrisy in your post.

[Keybored]

Keith...I'm not interested in a prolonged back/forth with you for the next 72 hrs. You've made your case. I just hope you can keep your eyes open for the rest of this period and look at the next several hundred posts objectively. You tunneling all day will only hurt the cause even more and after awhile it tends to make ppl's eyes glaze over anyway. People will do what they think is right with what they've seen between us.

[bigred]

BigRed, why so certain on Aubrey?

I don't think certain is the right word. Just a hunch as her play seems off. Gotta bold someone.

[Keybored]

@Daven: You're gonna have to walk me through why lynching you would make us autolynch wuf tomorrow

Yeah...kinda curious myself. Howz that go?

[baudib]

BR, can you expand on your read? I have no experience with Aubrey and had her close to the villagery topness because I thought she was game-solvey. I admit that Aubrey lurking online and never coming back to the thread is #NOTAGOODLOOK

[bigred]

BR, can you expand on your read? I have no experience with Aubrey and had her close to the villagery topness because I thought she was game-solvey. I admit that Aubrey lurking online and never coming back to the thread is #NOTAGOODLOOK

Well brah like she's totally all whatever and like stupid suspicious and like jonas brothers

[bigred]

But she was non existent until I called her out and then super showed up while monitoring thread whole time. that was my day 1 read

[baudib]

That's right I remember that, I even said there were a couple of Beetlejuice moments.

[Keybored]

Check it, y'all. In the early hours of this game there's obv not a ton of shit to give solid reads about. So most folks are swinging away. Now, if you're a seasoned batter, those swings sometimes make solid contact. But if you're a novice or even a seasoned bad batter, then you're not likely to hit something. This is why in the early innings I like to sometimes revert to psychology as a performance-enhancing-draw (PED). BTW, I just made that up and you have my permish to use it. Anyway, take a minute to follow along with me.

Below are the FIRST and/or SECOND posts of the game by every player.
I didn't go beyond 1or2 posts cuz everyone was down to business thereafter.

I've divided the posts into two camps: Happy-Happy-Howdy-Y'all & Let's Fucking Do This.
Each camp is listed in the order of that person's appearance in the game.

For reference, post #1 happened at 3:58pm/17th.

Here's the Happy-Happy intros...

MoMo's first 2 posts look serious but were in the opening 7 mins of the game...
#2@3:58pm/17th--

lynch baudib for inactivity

#6@4:05pm/17th--

Does that mean I need to revote? I'm still suspicious that baudib is being so quiet. I'm getting a village lean on dhubs.

Dhuber says gl...
#5@4:04pm/17th--

Yay! I missed the daily WW routine. Yet another Vanilla role for me but I like being Vanilla. Good luck fellow Villagers!

Baud gives mod love and claims first to post...
#9@4:12pm/17th--

Hoopy seems villagery.

#10@4:15pm/17th--

first

Wuf be hatin' on Barry O...
#15@4:41pm/17th--

wtf who is the wuf fool who thinks barry o should get a third term. dude should get negative two terms. keybored one is the best, kid.

KB's lookin' for cards...
#18@4:58pm/18th--

I promise not to drop a single "kid" reference; it's the least I can do. FYI, I'm still buttsore from CigButt, life-tilted on Baudib, and ALWAYS think Dhuber's a wolf! Let's shuffle up and deal, y'all...

Luco likes Da Kid...
#19@5:02pm/17th--

Hey kid

Ong is probly high...
#32@6:06pm/17th--

God that reads so wolfy. Too wolfy to be wolf, right?

#33@6:11pm/17th--

Haha MMM got wolf and he's already been found out. Good luck buddy.

#34@6:12pm/17th--

So...

Monstah sez glgl...
#61@9:59pm/17th--

Hi my name is monstrman and I'm super spazzy and likely to contradict myself within five minutes of posting something. I don't have any meta on any of you so I'm probably gonna just shoot from the hip and see where my shots land. glglgl villabros

Rong is a tough cookie. So I'm putting his neutral opening lines in the Happy-Happy camp. Cuz damn that dude's ruff.
#65@1:02am/18th--

Is the tough guy a villager? I thought that was a wolf role but colours in mods post make it look like a villager role. This may have been answered already, I'm on post 6 or something.

#66@1:07am/18th--

Jesus fuck I need to Google the roles.

Bigred wants more pictures and rainbows...
#219@8:14pm/18th--

Done reading day 1. Props to Luco for the batman gif. Why don't more people communicate via pictures? GFY to ong for the bigred vote. Why not communicate via pictures? Rong trying real hard on a villagery vibe with his tough guy questions.

#222@8:58pm/18th--

Only read first post so far. What's a zimmerframe and how do I thank it for finally finishing the job? Also, did you know you don't have to use the mobile version when browsing this site from your phone? I didn't. I didn't figure it out until I gave up trying to load page 1 and it loaded page 2 instead like 20 times. You our guys see all these facts I'm filled with? Tons of facts. Super useful. Let's find some wolves and maybe some sun for the comet lander? Poor guy. All alone.

Aubrey is new to me but combining her first 2 posts gives a mostly Happy-Happy read...
#227@9:22pm/18th--

wat. also regarding Rong: -- First post is about needing to google the roles, followed by speculation. This is kind of neutral, but rong is shrewd enough to play this card right if he's a wolf. -- Jumped on MMM 'cause MMM made himself super easy target. There must be at least one wolf taking advantage of that. Hmmmmmm. I really hate day 1, or maybe I just really hate to think too hard. WW is clearly the game for me! ok more figurative beard twirling as i parse through this shit

#229@9:29pm/18th--

the visual summation of all my internet fights, applies here too

Now, here's the camp of those jumping into the game Full Throttle...

#29@5:48pm/17th--

being a quitter is one thing , but encouraging bigred to post lolcats is a step too far. Also wtf with MMM posting the same minute that hoopy posted OP. Over eager wolf excited over his role PM. lynch MMM

#44@6:45pm/17th--

Seriously though, why is your behavior like this? I'd expect you to remain the same, or be bitter/upset over last game's comments. If not a wolf, whats the deal?

#54@7:19pm/17th--

sure you aren't the miller or tough guy? ja Lynch dhubermex

thinking of rescinding and getting on ong...

#62@10:18pm/17th--

Welcome to the game monstrman. I hope you don't have any plans irl this week because this game can be consuming but very enjoyable I too, noticed the MMM 180 on attitude towards the game. This coupled with his desire to ragequit makes him my fav lynch target right now. I too, agree with some folks about dhuber and his initial appearance as a villager, again, and again. Pretty annoying with the villager talk by him every game but at least he's consistent. The problem with this is that it's such a massive thing to have if he flipped wolf. For this reason, I strongly suggest a dhuber lookup by the seer. absolutely no other info on anyone yet.

#63@12:19am/18th--

lynch monstrman he'll be impossible to read. he's already less likely to be lynched early (which if he is completely random role, is +ev for the wolf side)

I don't claim to have any psychology training or experience in my life. But these two opposite styles of opening lines may shed some insight into the mindset of those who are Wolves on the kill path versus the sheepish Villagers. This is just a little seed to plant in your nugget. You decipher on your own.

PS...Don't bust my ballz cuz I'm not gonna defend. This is just a bunch of cut/pasting.

[BankItDrew]

Keith...I'm not interested in a prolonged back/forth with you for the next 72 hrs.

In keith we trust

lynch keybored

[rong]

Ong wasn't a huge surprise, he was coming accroas more villagery than usual and there has been no obvious village leader to take out.

Err keyboard, you mixed up your quotes of mine, one of those was about Daven.

Daven, "confirmed villagers"? What?

@ Daven, so you actually thought mmm was likely a wolf?

Also @ Daven, why would jkds be high up the wolf kill list when he has hardly even posted?

[JKDS]

I skimmed a bunch. I noticed these things.

Keybored is acting different. This doesnt feel like the same keybored from last game. Its more cocky, less wishywashy. That could be role indicative, or it could be an ego-boost from last game + coaching. Im not sure yet. I dont know what villager keybored looks like.

Its also curious that daven was pushing ong, and that wuf thinks ong was a special.

@Keith: From what I read, I cant find these three questions you put to keybored. What post was that?

[JKDS]

Fuck it, im too sleepy. I'll try and figure out this wagon stuff tomorrow morning

[baudib]

I'm at a loss right now because I was pretty certain I'd be pushing Daven. He came in with a bit of fire but I'm still not liking his thought process. The Ong nom is weighing on my mind a bit.

It seems impossible that Daven-Wuf are W-W and I think there will be exactly 1 wolf there a huge % of the time.

My reads are very fluid atm and if I took my usual tact of spraying my thoughts in the thread as the occur it will be confusing so I'm going to think and read some more.

[BankItDrew]

Its also curious that daven was pushing ong, and that wuf thinks ong was a special.

rescind

lynch JKDS

JKDS is too smart to know that this info doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Keybored is a wolf too.

[Luco]

GG ong.

We've already got people squaring off today - wuf / daven and keith / key

I think wuf/daven is more likely v/v than keith/key looking at how their bickering has developed.

#741

@keybored

be careful about posting before the Mod announces Day. if you're a villager we don't need you getting modkilled again

I agree with a lot of the sentiments you've expressed. I'm pretty much in the camp of "don't ever lynch a villager, no matter how bad they are."

like lynching people who haven't posted who are likely to be vanillagers is terrible, I've always railed against that thinking on D1. lynching them if it means that AFKing makes them more likely to be a wolf, then sure. it's one of the reasons I was convinced Wuf was a wolf a few games ago because he just insisted on lynching the inactives.

still though, sometimes you have to accept that the village is going to take the path of least resistance.

I don't mind lynching inactives D1, it makes sense for a lot of reasons. But I won't lynch someone who I think is villager.

gabe is still alive, just putting it out there...
and jkds
jkds was one of ong's wolf-reads, and he would have been among my options for night kill target if i was a wolf

Yeah wolf points for gabe every day that he survives a nom and also he was generally unimpressive yesterday. But why jkds? If he's V then you're what, special hunting? gambling that he might wake up?

I wonder how badly you can misrep that post which absolutely does not say "I have no time to devote to this game" but rather "I am far more invested in the other game atm but I will post here as much as I can" with "I will post here as much as I can" being the key phrase.

I don't think you understand exactly how much devotion goes into playing on Pog because you pretty much have to be in the thread 24/7 and I'm sorry that this game is taking a backseat but thems the breaks sometimes.

I like the tone of this post. Sounds more like villagery defense than wolfy defense... to be honest

Keybored #770 - Stop doing this. You're quoting a whole bunch of people's posts but not really commenting on them yourself, just inviting others to do it for you. You've already done it more than once today, don't do it. We've all seen that you can do ridiculous spade work as a wolf so digging don't get you squat unless you can tell us what you think you found

Also, I asked you twice about your 'this is NOT vanilla daven' post but never got a reply, So I went and checked. This is your 4th game:
Game 1 - V, no daven
Game 2 - v, no daven
Game 3 - W, daven nommed n2 after 25 posts

So you don't exactly have tons of experience with vanilla daven. Also, why did you say 'vanilla' and not 'villager' i.e. "this is NOT villager daven'? Something about that word choice sits wrong with me.

[Keith]

@JKDS #560 and #625

@keybored back and forth implies you actually answering. You are acting like a caught a wolf. the post above with all the timings again looks like something prepared during the night. Again why spend all that time posting irrelevent stuff and no time preparing an answer to the points i made. Yesterday you said we could "discuss" it today , now you don't want to discuss it today.

[baudib]

wuf is a wolf if mojo and daven are both villagers, that I'm 95% sure about.

So maybe spending too much time thinking about the Ong nom is..wait for it...wait for it...

WIFOM

Ong's nom is decent from a straight-up value kill, especially if he has any special equity.

Here are some Ong posts that seem relevant:

There's a thrid possibility -

c) daven was the third wolf to join the mojo wagon, meaning there're relying on a villager to finish it.

I don't think that's particularly outrageous. It's a matter of time before we get a wolf team with the confidence to blatantly be on the same wagon. But it's still probably in the "flopping a boat" range of improbabilities.

[baudib]

Shout out to MMM, he wanted us to refer to this after he flipped.

Yeah. Keith attacks like a rabid dog, and that's not role indicative to me.

This is my 5th game. I think Keith has aggro'd on me in every game. Something about me just rubs Keith the wrong way. I've never played a W, but he always sees me as wolf. Why Keith? Why you make the same mistake over and over again?

***
baud, Luco, dhubs are the 99% (villagers). Probably key, too.

Less than 99% V:
Probably monstrman, but only because I trust baud is V, and baud is vouching for him.
I like bigred as V, but it'll take a lot more in-game activity from him to tell.

You'd think I'd have a personal mandate to never be fooled by key again after last game, and you'd be right. I'm reading signs that he's not just sheeping the thread and following along... he's not even remotely playing the noob card (which no one would believe after last game anyway). Key deserves to be on equal footing with my other Villager picks, but I just can't bring myself to place a strong opinion on key during D1. Not so soon after he bamboozled me so thoroughly.

***
I don't like the way gabe is tunneling monstrman, but all we have to go on is baud's word for now. I don't like the notion of gunning for a new player on D1. I think we are all better served, regardless of role, to let him show some colors before we lynch. Otherwise, we're stuck in the same position next game he plays. No one will know how to read him since he only posted in 1 game on D1.

His whole, "lol, I forgot" is pretty lynch-worthy, though. It's severely anti-village, even if it's not wolfy.

***
BID is capable of more than he's given us thus far. Same for JKDS. Same for aubrey. Same for ong.

I'm lost for a read on rong.

I feel like wuf has slowly worked himself back to neutral with me.
Will double check.

I'm still happy with my vote on daven.

[Luco]

rescind

lynch JKDS

JKDS is too smart to know that this info doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Keybored is a wolf too.

holy shit something resembling an insight from drew.

Print it, frame it, hang it on the wall

[baudib]

One thing I want to say about MMM...being on the other side of him last game, I was very impressed with his play. Especially his very early play. I think he also read my spew correctly at first, but as the game grinded on, he got frustrated by the lack of activity from other villagers and sort of leveled himself.

I was first in the dead thread and one thing I did to not spew any info was to just auto protect MMM, because I assumed the villagers would think that the wolves would think he would always be protected and that he was never gonna get lynched anyway.

[Luco]

I'm at a loss right now because I was pretty certain I'd be pushing Daven. He came in with a bit of fire but I'm still not liking his thought process. The Ong nom is weighing on my mind a bit.

It seems impossible that Daven-Wuf are W-W and I think there will be exactly 1 wolf there a huge % of the time.

My reads are very fluid atm and if I took my usual tact of spraying my thoughts in the thread as the occur it will be confusing so I'm going to think and read some more.

Ive got to give daven a v lean for wagonomics. It would have been more informative if he'd pulled ahead in votes at any point yesterday, but even so the last couple hours are telling.

Yes you can say the wolves were already parked but I still have to give him a v lean for it. You could also argue that not all wolves were around at end of d1 but this is discounted somewhat if daven is a wolf. You cant even say timezones imo because all of usa / europe could have feasibly been online.

[Keith]

Keith...I'm not interested in a prolonged back/forth with you for the next 72 hrs. You've made your case. I just hope you can keep your eyes open for the rest of this period and look at the next several hundred posts objectively. You tunneling all day will only hurt the cause even more and after awhile it tends to make ppl's eyes glaze over anyway. People will do what they think is right with what they've seen between us.

you mean like i tunneled on MMM and ignored everyone elses posts and didn't find someone lieing and switching opinions about the same posts depending on who they were trying to target and then switched my vote onto that person because he was a much more likely wolf than a person hinting they might be cursed. Ever since you have refused to answer. why do you think that you don't have to answer ? is it so that you don't incriminate your fellow wolves?

[baudib]

I was against the runaway wagon, any kind of runaway wagon, because I was hoping we'd get some vote flopping but it's clear there had to be villagers on MMM who were never moving off.

I don't know why Daven taking the lead at some point would point to him being a wolf, wouldn't it have pointed to MMM being a wolf?

The Ong flip gives us a villager who voted MMM, called Daven a confirmed wolf, then switched back to MMM reluctantly.

I might actually come up with a real point system for finding wolves. I know that Dhuber has nailed wolves on one or two posts, and Gabe as well, but I don't really believe in "gotchas" in a game where people will be making hundreds of posts. I've seen games where very very clear villagers get lynched for making a dumb mistake and it's often game-breaking.

By the same token, I don't give a ton of weight to wagonomics, especially this early, because we've seen wolves do dumb or tricky things. Also, there are villagers wolves are just forced to call villagers, and sometimes there are wolves that wolves are forced to call wolfy.

[baudib]

Also, there are villagers wolves are just forced to call villagers, and sometimes there are wolves that wolves are forced to call wolfy.

To this point I wanted to add that the constant soft-pushing of Daven was a real threadflow thing IMO.

[baudib]

holy shit something resembling an insight from drew.

Print it, frame it, hang it on the wall

This actually stood out clearly to me on reread. BID is doing nothing in this game.

[BankItDrew]

This actually stood out clearly to me on reread. BID is doing nothing in this game.

Yeah sorry, I was away for most of Day 1. I'm back now though. Besides, it was Day 1.

[Luco]

I was against the runaway wagon, any kind of runaway wagon, because I was hoping we'd get some vote flopping but it's clear there had to be villagers on MMM who were never moving off.

I don't know why Daven taking the lead at some point would point to him being a wolf, wouldn't it have pointed to MMM being a wolf?

The Ong flip gives us a villager who voted MMM, called Daven a confirmed wolf, then switched back to MMM reluctantly.

I might actually come up with a real point system for finding wolves. I know that Dhuber has nailed wolves on one or two posts, and Gabe as well, but I don't really believe in "gotchas" in a game where people will be making hundreds of posts. I've seen games where very very clear villagers get lynched for making a dumb mistake and it's often game-breaking.

By the same token, I don't give a ton of weight to wagonomics, especially this early, because we've seen wolves do dumb or tricky things. Also, there are villagers wolves are just forced to call villagers, and sometimes there are wolves that wolves are forced to call wolfy.

I said daven taking the lead would have been more informative, not wolfy

i.e. see how the thread changes after daven looks the most likely lynch, but it didnt happen. mmm was the runaway favorite lynch for soooo long yesterday and it makes it harder to assess what it actually means for daven

But as I said, I never really saw much reaction to ong and keiths rescinds that tied up daven so Im giving daven a v lean for it, although I accept your last point as well

[dhubermex]

Page #1: With MMM & Ong confirmed ghost Villagers, there's nothing to go on that I can see. monstrman & BID post back-to-back but about 20 minutes apart (#61 & 62). BID starts off two paragraphs with "I too" which seems a bit forced, but there's nothing I can read into that. Gabe comes right on top of BID's post in #63 and recommends monstrman lynch for being "impossible to read" since it's his first game here. baudib had already promised insight before this post. My tinfoil here would be baudib/monstrman. Nothing to back that up just think it would be awesome if baudib is doing all this explaining to his co-POG'er if they both are in the Den together.

Page #2: I can't describe it, but Post #76 from rong gives me a Village vibe (baudib has same sense in #92), and the same for BID's Posts #78 & 79. The tone seems up-front (which I'm a sucker for) and genuine. rong also coming on top of BID in Post #81 seems Villagery to me, but again it's not a substantial read. More awesomeness from baudib in #83... man I hope he & monstr are Wolves together because I like all the explaining in such a scenario. I'm not sure what to make of gabe's Post #101, but Ong in #102 thought he was just getting a feel for monstr. Posts #103 & #104 by gabe don't give me any sort of Village vibe. #103 is very detailed and again up-front, but for some reason which I can't describe this doesn't come off as genuine as rong's #76. Posts #116 & #117 are baudib & Keybored communicating. I want to tinfoil them as well just because I'd like to see how well they could pull it off, but tinfoil hypothesis is garbage, chances of monstr, baudib, Keybored being Wolves is randomly as improbable as any other combination.

JKDS comes in at #118 and says Keith, Luco and wuf seem "off." Keith lunged for MMM Day #1 just as I did, Luco I don't think is off at all and wuf I think is trying a different strategy regardless of role. Post #119 Keybored throws suspicion onto gabe. Key's insight here is something I agree with but couldn't put my finger on before. Luco is looking more and more like a Villager to me in Post #120. I disagree with Luco's analysis of JKDS in Post #122, I actually thought that was JKDS' "most" wolfiest post so far and Keybored seems to have picked up on this as well in #124 plus Ong did the same in #127. Possible Luco/JKDS Wolf combo? Now I'm not so comfortable with my Luco Village lean. Post #135 by JKDS seems defensive and Luco Post #136 makes me feel this isn't Wolf-on-Wolf discussion. JKDS again defensive in #138. gabe comes back in at #147, he definitely doesn't give off a Village vibe but there's just not a lot to go on.

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So far, I feel like I'm wasting this space with review of first two pages. I have no significant reads, just some minor gut feelings. I suppose the biggest thing I agree with is Keybored "jumping all over" Luco's post about JKDS' "least wolfy" contribution in Luco's opinion. Here I wholeheartedly agree with Keybored, yet it seems I'm the only one. Since I agree so much with Keybored, I have to give him Village cred for having similar POV as I do.

On a side note, I'd like to thank MMM for taking the time to give us his insight and reads even when his wagon was taking off. That's a sign of a player who is willing to speak from the grave and be loyal to his faction regardless of an imminent lynch.


Village Leans: rong, BID, Keybored

Wolf Leans: none so far

*** END REVIEW OF PAGES 1 & 2 ***

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[Keybored]

@ keybored, can you post the vote and wagon orders? there are a couple of things i'm interested in around my wagon and if you're storing the info in a spreadsheet or whatever it was then it's an easy copy-paste ja?

DAY 1 RESULTS:

Player <> Lynch Votee <> Post#

MMM <> *BAUDIB* <> 2
BAUDIB <> DAVEN <> 11
MMM <> *ONG* <> 14
WUF <> *DHUBER* <> 17
KEITH <> MMM <> 29
MMM <> *DHUBER* <> 39
MMM <> WUF <> 42
WUF <> MMM <> 43
DHUBER <> *MMM* <> 48
DAVEN <> *DHUBER* <> 54
KEYB <> *MMM* <> 60
GABE <> MONSTR <> 63
ONG <> *BIGRED* <> 100
KEYB <> DAVEN <> 177
DAVEN <> WUF <> 192
RONG <> MMM <> 194
DHUBER <> MMM <> 221
BIGRED <> AUBREY <> 225
AUBREY <> MMM <> 241
BID <> MMM <> 242
ONG <> MMM <> 280
LUCO <> DAVEN <> 284
MMM <> DAVEN <> 333
MONSTR <> DAVEN <> 374
DAVEN <> *ONG* <> 423
BIGRED <> DVAEN 472
DAVEN <> MMM <> 486
KEITH <> KEYB <> 560
ONG <> *BID* <> 572
ONG <> *WUF* <> 592
ONG <> MMM <> 676

*--* = Rescinded Vote

MMM: 7 (Wuf, Rong, Dhuber, Aubrey, BID, Daven, Ong)
Daven: 6 (Baud, Keyb, Luco, MMM, Monstr, Bigred)
Monstr: (Gabe)
Keybored: (Keith)

Non-Voter: JKDS

D1 Lynch = MMM
N1 Kill = Ong

[Keybored]

@keybored--be careful about posting before the Mod announces Day. if you're a villager we don't need you getting modkilled again

Oh FFS...is there a set of Commandments on this shit??
FWIW, how's my one-word post end of night diff frm yer "WAT" after end of day?
--Which, btw, is the exact same thing you modkilled me for...just sayin'

But seriously...is there really some rule book I obv don't know about?
If so, I hope it's also got a list of WW acronyms, cuz damn all this googling.

[Keybored]

@ keybored, i don't think we gain a whole lot of info from mmm's wagon given that it was villager vs villager and he'd made a play that meant he had to go before mid-game

I agree for now. But as the field narrows, it may help. Also, one thing I learned from going deep last game was that it sucks going back to research shit after thousands of posts. It's a tool for the bag-o-trix.

[dhubermex]

Page #3: Keith's analysis in #151 is solid. I pointed this out later in the thread. No role-indicative vibe either way from it though. baudib Post #155 is interesting. I'm feeling that I should be reading something into it, but I must not have the ability to put my finger on it. daven doesn't believe I'm a strong Village lean in #157. Keybored starts daven wagon at #177 after quoting all his contributions up to that point. I agree 100% with wuf's analysis in final paragraph of #196. Ong thinks JKDS is Wolf at #201. More baudib/Keybored tag-teaming in #205 & #206. both seem Villagery to me at this time. I hate to say that because I would be a fan of such a Wolf-on-Wolf tactic, but the tag-teaming flows naturally as far as I can see. Upon scrolling one post downwards, I notice that Keybored wasn't tag-teaming baudib after all. wuf wants JVP's status in #213. The baudib/wuf interactions from #214-216 also seem to come off naturally. bigred finally arrives at #219, but no reads from the post.

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After three pages, and I'm not spotting anything terribly wolfy at all. I have five Village leans listed below. This concerns me because chances are I'm wrong, but so far this is what I'm getting.


Village Leans: rong, BID, Keybored, baudib, wufwugy

Question Marks: daven, Keith, gabe, JKDS, monstrman, Luco

No info: bigred, aubrey

Wolf Leans: none so far

*** END REVIEW OF PAGES 3 ***

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[Keybored]

Alright, Keith, I can do this if you insist. I did it as W the entire last game. But it was fun fucking with ppl as a W, watching them scramble about. But as a villager battling one dude who's absolutely wrong isn't appealing. And I regret being a distraction to my team. Alas, this is how you want to spend our day, then so be it. We can waste our time on each other. But it pains me that every minute I spend with you is taking away from what I/we could be doing to hunt. So, let's let the bickering begin and we'll see if anyone gives a fuck along the way. To clarify for everyone who may still be reading: I'm not doing this to prove Keith's a wolf, I'm doing this cuz he's insisting. I have a soft feel for him as a wolf, but that's all. If anyone gets bored with this and/or agrees it's a distraction, please speak up so we may end the nonsense. Anyway, my answers are bold/cap included in the original post by Keith. I'll start here and continue in numerical order as they have been posted. But I can't do it all in one sitting, so there'll be gaps in the time between responses. During which, no doubt, Keith will launch his reattacks. But those newer posts will have to wait until I get to them. So just cuz he's pushing fresh stuff ATM in response to my pushes, it doesn't mean I'm not engaging ATM. I'm just busy wasting my time with the past. Enjoy...

[QUOTE=Keith;2217761]Are we supposed to be impressed with this? NO, I GAVE UP TRYING TO IMPRESS ANYONE A LONG TIME AGO. WOW, you had a whole day and you took some quotes about what the people voting for MMM said about him. YEP, I DID ANLYSIS ON THE DOWN TIME THEN SHARED MY FINDINGS WITH THE VILLAGE. Do you think this makes you look like a villager? IDGAF ABOUT MAKING MYSELF LOOK V. I'M HERE TO HUNT W'S. We all know he died because of his actions at the end of last game and start of this game where he implied that he was cursed. FWIW, I AND OTHERS BELIEVE THAT WAS WRONG AND NARROW FOCUSED. That just demonstrated his lack of judgement and as a result he had to die. IN YOUR HUMBLE OPINION. AS YOU SO ASTUTELY HOLLERED, GOT IT. IT'S DONE, I'M OVER IT.

Why not put your name in the list for where you acted and voted for him along with reason for getting off the wagon instead of hiding a brief mention in the text? JUST ABOUT EVERY POST I MADE ABOUT MMM GAVE MY REASONS FOR SUPPORTING MMM. RTFT. Why not analyse how the voting looked at the point that you got off his wagon? CUZ TO ME IT WAS OBV, KNOWING MMM, THAT HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AT/BEYOND POST 64. THUS, 100+ POSTS LATER, I JUMPED OFF MMM AFTER HE'D CLEARED HIMSELF. All the time you spent on this could have been spent doing something constructive, like answering my #560 ,#625 post where i bolded you originally, but you refused to address the points i made. MY ANALYSIS PROCESS IS MY OWN AND I HAVE NO PROB SHARING WHAT I SEE/DO. WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTIVE OR NOT IS YOUR OPINION BUT IT HELPS ME. AFTER THIS, I'LL ADDRESS YOUR POSTS.

Look at your comments about why i got off MMM's wagon LAST MINUTE????? UH, YEP. YOU BAILED ON THE 2 WAGONS AT THE END OF THE DAY bollocks!!! WTF IS A BOLLOCK? I got off MMMs wagon because i found evidence of you saying one thing and doing the opposite. You were lieing, and you have had plenty of time to think of an explanation, so how about explaining it to the village. Theres no MMM wagon to distract us now, the village can concentrate on what you have to say. I DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I ASSUME IT HAS TO DO WITH THOSE POSTS 560/625 ABOVE. I'LL GET TO THOSE AFTER THIS.

lets look at this post... I WISH A QUOTED POST WOULD COME UP IN A SUBSEQUENT POST REPLY. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT?

Again touting the theme that "i got my wolf buddies to hop on MMMs wagon and get it rolling". I BELIEVE I SAID THAT AFTER YOUR PREGAME DECLARATION IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR WOLF-KEITH TO NOT VOTE MMM AND WHEN MMM SPEWED WHACKY, YOU WERE IN HEAVEN. AND THEN U CONVINCED YOUR BUDS THAT THIS WAS A NO BRAINER. The early MMM votes were me (before he pulled his lone wolf shit so how am i supposed to" shit myself when he wigged out early") SEE ABOVE, wuf dhuber and you. now obviously you are gonna claim you aren't one of my supposed wolf buddies OBV, and dhuber wasn't on your list list either YUP, so how am i supposed to be getting my buddies to jump on early? I DON'T THINK I SAID "EARLY". BUT IF I DID, SUBSEQUENTLY IS MORE ACCURATE. You are making a weak argument stretch a long way trying to target me. I AGREE IT'S A STRETCH AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY MEANT TO POKE YOU BASED ON A LOOSE FEEL AND TO GET YOU TO ENGAGE MORE. BUT SINCE I DID NOT VOTE YOU, I OBV DIDN'T HAVE YOU AT THE TOP OF MY LIST. Now its backfired on you ONLY IN YOUR MIND because i am focused TUNNELING on you WITH BLINDERS ON AGAIN and showing all your contradictions up and you haven't got a clue how to answer without it showing you can only be a wolf. HERE'S MY ANSWERS. HOW WOLFY AM I SO FAR?

Look at the end of that quote DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO HERE, the best you can come up with is that you said I was a wolf, so i bolded you. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT U DID, AND WASTED A VOTE. Rubbish, I bolded you because what you said were lies that didn't tally with the evidence and i have shown the discrepancies. OKAY, BUT YOU DIDN'T SELL THAT MSG AT THE TIME. You were acting with an agenda and you refuse to explain yourself. I REFUSED TO DISTRACT THE SOLID CAMPS FORMED AT THE TIME WITH ENDLESS BICKERING. GO LOOK AT PPL'S REACTION TO YOUR MEGAPOSTS, KEITH. NOBODY GAVE A FUCK AT THE TIME. THIS IS WHERE YOUR BLINDERS HURT YOU. IT'S FINE TO PINPOINT A PLAYER BUT YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHEN NOBODY'S LISTENING AND/OR WHEN IT'S BEING DETRIMENTAL TO THE EVENTS ATM.

[Keybored]

Keith...At my next sitting I'll address your questions in Post #560 and then move on to #625. Then I'll move on to the more current ones above: 762, 778, 784. Yer gonna have to be patient tho...

[gabe]

I would love for you to read the champions game I'm in and tell me that you expect amazing participation from me on both sites especially considering I am clearly far more invested in the other game. I was told when signing up I could be slightly lower volume and not have to deal with the stress which is partly the only reason I joined because the posts in the champions game just reached #4913.

No offense to this site but I was in that game first and it is a lot more post-intensive environment and it makes it difficult for me to shift gears so massively between the two cultures of PoG and FTR especially with the lack of meta that I have on this site.

Sorry I don't mean to sound rude or anything.

I'm trying as hard as I can to be present in both sites with as much participation as I am capable of giving.

ok dude we get it lynch monstrman

[bigred]

I'd also be ok with lynching jkds because he's basically been non-existent. My other programmed inclination for day 2 is go after those late-ish on a villager bandwagon. Aubrey, my current vote, and BID fit in here (based on keybored post, not sure if those names are in order). I'm leaning towards BID being villagery right now.

[bigred]

I could also lynch monstrman cause Gabe's post made me annoyed with monstrman and Gabe is a trendsetter.

[gabe]

how owned are you guys going to feel when hes a wolf and no one wants to press him? no one besides me seems to even be considering him. i think the evidence on monstrman i already posted is pretty good and then he starts posting (weak) excuses on why he wont post more. his defense of my accusations arent logical. if he has so much experience with threadflow and tinfoiling and sponging or whatever the fuck him and baudib keep talking about then he should be able to make more careful arguments. i think its more likely hes a wolf

the village will make more progress today if daven is not lynched

i am spending time on this game this morning. my plan right now is to closely examine some posts by players who have avoided controversy, starting with keith and aubrey

[gabe]

im officially inviting all of you FTR regs to bold monstr. we've learned this lesson many times before


also note that I have no motivation to go after him as far as my own survivability. im pushing this because i think its a nice spot

[bigred]

Can someone fill me in on Dhuber? I haven't really actively played in a game with him. Is he always this cautious to label someone a wolf or even wolfy?

[gabe]

this is VERY strong evidence daven is a villager

However, mmm can definitely flip villager, if that happens my money is on Ong being the cursed villager. See posts 33 and 35 to see his messages to this effect, and then his repeat in posts 51 and 52. Cute ong. In fact, enough for me to want to lynch him.

obviously the wolves would love to eat the cursed villager, which we have to factor in on why they chose ong. (i dont think ong gave anything away indicating he could be seer or priest. but i could still come across that in review)

for daven to say something which we know the wolves likely believed (that ong was cursed) makes it very unlikely daven is a wolf

[gabe]

daven did not just say that because he was trying to get a reaction to gain insight onto who/whoisnt cursed. he bolded ong shortly after before ong even responded.

[JKDS]

Someone brought up a reads post I did early in the game. That was a reaction test I made while trying to be clever. The villager leans were legit, but the wolf leans were all bullshit based off of Hoopy's intro post. The intro post talked about players in an order inconsistent with the list of players, and I thought there might be something to that. I didnt get anything out of it.

[JKDS]

@Gabe: I have a hard time bolding monstr just cuz hes new (unless theres more to this that i missed?). I get why thats a hindrance, but I don't want another wagon where people bold off of neutral game theory reasons as opposed to their own thoughts and role-indicative insights.

[JKDS]

Alright, Keith, I can do this if you insist. I did it as W the entire last game. But it was fun fucking with ppl as a W, watching them scramble about. But as a villager battling one dude who's absolutely wrong isn't appealing. And I regret being a distraction to my team. Alas, this is how you want to spend our day, then so be it. We can waste our time on each other. But it pains me that every minute I spend with you is taking away from what I/we could be doing to hunt. So, let's let the bickering begin and we'll see if anyone gives a fuck along the way. To clarify for everyone who may still be reading: I'm not doing this to prove Keith's a wolf, I'm doing this cuz he's insisting. I have a soft feel for him as a wolf, but that's all. If anyone gets bored with this and/or agrees it's a distraction, please speak up so we may end the nonsense. Anyway, my answers are bold/cap included in the original post by Keith. I'll start here and continue in numerical order as they have been posted. But I can't do it all in one sitting, so there'll be gaps in the time between responses. During which, no doubt, Keith will launch his reattacks. But those newer posts will have to wait until I get to them. So just cuz he's pushing fresh stuff ATM in response to my pushes, it doesn't mean I'm not engaging ATM. I'm just busy wasting my time with the past. Enjoy...

What even is this?
-Brag about wolfin
-Battling a dude sucks
-Battling is distracting from wolf huntin
-Use of the word 'alas'
-battling is time wasting
-over explanation of why you are battling anyway
-Keith's insistence doesnt make you feel one way or another about his role
-if i dont respond, its not not engaging

If you're villager, with a 'slight wolf lean' on keith, how do his attacks not offend you? I'd be combing through all of his posts in an attempt to get a stronger read on him, or to show the village he's wolfin. But you ignore them instead, and point towards other things like everyone's intro post...without actually analyzing them. It seems like busy work, to show you're a villager, which you've done a billion times last game. You use the word 'alas', no one says 'alas.' Fake words = fake thoughts = wolfing. Ong said "Oh Mercy" last game as a wolf, which was another phrase no one says. But overexplaining is also highly defensive and shows you are overly concerned with how people perceive you.

lynch keybored

[JKDS]

JKDS is too smart to know that this info doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

You dont know that it doesnt matter. Wolves are special hunting, we know that. Some players, it seems daven too, thought Ong may be cursed or a special. Daven going after ong anyway is curious. I think it means hes a villager, but I'm terrible at reading daven.

[gabe]

@Gabe: I have a hard time bolding monstr just cuz hes new (unless theres more to this that i missed?). I get why thats a hindrance, but I don't want another wagon where people bold off of neutral game theory reasons as opposed to their own thoughts and role-indicative insights.

yea there was more to it than that:

-calling it bad reasoning to use lack-of-historcal-reads as evidence, then using lack-of-historical-reads to justify his own lack of posts. basically saying "you cant use that" to a type of read, then uses it himself as if it were a meaningful argument
-inciting village on village spew in his YELLING! post
-feeling the need to make new excuses for why he wasnt posting as much here
-engaging very infrequently

[gabe]

after seeing jkds also like keybored, im switching to rescind and lynch keybored

in my review i thought keybored had the wolfiest look out of everyone. here are my up to the second notes

daven village
aubrey village
baudib village
dhuber - village
bid - village
key bored - wolf? - 464 dissonance, 549 wolf pattern words
keith - i don’t get a good read on what he’s thinking like i do the other villagers, but i thought his breakdown of keybored on #560 strengthened what i was thinking about keybored. since i like his attack i think keith should be safe
wuf - disagree with his reads but nothing wolfy stood out. ong said “wuf is a wolf if mojo and daven are both villagers, that I'm 95% sure about.” but i think its more likely wuf is reading the situation wrong as a villager.

[gabe]

fwiw here are my possible wolves in order somewhat. im approaching it like ive cleared everyone else. if keybored is a wolf then keith will be removed

keybored
monstrman
bigred
keith
rong
JKDS
Luco

wuf?

[JKDS]

Tomorrow, Keith. Nobody cares about our tiff right now.

FWIF, here's how my d2 is looking (barring any crazy kills dynamics): In pregame, you preannounced an MMM vote, then flipped wolf this game, then shat yourself when MMM wigged out early, thus started an easy wagon, and got your buds to join in on the free/easy lynch that couldn't possibly be backtracked. But MMM didn't roll over; in fact, he stood tall. Then I started a Daven wagon which got steam. Then I pointed out who I thought was a wolf sitting on MMM, and that you started it. Now both you and Rong are freaking out on me.

But nobody else is giving a shit about our battle right now and I recognized that.
So I try to avoid being a distraction and ask for a temp truce.
But you MOVE YOUR VOTE??
FFS
How's that not a distraction?
Show us you're working for the village.
"u out me, so i bold u" is not productive.
Put your vote in the game where it matters.

Key proclaimed a soft lean for keith being a wolf in my last quoted post. In the above one, he seems pretty convinced.

[baudib]

Oh FFS...is there a set of Commandments on this shit??
FWIW, how's my one-word post end of night diff frm yer "WAT" after end of day?
--Which, btw, is the exact same thing you modkilled me for...just sayin'

But seriously...is there really some rule book I obv don't know about?
If so, I hope it's also got a list of WW acronyms, cuz damn all this googling.

yeah, the rule is when there's no night posting, don't post until it's day.

[Hoopy]

Vote Count 2.1

keybored - 3 (keith, JKDS, gabe)
JKDS - 1 (BID)
daven - 1 (wuf)
aubrey - 1 (bigred)
wuf - 1 (daven)

8 votes to lynch!

[baudib]

Part of the reason I came hard after Gabe (knowing full well we will never lynch Gabe D1) is that I was hoping to making him look lynchable so he wouldn't get eaten.

Mostly, I thought Gabe was acting pretty damn weird, but there was that element.

So far today, Gabe is posting slightly ​less weird, but doing some good stuff.

[Hoopy]

yeah, the rule is when there's no night posting, don't post until it's day.

It ain't no thing, thread was open and I'd already posted the night actions.

[baudib]

I can see Keybored being a wolf, but there are elements of his game that are much different than last game.

Threadflow practically demanded MMM's death and he was fighting against that. Last game, he just sorta went with the flavor of the hour. He was aggressive at times but wasn't really trying to lead a lynch.

Maybe it's because I haven't been V to Keybored W, but I can see villageryness in him. I've mindmelded with him on quite a few things.

I can see why you guys didn't lynch him last game, because I think the best way to describe my feeling about it is I want him to be a villager.

[baudib]

Someone brought up a reads post I did early in the game. That was a reaction test I made while trying to be clever. The villager leans were legit, but the wolf leans were all bullshit based off of Hoopy's intro post. The intro post talked about players in an order inconsistent with the list of players, and I thought there might be something to that. I didnt get anything out of it.

What in the actual fuck...you're trying to get reads off mod spew?

[daven]

jesus christ, i just typed a long post and then realised that where i had typed 'player x has arrooed' there was a pretty fucking huge chance i was outing the seer
now i need to re-read with two sets of eyes, one set looking at player x= wolf and the other with player x = seer to see which seems more likely
ffs
glad i didn't just click submit without reading what i had typed.

[daven]

What in the actual fuck...you're trying to get reads off mod spew?

'the wolf leans were all bullshit'
pretty sure he wasn't making genuine reads based off mod txt

[daven]

here's a light read for y'all
if monstr flips wolf then bid gains some decent wolf equity
basis: bid bolded keybored citing 'in keith we trust', but history would have bid bolding monstr citing 'in gabe we trust'
right bid?

[baudib]

JKDS is not a noob and has modded games, he should know there's no pattern to how the mod writes about players.

JKDS making up a list for no reason and being shady.

[baudib]

jesus christ, i just typed a long post and then realised that where i had typed 'player x has arrooed' there was a pretty fucking huge chance i was outing the seer
now i need to re-read with two sets of eyes, one set looking at player x= wolf and the other with player x = seer to see which seems more likely
ffs
glad i didn't just click submit without reading what i had typed.

this is a pretty villagery post. or a really clever one if you're a wolf.

[daven]

Daven, "confirmed villagers"? What?

@ Daven, so you actually thought mmm was likely a wolf?

Also @ Daven, why would jkds be high up the wolf kill list when he has hardly even posted?

confirmed villagers = ong/mmm
I thought mmm was wolf>villager>>>cursed
re jkds, if i was wolf i'd be looking at taking out one of jkds/gabe/luco/you/ong on night 1 based on how day 1 played out. I wonder if the wolves took out ong cos of my (incorrect) read he was cursed, or because it was obvious that i would be giving him lock villager status on day 2 based on his end of day 1 wagon analysis.

[baudib]

Actually Daven, if you think you might be outing the seer why would you even make that post.

It's like the thought process in the post is villagery, but actually posting it is anti-village, if you follow me.

I'm the biggest proponent of just letting posting as you think but that's clearly a case where you probably shouldn't.