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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    after 5 years as a member how can your terminology be so wrong ? opponent is going to bet or check not raise. this then leads into confusion for any reader . Are you raising if he bets or are you betting if he checks. You aren't cbetting if opponent was the pre flop raiser. You make no reference at all to flop texture and how flop texture interacts with your and his range.

    If you are betting with the intention of getting opponent to fold ....how is that betting for value ? betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.
    Keith: Are you raising if he bets.
    Eberetta1: No, I am folding 80 percent of the time and shoving 20 percent of the time.

    Keith: Are you betting if he checks?
    Eberaetta1: yes.

    Keith: You make no reference at all to flop texture.
    Eberetta1: There is no need to reference flop texture. I believe OP is dealing with betting style of villain. Villain is playing maniac style and just wants get hero to fold a winning hand. If hero chases anything other than a made hand on the flop, it will cost dearly to see the next card unless villain checks the one in every 10 to 20 flops that come up.

    Keith: If you are betting with the intention of getting opponent to fold ....how is that betting for value ? betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.

    Eberetta1: I said: My intent is not to get anyone to fold, when I meant to say: My intent is not to get everyone to fold

    Keith: Betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.
    Eberetta1: I have encountered too many people who do not want to commit a lot of chips on the river. Good, they do not have to be there for the river. But if they called my bet on the flop and turn, I got some value that I may not have gotten if I checked the flop and checked the turn. So again, just because I bet or raise does not mean I always want my opponent to fold. Betting a checked flop preferring that no one folds can increase the pot size, which is all I am trying to accomplish most of the times that I raise, excuse me, or bet.
    At other times, betting a checked flop with the intention of getting everyone to fold is exactly what I am trying to accomplish, especially against pre-flop raisers. Some days I am in no mood for a showdown.

    Again, this overview is in response to answering GreatLeslie 's dilemma of How do you not lose money when raising most of the time preflop? I am assuming GreatLeslie has encountered an agro player and is trying to stay at the table but does not want to lose all their chips in the process.
    Last edited by eberetta1; 11-12-2014 at 10:39 AM.
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