How do you not lose money when raising most of the time preflop?

[eberetta1]

If I am go into a hand pre-flop when someone raised, you can guarantee that after the flop, there will be a raise one way or another. Either my opponent is going to raise or check. I will raise if my opponent does not, because I live by the c-bet whether I hit the flop or not. And I hope my aggressive pre-flop raiser did not hit the flop, so I am trying to get him to fold with my raise.

I also c-bet for another reason. I c-bet because I am trying to get value. Ideally, I prefer no one folds and people remain in the hand. I get yelled at by so many of my railers that I am not going to force anyone to fold with a c-bet. My intent is not to get anyone to fold. I am raising the value of the pot, making my opponent pay to see each card.

I strive to play 20 percent of my hands, some days I am in more than 20 percent, other days I play less than 20 percent of my hands.

If I am playing an agro player, I just figure, I am sitting at a higher limit table and play accordingly, i.e. if my opponent is raising the blinds 3x every hand, I will eventually leave the table or sit there and stop folding pre-flop hands that I would not normally play.

[Keith]

If I am go into a hand pre-flop when someone raised, you can guarantee that after the flop, there will be a raise one way or another. Either my opponent is going to raise or check. I will raise if my opponent does not, because I live by the c-bet whether I hit the flop or not. And I hope my aggressive pre-flop raiser did not hit the flop, so I am trying to get him to fold with my raise.

I also c-bet for another reason. I c-bet because I am trying to get value. Ideally, I prefer no one folds and people remain in the hand. I get yelled at by so many of my railers that I am not going to force anyone to fold with a c-bet. My intent is not to get anyone to fold. I am raising the value of the pot, making my opponent pay to see each card.

after 5 years as a member how can your terminology be so wrong ? opponent is going to bet or check not raise. this then leads into confusion for any reader . Are you raising if he bets or are you betting if he checks. You aren't cbetting if opponent was the pre flop raiser. You make no reference at all to flop texture and how flop texture interacts with your and his range.

If you are betting with the intention of getting opponent to fold ....how is that betting for value ? betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.

[eberetta1]

after 5 years as a member how can your terminology be so wrong ? opponent is going to bet or check not raise. this then leads into confusion for any reader . Are you raising if he bets or are you betting if he checks. You aren't cbetting if opponent was the pre flop raiser. You make no reference at all to flop texture and how flop texture interacts with your and his range.

If you are betting with the intention of getting opponent to fold ....how is that betting for value ? betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.

Keith: Are you raising if he bets.
Eberetta1: No, I am folding 80 percent of the time and shoving 20 percent of the time.

Keith: Are you betting if he checks?
Eberaetta1: yes.

Keith: You make no reference at all to flop texture.
Eberetta1: There is no need to reference flop texture. I believe OP is dealing with betting style of villain. Villain is playing maniac style and just wants get hero to fold a winning hand. If hero chases anything other than a made hand on the flop, it will cost dearly to see the next card unless villain checks the one in every 10 to 20 flops that come up.

Keith: If you are betting with the intention of getting opponent to fold ....how is that betting for value ? betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.

Eberetta1: I said: My intent is not to get anyone to fold, when I meant to say: My intent is not to get everyone to fold

Keith: Betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.
Eberetta1: I have encountered too many people who do not want to commit a lot of chips on the river. Good, they do not have to be there for the river. But if they called my bet on the flop and turn, I got some value that I may not have gotten if I checked the flop and checked the turn. So again, just because I bet or raise does not mean I always want my opponent to fold. Betting a checked flop preferring that no one folds can increase the pot size, which is all I am trying to accomplish most of the times that I raise, excuse me, or bet.
At other times, betting a checked flop with the intention of getting everyone to fold is exactly what I am trying to accomplish, especially against pre-flop raisers. Some days I am in no mood for a showdown.

Again, this overview is in response to answering GreatLeslie 's dilemma of How do you not lose money when raising most of the time preflop? I am assuming GreatLeslie has encountered an agro player and is trying to stay at the table but does not want to lose all their chips in the process.

[Keith]

Keith: Are you raising if he bets.
Eberetta1: No, I am folding 80 percent of the time and shoving 20 percent of the time.

pretty terrible advice if you are playing cash games deep , and likely bad in tournaments unless late stage and short effective stacks. you should be qualifying whether you are talking cash or mtts when you say that

Keith: Are you betting if he checks?
Eberaetta1: yes.

again thats a blanket statement , no consideration of whether its a wet or dry flop , how flop is likely to have hit your range and opponents range and no consideration of stack sizes.

Keith: You make no reference at all to flop texture.
Eberetta1: There is no need to reference flop texture. I believe OP is dealing with betting style of villain. Villain is playing maniac style and just wants get hero to fold a winning hand. If hero chases anything other than a made hand on the flop, it will cost dearly to see the next card unless villain checks the one in every 10 to 20 flops that come up.

did you actually read the OP?. the OP was about how he should be raising/calling his own hands and how to act when he missed the flop. Nothing at all to do with dealing with a maniac which makes the whole of your paragraph above worthless

Keith: If you are betting with the intention of getting opponent to fold ....how is that betting for value ? betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.

Eberetta1: I said: My intent is not to get anyone to fold, when I meant to say: My intent is not to get everyone to fold

but you are now saying that you are betting a checked flop . why do you want to bloat the pot if you have air and you know that opponents will call the bet?

Keith: Betting a checked flop with the intention to get a fold but preferring that no one folds shows that you don't know what you are trying to accomplish.
Eberetta1: I have encountered too many people who do not want to commit a lot of chips on the river. Good, they do not have to be there for the river. But if they called my bet on the flop and turn, I got some value that I may not have gotten if I checked the flop and checked the turn. So again, just because I bet or raise does not mean I always want my opponent to fold. Betting a checked flop preferring that no one folds can increase the pot size, which is all I am trying to accomplish most of the times that I raise, excuse me, or bet.

bloating the pot with air gets you zero value unless you win the bloated pot or got the money in ahead which is unlikely if you have air.

At other times, betting a checked flop with the intention of getting everyone to fold is exactly what I am trying to accomplish, especially against pre-flop raisers. Some days I am in no mood for a showdown.

you do realise that you maximise your winning s when you win at showdown?. You should be looking to get your big hands to showdown with as big as a pot as possible. trying to get opponents to fold is missing value when yo have a big hand and not in the mood to get to showdown.

Again, this overview is in response to answering GreatLeslie 's dilemma of How do you not lose money when raising most of the time preflop? I am assuming GreatLeslie has encountered an agro player and is trying to stay at the table but does not want to lose all their chips in the process.

instead of assuming from a thread title , you might find it helps provide a sensible answer to the question if if you actually read the content of the OP.