No theme werewolf gameplay thread

[OngBonga]

I'm not happy with a doober lynched based on the fact that it looks a lot to me like two from drew, jkds and gabe. The only reason I'll vote for doobs is if it's to save my own ass.

[wufwugy]

New rule!

Well, not so much new but clarification now that we're deeper into the game. I deliberately haven't fully explained when the revive will happen because I think it's the duty of the players to figure out how the roles fit into the strategy and all. The revive exists for two reasons: (1) keep the game from ending too early in case of a blowout. We're past that. (2) Give the village a mini-seer power where they can operate around the knowledge of a confirmed villager. I've been waiting to see how things land to see what the most fair policy is. Anyways, here's the rule

The dead thread has to get two successful saves in order to activate the revive. That means on the night that there are 2 ghost angels left, the revive will take place. Then there will be no more ghost angels. However, unlike before, the revive will no longer include an auto-block of the night kill. That was a necessary clause to give it teeth and keep the game from ending too early, but the purpose is gone now

[BankItDrew]

tell me why you think jkds is a villager.

Nothing he's done stands out to me. I don't recall talking to him or anything.

Basically, I have no read either way.

[Luco]

I'm not happy with a doober lynched based on the fact that it looks a lot to me like two from drew, jkds and gabe. The only reason I'll vote for doobs is if it's to save my own ass.

I will be disappointed if dhuber is a wolf because it means he threw away a game winning day1 by coming off the gas so hard

nevertheless i could argue the baud vanilla thing the other way, ie dhuber got the attention instead of drew because it was planned w-w bickering. the disparity in treatment suggests an agenda which i think is wolf points for one of them, the alternative of course is that baud simply missed drews opener and the disparity was unintentional - in which case im just chasing my tail here

[Luco]

Nothing he's done stands out to me. I don't recall talking to him or anything.

Basically, I have no read either way.

Why would you post this as a villager? you know you could get ripped to shreds for a comment like this, if youre vil then any wolf can just pull up some bid /jkds interaction and bold you ez game

[BankItDrew]

Why would you post this as a villager?

Because I'm being honest.

[Luco]

Because I'm being honest.

ok, do you have thoughts on our other living players then?

[BankItDrew]

I'll compile an updated reads list tonight.

[Luco]

thanks man

[BankItDrew]

i gotchu, bud

[wufwugy]

bid - dhubs
mmm - dhubs
ong - jkds
luco - jkds
key - dhubs
dhubs - ong
jkds - ong

nobody - gabe, hoops

dhubs - 3
jkds - 2
ong - 2

Day 3 ends at 3PM PST tomorrow. I may not be around then, so if the deadline goes by or a majority is reached, I'm fine if Baud or Rilla wants to end the game day and start the night phase

[BankItDrew]

rescind

lynch ong

meh

[Luco]

#233

I wonder if wuf leaned towards not modkilling baudib because he was a wolf and it might fuck up his game.

Maybe but I wouldn't want to even factor this into decision making. Trying to outguess the mod is unhelpful and a distraction to what we should be doing.

That said, I think baud is looking very bad here. He's not throwing his toys out of his pram. There's an air of acceptance, which isn't what I'd expect from baudib if he was being mislynched on d1 for the third game running.

He's gone to ground when if he's a villager he'd be bawling like a child.

I like this more than a keith lynch. There's more chance I'm wrong about keith, my case on him pretty much entirely revolves around him not being as stupid as he's coming across to me here. But maybe he is just being stupid. Or maybe I am. baudib, there's tons of reasons why he's a good lynch.

I'm sticking.

Ong pushes baudib over keith and explains why very clearly.

#235, 237 and 238

Ong I have a high opinion of your village game but you're either off here or you're not a villager, which is it?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do here. Gabe could be wolfin' yet again but no one is gonna listen to me over him (for good reason I'll admit) on D1 when basically no one is doing much of anything.

I'm starting to think Huber is a villager too so I don't know wtf else to do here, like this whole game is null and I'm posting a lot so I'm always a target. It's fine, eventually I guess I'll learn and adjust and get better.

I'm still WIFOMing over almost everything Huber says. I think he's more interested in finding wolves than saving himself. Then again it looks pretty safe for him as I look like the sure lynch here.

Baudib wolf doing a poor job framing his teammate in a good light.

Baudib villager spending time talking about dhub for no good reason.

Baud is on the ropes and tries to confuse his stance on dhuber.Drew picks up on it immediately. Baud felt his stance on dhuber was important enough for him to do this before he died... (baud went quiet after this), I think this is a wolf lean for dhuber

#240+241

lynch Ongbonga

Ong isnt being villager ong here. Villager ong would have led a charge on me days ago over my low post count. This ong doesnt care enough to look through and find wolves though, because he is one. There is little reason for wolfong to reread the thread at this point, because baudib is an easy target, along with keith. Villager ong would care more that he had votes, would be ungodly suspicious of the people voting him, and wouldnt be content to just throw in the towel.

As far as baudib, all i can see are backwards conspiracy theories akin to duck going "arooo i mean quack". Its not unlikely that baudib was just having a bit of fun early, and cant maths very well under excitement. However, its incredibly unlikely a wolf would do either of those things. When a wolf posts, he looks over his post a billion times to make sure its right and isnt a smoking gun to be used against him. I highly doubt wolf baudib would be this careless as a wolf, but the same argument does not apply if hes a villager. Maybe his wolf game is crazy and he would do this, i dont know anything about that. But this game, here in the now, all i see is evidence that hes town.

Finally people making sense here. I think JKDS and I read Ong better than most of you.

JKDS defending baudib

Baud may be tricking us over dhuber but I still want to bite

[Keybored]

I will be disappointed if dhuber is a wolf because it means he threw away a game winning day1 by coming off the gas so hard

Dhoobs clearly had it but didn't see the big picture. And he's been bamboozled ever since. He's an easy lynch today.

[Keybored]

New rule!

Well, not so much new but clarification now that we're deeper into the game. I deliberately haven't fully explained when the revive will happen because I think it's the duty of the players to figure out how the roles fit into the strategy and all. The revive exists for two reasons: (1) keep the game from ending too early in case of a blowout. We're past that. (2) Give the village a mini-seer power where they can operate around the knowledge of a confirmed villager. I've been waiting to see how things land to see what the most fair policy is. Anyways, here's the rule

The dead thread has to get two successful saves in order to activate the revive. That means on the night that there are 2 ghost angels left, the revive will take place. Then there will be no more ghost angels. However, unlike before, the revive will no longer include an auto-block of the night kill. That was a necessary clause to give it teeth and keep the game from ending too early, but the purpose is gone now

Does anyone else feel like we're playing The WW Hunger Games?
I vote we rename! May the odds be ever in your favor.

[BankItDrew]

Baud is on the ropes and tries to confuse his stance on dhuber.Drew picks up on it immediately. Baud felt his stance on dhuber was important enough for him to do this before he died... (baud went quiet after this), I think this is a wolf lean for dhuber

JKDS defending baudib

I don't mind the JKDS defend of baudib, to me it looks like a sincere villager giving his honest opinion on baudib. I thought he was town too.

As far as the baudib talking about dhuber like that - I totally forgot about it. It's actually the best piece of evidence I'm aware of in favor of dhub being a wolf.

[Luco]

yeah that jkds defend was ok I guess. this post from baud is more worrying
#99

JKDS post: It's not wolfy. But as I said before, just talking about game mechanics makes it easy for wolves to post. I mean, I think trying to soul read the intentions of people regarding this dead thread thing is a little silly. We want to lynch wolves. Wolves want to lynch villagers, and I doubt they're gonna roll over to gain some EV on the night kill.

Gabe post: IDK, Gabe can be cryptic at times. Maybe he's planning on being unavailable for most of the game. Maybe he's intrigued by the possibilities of this new wrinkle. Maybe he said it to draw reaction and to read people off that. Who knows? He agrees with me about Dhuber being a bit awkward, so that has me feeling ok about him, but it's Gabe.

because when you look at it more closely its not saying anything at all

[BankItDrew]

The hardest thing to do in this game is talk about why lynching a villager is a good idea, when you're the wolf.

[Luco]

rescind jkds, lynch dhubermex

[OngBonga]

rescind jkds, lynch dhubermex

This is probably gonna force my hand.

[OngBonga]

drew is flipping between me and doober, that makes no sense. If drew thinks I'm a wolf, doob should look really clean to him, and vice versa.

[Keybored]

drew is flipping between me and doober, that makes no sense. If drew thinks I'm a wolf, doob should look really clean to him, and vice versa.

Uh...u mean Luco?

[MadMojoMonkey]

For the record, I don't like the rule change, but it doesn't change anything for the village.

The advantage gained by eliminating another wolf outweighs the advantage of blocking noms, even at the cost of the revive at this point. The benefits of getting the wolf population down to 1 are enormous.

In short, the revive will almost definitely happen. Here's the exception:
If today and the next 2 days combined net only 1 wolf and no ghost angel saves, then the living will be 2v/1w with 4 (pointless) ghost angel saves.

If today and the next 2 days combined net only 1 wolf and 1 ghost angel save, then the living will be 3v/1w with 3 saves. Either the lynch wins or the dead protect everyone, which is the 2nd save, and the revive.

***
JKDS and ong are never both wolves after their exchange.

gabe and ong are never both wolves with the line gabe is taking today.

If dhuber flips village, then JKDS is a wolf w/ gabe (or 1 of BID, keybored is showing a legendary game).

I don't like the disneyland comment at all, but just in case, I'm against a JKDS lynch today.

I think dhuber or gabe is the right call. It's just that gabe was on the right side of day 1 and day 2, so I'm less excited about him.

Frankly, the only mark against gabe in my eyes is that his content is lacking. There's a ton of info in this thread and gabe seems to be floundering for reads.

[Keybored]

Uh...u mean Luco?

IDK, you quoted Luco and then popped a q to Gabe right away.
Sorry if I'm not following...

[MadMojoMonkey]

If today and the next 2 days combined net only 1 wolf and 1 ghost angel save, then the living will be 3v/1w with 3 saves. Either the lynch wins or the dead protect everyone, which is the 2nd save, and the revive.

Crap, I can be bad at math, too. It's 75% to get the save... but come on... if the dead can't suss it by then, we're done for.

[Keybored]

MadMoMo...Hell yeah, baby!
Well, all that crap about the rule changes aside (too weird for me to follow).
Looky here...
Point 1: True dat
Point 2: True dat
Point 3: True dat
Point 4: True dat
Point 5: True dat
Point last: True, true

Go Niners!!

For the record, I don't like the rule change, but it doesn't change anything for the village.

The advantage gained by eliminating another wolf outweighs the advantage of blocking noms, even at the cost of the revive at this point. The benefits of getting the wolf population down to 1 are enormous.

In short, the revive will almost definitely happen. Here's the exception:
If today and the next 2 days combined net only 1 wolf and no ghost angel saves, then the living will be 2v/1w with 4 (pointless) ghost angel saves.

If today and the next 2 days combined net only 1 wolf and 1 ghost angel save, then the living will be 3v/1w with 3 saves. Either the lynch wins or the dead protect everyone, which is the 2nd save, and the revive.

***
JKDS and ong are never both wolves after their exchange.

gabe and ong are never both wolves with the line gabe is taking today.

If dhuber flips village, then JKDS is a wolf w/ gabe (or 1 of BID, keybored is showing a legendary game).

I don't like the disneyland comment at all, but just in case, I'm against a JKDS lynch today.

I think dhuber or gabe is the right call. It's just that gabe was on the right side of day 1 and day 2, so I'm less excited about him.

Frankly, the only mark against gabe in my eyes is that his content is lacking. There's a ton of info in this thread and gabe seems to be floundering for reads.

[OngBonga]

IDK, you quoted Luco and then popped a q to Gabe right away.
Sorry if I'm not following...

No I meant drew, the luco quote had nothing to do with the comment you're referring to. Luco isn't saying I'm a wolf one minute and then doober the next. drew is. I don't even know if it matters. It just seems weird. Does drew think I'm a wolf with doober? Or is it a case of there must be one betwen them? idk because he hasn't explained himself. His case on me is gut. His case on doobs is mmm said so. This doesn't feel right.

drew is making me nervous, even more so considering noone else seems to be worried about him. It's funny because usually everyone wants to lynch him and I'm saying nah he's a villager, leave him be.

[MadMojoMonkey]

OH, BID is spewing like a donk, and it's making me stare.

Since you bring it up, my exact thoughts were, "What the fuck is wrong with you." By you, I was thinking of BID. Just in case that wasn't clear.

It reads like a level 0 BID trying "be all meta, guys!"
Which is a stupid and dangerous line to take at this point in the game.

[Keybored]

Hoopy has posted just 2x in this d3. I still get a village feel off him but it makes me nervous that he's intentionally absent so much. Come on, Hoopy. Engage...

[Keybored]

I'll compile an updated reads list tonight.

I've had BID on the fence first couple game days but this d3 he's just been rapid-firing a bunch of one-liners here/there. The more cryptic he gets the wolfier he feels to me. I'd like to see some depth; hopefully it'll happen in this reads list he'd promised.

[BankItDrew]

I've changed my mind. Maybe tomorrow. I'm super hung over today and so I'd rather wait till I can make sense again, instead of spewing more.

[JKDS]

Im back, was fun, no proposal, ww time!

[JKDS]

Day 3 ends soon. Lets talk some brief strategy, then lynch ong.

In order to find wolves, it is usually a good idea to figure out who isnt a wolf. Narrowing the pool of potential wolves increases that pool's % chance of being a wolf. This is well known theory for almost every ftr reg, and is common on mafiascum as well.

With that said, let me give you all one final nail in the coffin for ong. Relax, this argument stands for itself and does not require you to believe keith (though you should, hes 2/3 so far).

Axiom: Ong is fully aware that finding villagers helps the village. Whenever hes a villager, he is constantly posting about who is a wolf in addition to who is a villager.

Proof by contradiction:
1) Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that: Ong is a villager
2) As a villager, ong wants to find wolves
3) B/c ong knows finding villagers helps find wolves, ong would find villagers
4) Rilla died over 100 posts ago
5) Since that death, Ong has not said anyone was a villager
5) Since that death, Ong has not made cases for anyone being a villager
6) We have a contradiction.
7) QED, the assumption is false. Ong is not a villager.

We are on day 3 and two wolves have died. How has ong, if hes a villager, not shouted from the hilltops how x, y, z are villagers? Wheres the vote analysis? Wheres the "Luco, Hoopy, BID all switched to Rilla late day 2 and caused rilla to die, theyre unlikely to be wolves"? He hasnt done jack shit since two wolves have died to clear anyone. In fact, for the past 100 posts, I get the distinct impression that hes keeping his options open. He is able to say whatever about anyone right now, and is going out of his way to find reasons people are suspicious. BUT he isnt doing this to show why theyre likely villagers! Are we really to believe that with 2 wolves binked, no one looks villagery to ong? Really?

What if ong's a wolf? Then it makes obvious sense to play this way. Of course he doesnt want to clear villagers, theres only 2 wolves left. Clearing villagers practically ensures a wolf loss at this point, with angel saves remaining. He wouldnt want anyone having lynch immunity, because then the pool of mislynches shrinks and the noose around the wolves gets tighter.

Control F ong's name since rilla's death on post 434. He says im wolfy, gabe and doob are wolfy (442). He says im wolfy (456). He says doobs and drew are wolfy (475). He says Drew and I are wolfy (476). He shows that he was 'important' to baudib and rilla's death (477, btw nice self preservation attempt), gabe wolfin (504, 505, 506, 507). Gabe, jkds, drew wolfing (511). Dont lynch doober, b/c drew/jkds/gabe are wolves (526, note he doesnt say doob is a villager...he left his option open), drew wolfin (546), drew wolfin (552)

In his entire history since Rilla's death, there is not a single mention of someone being a villager. Not one. Does that sound like villager ong to you, or an ong who wants everyone to be mislynch fodder?

TLDR: Ong, as a villager, would have posted villager reads since Rilla's death. He hasnt, b/c hes not a villager.

[JKDS]

Anyone saying Luco and BID could be wolves is crazy. Stop looking at their 'suspicious' posts, and look at how the two of them with Hoopy assassinated Rilla day2. I was going to be lynched, then all of a sudden the three of them switch to Rilla....rilla takes the lead (then ong joins...) and he dies.

Are any of you seriously saying that BID or Luco decided "hey, we're one wolf down, lets kill another!"? Preposterous. These three should get immunity for several days until they get a mountain of wolfy stuff. And i mean a mountain. This one little thing of killing off a second wolf is so huge, that no amount of "thats suspicious..." is gonna due. Ya'll cray cray.

[JKDS]

As for doober, ive argued this before but its been ignored:

Baudib made a modkillable error day 1. Before Wuf could get to it, dhub posts this

My third game and I've finally rolled vanilla.

I really don't know what to make of baudib's posts. Of course some come off as wolfy, but they'd have to with as much as there is to read already. I'm not for a baudib lynch or wagon at this time. Post #58 is obv boo-hiss (glad he knows how to use that feature now so he can pwn spammers in his forums tho) and up to mod-wuf what to do about that.

Yea, its not unfair to uses posts based on mod-inaction w/e. But you cant unring a bell. This post was made and im not ignoring it. Dhuber defends baudib...when any second baudib can be modkilled and revealed as a wolf. Tell me, does a wolf ever do this? They discuss shit in the den, and a modkill possibility is serious and would have been discussed. With Baudib potentially on death row, does another wolf defend him like this? I think the answers no. This is certainly reason enough to let dhuber slide for a few days too .

Oh, btw, both Baudib and Rilla were voting for Dhuber day1 and were pushing it fairly hard. Dhuber gets a pass for now guys, cmon.

[Luco]

no proposal

[Keybored]

JKDS...so your def of Dhuber is vote behavior and mod speak? Indeed, he had 2 wolves vote against him but votes can easily be a tool used to hide wolf trax, esp with so many of them. V-Rilla would never have put a vote d1 on such an obv noob but W-Rilla did to camo his moves. IMO, adding to his suspicion and quick hanging. Secondly, Dhuber modded game b4 last and then noob Baud modded the next (subbed 4 BID). So there was much more sharing among mods lately than prob normal. Addly, we had a mod crisis last gm that led to the uncomfortably high mod sensitivity early this game. Dhuber will confirm. Thus, his motive was not game driven; I.e., not meant to affect play. In fact, Dhuber will prob admit he shoulda not made that comment publically but did so only due to weirdness of recent mod shit and technically that comment should be removed from record. Thus, inadmissible as evidence for gamesmanship. This point being brought forth may actually be cause for Wuf to roll in on and rule. Lastly, I feel if u throw out that evidence and consider my point about Rilla's voting, a relook at Dhuber's comments will reveal noob-wolf fosho.

[Keybored]

BTW, one should not propose at an amusement park. Better to anticipate such around upcoming holidays. ; )

[JKDS]

If rilla was voting dhub for deceptive purposes, why wouldn't he just stay on baudib instead? It doesn't make sense, meanwhile voting a villager instead of baudib makes plenty.

[Keybored]

JKDS, I agree w/u mostly about Luco & BID. But u shouldn't lump them together when analyzing vote behavior. That must be done individually, unless you're talking about BOTH of them being wolf. I'm certain nobody thinks that. So, I can easily see one of them using vote deception in that example u cite. FWIW, ain't no way Luco is wolf. But BID ain't cleared yet. Jury's out till he testifies...after detox tomorrow.

[Keybored]

If rilla was voting dhub for deceptive purposes, why wouldn't he just stay on baudib instead? It doesn't make sense, meanwhile voting a villager instead of baudib makes plenty.

This kinda circular reasoning (aka, WIFOM, --Baud) is why I hate trying to analyze voting. Sometimes votes easily reveal missteps. But most often they can be alleged infinitum; ergo, not credible enuf for admission. Addly, vote over-analysis tends to cause ppl's eyes to glaze.

[Keybored]

For me, verbiage and intent are highest contributing factors for hunting. Past performance and consistency are next. Then, it's participation and content. Last is voting and speculation. But that's prob TMI.

[dhubermex]

I think we had a close victory and are letting it slip away. I may not be around to post much by deadline, but think there's more than enough information to go on once I flip. I still believe strongest wolf candidates are Ong/Keybored/Luco and regret that (in my opinion) village is over-complicating matters.

Even if I wind up getting nominated (looks probable at this point), there's still a strong possibility for Village to pull this out, but if that happens and when I flip village-friendly, I'd recommend taking a more simple, practical approach at spotting the final two wolves.

[Keybored]

Crap...phone's near death. Will analyze the JKDS-Ong love fest tmro.

[Hoopy]

jkds - ong
key - jkds
mmm - rilla
luco - jkds
ong -jkds
daven - jkds
rilla - dhubs
gabe - key
dhubs - ong
bid - key

hoops - nobody

ong - 2
jkds - 4 (lead)
rilla - 1
dhubs - 1
key - 2

Under 3 hours left

With three wolves in the game, I can't help but think that if JKDS is a wolf, they really fucked up their voting strat.

This is a really good point by drew. JKDS's last post before he was about to get lynched looks very villagery.

ive never felt this right about a day 1 lynch

Good read gg

Some internal wolf humor?

[Hoopy]

lynch gabe

gabe is a wolf guys, he's way too quiet and lurking in the background.

daven's reasoning for why baudib was a wolf was spot on. its the type of logic that cant be faked.

daven you are a 99.6% villager so you probably are dying tonight. gg

This post is on night 1. Obviously keith got nommed instead, this just seems a very gabe like play to me. Say something definite when you already know the opposite will happen.

[Hoopy]

JKDS #560 is a great argument for why dhuber is not a wolf, everybody who's on him should rescind.

[Luco]

If rilla was voting dhub for deceptive purposes, why wouldn't he just stay on baudib instead? It doesn't make sense, meanwhile voting a villager instead of baudib makes plenty.

rtft dude (that stands for read the thread)

Rillz voted baud and keith d1, then dhubs d2. Your statement is false

[Hoopy]

I think the last one is keybored.

[Luco]

I think we had a close victory and are letting it slip away. I may not be around to post much by deadline, but think there's more than enough information to go on once I flip. I still believe strongest wolf candidates are Ong/Keybored/Luco and regret that (in my opinion) village is over-complicating matters.

Even if I wind up getting nominated (looks probable at this point), there's still a strong possibility for Village to pull this out, but if that happens and when I flip village-friendly, I'd recommend taking a more simple, practical approach at spotting the final two wolves.

If you can't be bothered then you shouldn't live to endgame regardless of alignment. You aren't hunting, you aren't even reading, you're just coasting on assumed cred.

I could show you right now precisely why ong, keybored and luco are not wolves but it would be a waste of my time as you've obviously checked out, and given how much you love saying 'I'm a villager and I want to win' your efforts have been lacklustre.

[OngBonga]

JKDS, I've spent this whole game on the defensive. And despite this I am trying to find reasons for people to be a villager. If I were a wolf I'd have been on the doobs wagon with a boner. But fact is I don't think he's a wolf. I think you are, with drew/gabe. I've found reasons for hoopy/luco/doobs/mmm/keyb to be villagers. I'm keeping my options open? I'm not gonna be on any of those wagonsin any hurry.

I've just woken up, I'm not doing this yet again. You are wrong and you probably know it. Most of this game you have attacked me. You have done nothing with the flips yourself, demonstrated by the fact that you are ignoring the countless reasons why I am a villager, and fosucssing on why I'm a wolf. This is exactly what you did last game. Only this time I don't think you're being honest.

Also, why are you giving drew a clean pass for killing rilla? His contribution was to reluctantly jump on when it was gaining steam. Why are you playing down my contribution as unimportant while clearing drew? You say I'm not looking for villagers, which is flase, while you are looking in the wrong places for villagers.

I'll be back in an hour or two and I'll show you guys every post of drew's with the word rilla in it, and show you that JKDS is talking out of his arse. He's complaining about me not looking for villagers, while bullshitting villager reads himself.

[Luco]

On re-reading I keep seeing that first attack on dhuber and it looks so genuine

rescind dhuber and thank baud if he's villager

god damn jkds has to be a wolf here but nobody wants to hear it

lynch gabe

[OngBonga]

Im kinda thinking jkds deserves a pass for sheer effort if nothing else

anyone up for a rilla lynch instead?

I'd rather stay on ong. Luco, come to the dark side.

You'll either look like a genius or you can blame me.

During the next hour the tide turns against rilla, with hoopy and luco voting for him, and drew then jumps on...

1) rilla has been lazy this game

2) JKDS showed a lot of heart and effort just now, more than most wolves would ever make

3) my vote on ong seems to be pointless right now

Therefore, rescind ong lynch rilla

This is what JKDS is clearing drew for. JKDS is complaining that I'm not doing enough to hunt for villagers. Is this your idea of village hunting JKDS? Just vaguely see who voted for rilla and then dish the v points out to whoever you don't want to take a lunge at? Good work.

Of course JKDS is a wolf.

[OngBonga]

JKDS' buddy is probably drew, not gabe.

[OngBonga]

prediction - we lynch JKDS, he flips wolf, drew insta bolds me tomorrow.

[Luco]

prediction - we lynch JKDS

How? 2 votes does not a majority make

Same problem with drew, we're the only ones with any appetite for his lynch

[OngBonga]

I wasn't being entirely serious. I'm basically mocking drew and jkds before I get strung up.

[Keybored]

On re-reading I keep seeing that first attack on dhuber and it looks so genuine
rescind dhuber and thank baud if he's villager
god damn jkds has to be a wolf here but nobody wants to hear it
lynch gabe

I'm done with Dhuber. Nobody agrees, so maybe I'm the weirdo there.

Glad Hoopy showed up. Musta beena good wknd!

I've been on the Gabe attack b4 and he's just getting wolfier as game goes on.
I agree, he'd be super deadly if we let him get to the end.
Rescind and Lynch GABE

And if BID doesn't give us his thoughts with enuf time for us to all see it or if he doesn't get around to it at all, then I'd def be shooting for him next. My prediction is he'll just slap some weaksauce on the meat to make us happy.

[Luco]

JKDS' buddy is probably drew, not gabe.

Yeah a gabewolf doesn't explain why baudib went crazy over dhuber's villager comment but totally ignored drew's villager comment, only a bidwolf / huberwolf explains that

Just one in a series of odd happenings around drew this game. He must have known that clamming up like this under pressure would look bad

Nothing he's done stands out to me. I don't recall talking to him or anything.

Basically, I have no read either way.

But he did it anyway. Note that there was no offer to read through and try to form an opinion - so not only does he have no opinion on jkds, he apparently has no interest in forming one. Frankly it's worse than any response I was imagining in the 30 minutes it took him to reply.

So I try a change of tack...

ok, do you have thoughts on our other living players then?

I'll compile an updated reads list tonight.

...and again he's evasive. Not one read on one single player is freely given here. Nothing. Why not?

Screw it

rescind gabe lynch bankitdrew

[Keybored]

I think the last one is keybored.

Oh, hey Hoopy. Almost forgot you were playing.

FWIW, I understand my read about you wasn't all smileys and lollz, but I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with me. Also, your lack of justification here indicates you're playing MMM's card of picking off the noobs b4 end-of-game. I get that and quite expect it and tbh. As I develop my skills and run deeper in future games, I'll likely do the same. Alas, your subtlety is noted and adds v-cred to you nonetheless. But keep in mind, after the 3rd wolf (gabe probly) hangs, the lynchings will certainly run me & doobs, then you. In betw, there'll be protects and revives but in the true end game, BID, JKDS, Luco, MMM, and Ong will battle this out for us. And I'm good with that...

[Luco]

Oh, hey Hoopy. Almost forgot you were playing.

FWIW, I understand my read about you wasn't all smileys and lollz, but I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with me. Also, your lack of justification here indicates you're playing MMM's card of picking off the noobs b4 end-of-game. I get that and quite expect it and tbh. As I develop my skills and run deeper in future games, I'll likely do the same. Alas, your subtlety is noted and adds v-cred to you nonetheless. But keep in mind, after the 3rd wolf (gabe probly) hangs, the lynchings will certainly run me & doobs, then you. In betw, there'll be protects and revives but in the true end game, BID, JKDS, Luco, MMM, and Ong will battle this out for us. And I'm good with that...

I feel like you've been putting yourself down too much, I've seen tons of good posts from you and honestly the only players I'm worried about leaving to endgame are the absentees (dhuber and gabe)

[Luco]

I think the last one is keybored.

His thought processes are far too convoluted to be wolfy.

[Luco]

I'm done with Dhuber. Nobody agrees, so maybe I'm the weirdo there.

I totally agree on dhuber btw. He's so wolfy it's unreal, but that baudib attack had TEETH and it really looks like a genuine attempt to get him lynched

[JKDS]

During the next hour the tide turns against rilla, with hoopy and luco voting for him, and drew then jumps on...



This is what JKDS is clearing drew for. JKDS is complaining that I'm not doing enough to hunt for villagers. Is this your idea of village hunting JKDS? Just vaguely see who voted for rilla and then dish the v points out to whoever you don't want to take a lunge at? Good work.

Of course JKDS is a wolf.

Drew jumps on? It was TWO HOURS before deadline, with myself still in the lead. Drew ensured Rilla's death over mine. And when you say "the tide was turning", what tide? a mere 3 votes? Two of which near deadline? Thats not much of a tide.

The ad hominems are getting annoying too. I am hunting, and have provided cases for why most of the village are villagers and narrowed the pool down to essentially you and keybored. However, this has nothing to do with why YOU arent finding villagers. Stop smokescreening.

Ong, tell me seriously. Why havent you posted villager reads since rilla died? I called you out, and you still havent. Convince me your villager game really changed so much that you cant be bothered to do this anymore, and I'll back off.

[OngBonga]

drew would probably be expecting me to vote rilla, I would've thought it was obvious that I was probing you with my vote rather than parking. And still, if you're a wolf with drew, then he's thrown rilla under the bus instead of you. Hardly surprising since rilla was an obvious wolf.

Why haven't I posted villager reads since rilla died? Because I've been hunting wolves. Forgive me for feeling somewhat buoyed by the flips we've had. You might be keen to impress that I had minimal influence, but we all know that's not true. And besides, I've narrowed it down to you, drew and gabe. So my villager reads are those who are not wolf reads.

Answer me this JKDS...

Who's the 2/3?

Relax, this argument stands for itself and does not require you to believe keith (though you should, hes 2/3 so far).

Because this is what I see keith saying...

yeah then we lynch you ,baud and keybored and we are at least at 1:5 and maybe better.

Keith is 1/3 so far, unless you know different.

[OngBonga]

I think it might be JKDS and keybored, hence the 2/3 comment. JKDS is pointing the finger at keybored but notice he's swinging for me first. When I flip villager he can back off kybored no problem.

[JKDS]

LUCO: From what I've seen of gabe, he's been villagery and nailing wolves. I was casing ong, and gabe suggests a rilla lynch, then Hoopy/luco/bid lynch rilla and day2 ends.

Why do you think gabe is a wolf? Summarize it for me.

[Luco]

#122 after ong accuses baud of trying to deflect heat onto huber

Ong, you've been on me 3 straight games, and in the past two, I was really confident you were doing it as a villager. I get the same feeling here. It's like you're trying too hard to make up reasons for voting me. We're past the stage of "lulz lynch Baudib D1."

Also Ong, I'm not deflecting, I'm answering an attack on me while reinforcing that I want more heat put on the guy I am actually voting for. I could vote for Keith but really, if given the choice I'd probably want him around longer than Huber, even if he is up my ass and is a better wolf than anyone else in this game, with the possible exception of Gabe. (I don't know enough about JKDS/MMM's wolf ability, but they're probably villagers).

Big V points for dhuber and ong here

#203 to #206

baudib and dhuber both need to get it

rescind and lynch baudib


i think daven's reasoning is good enough on baudib. although i disagree with him saying we lynch ong next. we'll just see

Gabe:

I'm not really bothered that you are voting me here. I AM slightly troubled that you don't care to weigh in on this Keith-Ong thing that looks pretty suspicious to me.

see jkds post for that

are you saying you think it's V-V? Fair enough, could be. It could be once again the wolves are slanking in the background, waiting for the village to tear itself apart.

If you guys are hell-bent on mislynching me and buy Daven's ridiculous reads off some jokes I was making before I even knew what my role was, there's not much I can do. There's still plenty of time to find a wolf, but I'm sure the wolves are pretty damn satisfied right now and will probably avoid posting too much before deadline.

I will do my best to protect those worth protecting in the after life.

Two things:
1/ gabe pushes baud and discourages ong, v point
2/ Is this w-w? Possibly not

[JKDS]

I remember Keith suggesting Baudib, you , and rilla were wolves.

[OngBonga]

And besides, if I'm a wolf, why wouldn't I think "oh shit JKDS has called me out for not spazzing villager reads, better get on it". I'm happy with my contribution so far JKDS. I've played a much more significant role in both lynches than you did. I'm not gonna let you play my role down. You might get me lynched JKDS, but I'm not gonna flip wolf. What's your plan for tomorrow?

[OngBonga]

I remember Keith suggesting Baudib, you , and rilla were wolves.

quote or it didn't happen

[JKDS]

Luco, if the wolves wanted a wolf in the dead thread, its reasonable that Ong would be pushing baudib. You were right in that rilla didnt vote dhuber day 1, but he voted baudib day1. So theres already evidence of one wolf going after another, i wouldnt be surprised if there were two.

Last game, there was this whole thing about how two ppl going at it are never w-w too...and then it was w-w. A FPS may have encouraged it here in addition to the other incentives.

[Luco]

LUCO: From what I've seen of gabe, he's been villagery and nailing wolves. I was casing ong, and gabe suggests a rilla lynch, then Hoopy/luco/bid lynch rilla and day2 ends.

Why do you think gabe is a wolf? Summarize it for me.

Gabe is in the mix by process of elimination, being quiet, and not giving much away in his interactions with confirmed wolves

[JKDS]

Ong, if you're not a wolf then i have to seriously reread this thread.

Now I'm asking you, as an obviously pro-town thing to do, post some damn villager reads and why. Do you disagree that this helps us??????

[OngBonga]

Ong, if you're not a wolf then i have to seriously reread this thread.

Now I'm asking you, as an obviously pro-town thing to do, post some damn villager reads and why. Do you disagree that this helps us??????

Of course it helps. My villager reads are mmm, doobs, hoops, keyb, luco... based on them not being one of jkds drew and gabe.

There's still 6 hours left, I'll start looking individually at this group before deadline. At the moment I'm playing poker.

Now your turn - who are the wolves assuming I'm a villager?