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[a500lbgorilla]

That leaves us with lurkers: Rilla (actually, he's an inactive) and JKDS.
I realize Rilla is some kinda super-hero and basically untouchable; but I don't know JKDS.

This is stupid. Lynch me or don't. This sense that people are untouchable is backwards.

[a500lbgorilla]

This game set up is dumb. It's a game where nothing matters. Take the game where the village has no powers and fix it by giving the dead all the powers and reducing wolf killing power.

That said, the only avenue for the wolves to win is to control the vote. So lynch by top post count.

lynch buadib

[a500lbgorilla]

because i think outside the box ,i was the first to say way back when a seer outed with a known wolf that he should be left alive for the vig to shoot rather than insta lynch. i got grief for it then but its pretty much standard practice now.you are talking as if you know that ong and baud are wolves. if so what is the difference between x ,baud,ong and baud,ong,x. the same people are lynchedbut the later is better for he wolves and he first is better for the village.

lynch Keith

1. If you think they're a wolf, lynch them.

2. If the village loses with 4 night angels, we get to guaranteed blocks and 2 player revives.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Post #115

Keith we missed your ego-driven paranoia last game. <3 Really Keith, if you think someone is a wolf you need to vote them hard and push for it, not "save them." If you can explain how it would be better to not lynch a wolf I'd be glad to hear it.

I'm not trying to get anything going, Keith. I am pretty clearly against a Rilla lynch today and probably any day unless he starts howling. Just musing about the inactives, and really Keybored posting here made me think of Ciggie Butt again.

Of the two inactives, I'd far prefer to get Daven killed off because A. he's harder to read IMO, he plays it low-key as a villager and B. my revenge motive, as noted.

But I notice you don't mention anything about me getting a Daven wagon going. This is once again just like when Scourrge subbed in for a soon-to-be modkilled Lolzz, whose bandwagon was getting a lot of interest.

I realize you do this sort of tinfoiling as a villager but it reeks so much of agenda here.

I'll give you a pass for now because you really could be a villager here, and I still want to hear more from Dhuber.

Between Ong and baud, I find what could be seen as "double-talk" in baud's posts.

This post is one example.

Baud is pointing attention at Daven, but leaves his vote on Ong.

This attention on Daven is suspect since it comes after the JKDS post about lynching an inactive on day1, and daven had not yet "activated".

rescind Luco

lynch baudib

[baudib]

This game set up is dumb. It's a game where nothing matters. Take the game where the village has no powers and fix it by giving the dead all the powers and reducing wolf killing power.

That said, the only avenue for the wolves to win is to control the vote. So lynch by top post count.

lynch buadib

Rilla, good to see you show up.

This post doesn't seem like you. Are you feeling ok?

[gabe]

ive never felt this right about a day 1 lynch

[BankItDrew]

I wonder if wuf leaned towards not modkilling baudib because he was a wolf and it might fuck up his game.

[OngBonga]

I wonder if wuf leaned towards not modkilling baudib because he was a wolf and it might fuck up his game.

Maybe but I wouldn't want to even factor this into decision making. Trying to outguess the mod is unhelpful and a distraction to what we should be doing.

That said, I think baud is looking very bad here. He's not throwing his toys out of his pram. There's an air of acceptance, which isn't what I'd expect from baudib if he was being mislynched on d1 for the third game running.

He's gone to ground when if he's a villager he'd be bawling like a child.

I like this more than a keith lynch. There's more chance I'm wrong about keith, my case on him pretty much entirely revolves around him not being as stupid as he's coming across to me here. But maybe he is just being stupid. Or maybe I am. baudib, there's tons of reasons why he's a good lynch.

I'm sticking.

[baudib]

ive never felt this right about a day 1 lynch

Good read gg

[baudib]

Ong I have a high opinion of your village game but you're either off here or you're not a villager, which is it?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do here. Gabe could be wolfin' yet again but no one is gonna listen to me over him (for good reason I'll admit) on D1 when basically no one is doing much of anything.

I'm starting to think Huber is a villager too so I don't know wtf else to do here, like this whole game is null and I'm posting a lot so I'm always a target. It's fine, eventually I guess I'll learn and adjust and get better.

[OngBonga]

Ong I have a high opinion of your village game but you're either off here or you're not a villager, which is it?

There's a loaded question if ever I saw one.

You're either a wolf, or you're not a villager, which is it?

[baudib]

The Ong jump onto baudib wagon is highly suspicious imo, and is prompting me to change my initial read. I think baudib is a likely Day 1 lynch (besides myself) and this decision could cost my own neck but I think there's something to read in Ong's post (and its timing) to lynch someone who could very likely go early.

Therefore...

Rescind Keith

Lynch Ong

I'm still WIFOMing over almost everything Huber says. I think he's more interested in finding wolves than saving himself. Then again it looks pretty safe for him as I look like the sure lynch here.

[BankItDrew]

Baudib wolf doing a poor job framing his teammate in a good light.

Baudib villager spending time talking about dhub for no good reason.

[Luco]

lynch keith

his strat this game is way below par for villager keith. Not buying it.

[JKDS]

lynch Ongbonga

Ong isnt being villager ong here. Villager ong would have led a charge on me days ago over my low post count. This ong doesnt care enough to look through and find wolves though, because he is one. There is little reason for wolfong to reread the thread at this point, because baudib is an easy target, along with keith. Villager ong would care more that he had votes, would be ungodly suspicious of the people voting him, and wouldnt be content to just throw in the towel.

As far as baudib, all i can see are backwards conspiracy theories akin to duck going "arooo i mean quack". Its not unlikely that baudib was just having a bit of fun early, and cant maths very well under excitement. However, its incredibly unlikely a wolf would do either of those things. When a wolf posts, he looks over his post a billion times to make sure its right and isnt a smoking gun to be used against him. I highly doubt wolf baudib would be this careless as a wolf, but the same argument does not apply if hes a villager. Maybe his wolf game is crazy and he would do this, i dont know anything about that. But this game, here in the now, all i see is evidence that hes town.

[baudib]

Finally people making sense here. I think JKDS and I read Ong better than most of you.

[Keith]

If there are no successful saves by the time enough players are dead to normally end the game, 2 ghost angels will be exchanged for one dead player to be revived and that night's nom will be auto-blocked. This can happen two nights in a row if need be, but it will require all 4 ghost angels

another point is that the wolves could choose to deliberately block night 1 and ensure that the village don't get a revived confirmed villager

lynch Keith

1. If you think they're a wolf, lynch them.

2. If the village loses with 4 night angels, we get to guaranteed blocks and 2 player revives.

sacrificing a highly lynchable wolf d1 ensures that the village don't get the guaranteed blocks and player revival if the wolves choose to ensure a block occurs but hey why the hell should the village care about that.

[Keith]

deliberately blocking a kill tonight also ensures deadlock for the n2 angel saves as well.

[BankItDrew]

It's entirely possible that I'm completely misunderstanding keith's strat. Keith, yes or no, is putting a villager in the dead thread as the ghost angel better than lynching a wolf Day 1?

[Hoopy]

Don't want to lynch baudib today, or anyone really now that drew made a good post.

he was town in anon - moarcowbell

Should have remembered that.

[OngBonga]

Haha JKDS that's 2/0 since your return. You think I'd lead the charge on you on d1? Not unless you were howling like keith and baudib. I had noticed you were quiet, but I don't really consider activity on your part to be alignment indicative. And I'm not throwing in the towel. I had a hangover this morning and was in a pissy mood. And anyway, since when do I throw the towel in as wolf? Remember when you soulread me then went to bed? What happened? Yeah I went ballistic and talked my way out of lynch. That's what wolf ong does, I don't give up. You should know this.

keith, one minute you think that wolves want control of the angels to get a guaranteed kill, next you're suggesting they'll deliberately not kill. Those who are saying this is standard villager keith are insulting you keith.

[Keith]

i'm saying that putting a wolf in charge of the dead thread n1 gives them lots of options to screw over the village. they can make sure that we don't get any players revived which in tight ratio game leaves us little room for mislynchs and we have no seer to help us. then its a crapshoot and the wolves can steer wagons the way that they want.

[Keith]

yeah , because i went back and read the revival bit again and thought how the wolves can turn that to their advantage. I'm thinking about the game , not many others are .

[OngBonga]

keith, the reason this is stupid is thus...

We can't win unless we lynch wolves. The wolves can't win unless they mislynch villagers, they can't do it by night kills alone while they can win by mislynch alone. Therefore, killing wolves is +ev for village and killing villagers is -ev. If the wolves have all the power in the world in the dead thread, then that is awesome because it means we have all the power where it matters.

[BankItDrew]

i'm saying that putting a wolf in charge of the dead thread n1 gives them lots of options to screw over the village. they can make sure that we don't get any players revived which in tight ratio game leaves us little room for mislynchs and we have no seer to help us. then its a crapshoot and the wolves can steer wagons the way that they want.

I'll take that as a yes.

I disagree though. Accoring to your idea, the best play may be to self lynch and nominate yourself as our powerful angel.

[a500lbgorilla]

another point is that the wolves could choose to deliberately block night 1 and ensure that the village don't get a revived confirmed villager


sacrificing a highly lynchable wolf d1 ensures that the village don't get the guaranteed blocks and player revival if the wolves choose to ensure a block occurs but hey why the hell should the village care about that.

The village is incentivized to miss all blocks, which leads to 2 revives and 2 guaranteed blocks.

[Keith]

keith, the reason this is stupid is thus...

We can't win unless we lynch wolves. The wolves can't win unless they mislynch villagers, they can't do it by night kills alone while they can win by mislynch alone. Therefore, killing wolves is +ev for village and killing villagers is -ev. If the wolves have all the power in the world in the dead thread, then that is awesome because it means we have all the power where it matters.

stupidest post of the game. The whole fricking p[oint is that i'm not saying that we never lynch wolves , but instead of lynching the real howlers ong and baud on day 1and 2 , we leave them til day2 and 3 and make sure that they don't screw up the only advantages that we get as villagers in this game . Game isn't won on day1/n1 but we can sure as hell make a loss a lot more certain by letting the wolves control the angels.
.

[OngBonga]

Now you're getting offended.

[a500lbgorilla]

i'm saying that putting a wolf in charge of the dead thread n1 gives them lots of options to screw over the village. they can make sure that we don't get any players revived which in tight ratio game leaves us little room for mislynchs and we have no seer to help us. then its a crapshoot and the wolves can steer wagons the way that they want.

By blocking a wolf kill? Or by allowing the wolf kill through? All for being down 1 wolf.

[OngBonga]

You are actually suggesting that village's best move today is to kill a villager.

This kinda reminds me of when I was saying we should lynch a vanilla because I was pretending to be the seer with 2 clears in the bag. I was talking out of my arse but convincing people I at least believed what I was saying by means of sheer persistence.

[JKDS]

This whole argument is a waste of time, and distracts from finding wolves. Lynching someone who is a lock villager is obviously retarded, not that we have any yet. Lynching someone who is villagery day 1 is also statistically no different than lynching someone who is wolfy day1. The fact is, we suck at finding wolves, and ftr's day 1 success rate is probably less than 10%. We have no control over who our lynchee's role is, so arguing to put, or not to put, villagers in the dead thread is useless and a distraction.

[Keith]

are you saying that we should lynch you then ong and ensure we get a wolf?

[JKDS]

Although, it is the kind of thing wolves would have talked about in the thread. They actually do know, and can somewhat control it. We have no idea what theyre gonna do though, and even if they did try to lynch one of their own...we wouldnt know unless they were successful.

So stop it.

[JKDS]

Idk who thats directed at keith, but Im saying this talk of the dead thread is hooey, and distracts from finding wolves and lynching wolfy ppl.

[OngBonga]

Anyone know the count and how long is left?

[OngBonga]

Ok I think we have just under an hour, but VC I haven't got round to yet. I'm pokering so some fucker else do it.

[Keybored]

Ok I think we have just under an hour, but VC I haven't got round to yet. I'm pokering so some fucker else do it.

Lynch ModBot

[OngBonga]

I think it's me and baud tied with 4, keith on 2. baud tiebreaks.

[wufwugy]

Lynch ModBot

Don't do this. I don't know what you mean. I don't know if you think you're calling Ong the modbot and lynching him or if you're joking and are still on your previous bold choice. Now I have to figure out what to do with your bold

[wufwugy]

^^Looks to me like a joke, but you never know how things get interpreted. [b]lynch so n so[b] should not be messed with

[Hoopy]

I think it's me and baud tied with 4, keith on 2. baud tiebreaks.

Got the same count, with BID and JKDS both on 1.

lynch keith

For wanting to kill a villager rather than a wolf today.

[Hoopy]

rescind keith

Nahhhthat's a bad vote, keith is probably a villager going for the lateral thinking play.

[Keith]

interesting strategic vote by hoopy , do ong and baud jump over onto my wagon and lose the dead thread control that they have been after or stay as they are and control the dead thread.

[OngBonga]

baudib is offline so I'm not even sure I expect a wolf flip anymore.

[Keith]

nah hoopy put the vote back on me .....lets see what ong and baud do . there actions now will give the village lots of info

[wufwugy]

jkds - ong
luco - keith
mmm - baud
rilla - keith
key - jkds
keith - bid
gabe - baud
dhubs - ong
bid - ong
baud - ong
ong - baud
daven - baud

hoopy - nobody

ong - 4
keith - 2
baud - 4 (lead)
jkds - 1
bid - 1

[wufwugy]

Day's over. I'll make sure my count is right

[OngBonga]

Can we night talk?

[wufwugy]

I don't see why not

[Hoopy]

Fuck I thought we had a few more hours.

[OngBonga]

I said we had under an hour about an hour ago.

[wufwugy]

O dat Baudib

The Living

Gabe
MMM
JKDS
Dhuber
Ong
BID
Keith
Hoops
Rillz
Keybored
Luco
Daven

The Dead

A crazy, themed game (or ur mam)
baudib

The Village

9 villagers
3 wolves
4 ghost angels!


Tis Night 1. Wolves have 24 hours to put in a nom. Y'all can talk

[OngBonga]

BOOM

Haha poor baudib d1 lynch again

[OngBonga]

I like hoopy for villager. He could've nailed me but he didn't.

[OngBonga]

keith was online too and wasn't on my wagon, even though he says I'm a wolf. He could've lynched me to save baudib and noone would batted an eyelid. Fuck keith is a villager.

[Keith]

wow , baudib blatantly wanted to get killed so he could control the angels,and said as much, who would have thought it. Pity no one warned about it......or did they.

[OngBonga]

keyboard was lurking too and didn't kill me

daven's attack on baudib was soild as fuck and surely not wolf on wolf

So from my pov I got daven, keith, hoopy and keybored all villagers, and that's purely based on me not dying. I haven't even begun reading baudib's posts.

[wufwugy]

I see my choice to not modkill Baud has been questioned. Here's the answer: nobody gets modkilled there. Modkills are reserved for deliberate breaking of rules or gaining an unfair advantage for your team, not for accidents that don't affect anything.

The modkill is a dangerous weapon. Unless behavior fits one of my earlier listed criteria, I err on the side of caution. Out-of-control modkilling can get ridiculous and usually just punishes people for technicalities instead of intentions or effects on their ability to win

[OngBonga]

wow , baudib blatantly wanted to get killed so he could control the angels,and said as much, who would have thought it. Pity no one warned about it......or did they.

I remain unconvinced this was their plan. Seems to me like wolves are in the shit already.

[Keith]

yes you are

[OngBonga]

yes you are

lol get some sleep keith and we'll discuss this tomorrow.

[Keybored]

^^Looks to me like a joke, but you never know how things get interpreted. [b]lynch so n so[b] should not be messed with

Sorry...Good thing Baud wasn't Mod. He'd have zapped me fo sho.

[dhubermex]

lol so much for my read that baudib was a village lean. Just goes to show I have so much to learn still. Time to go back through baud's posts and see what I can come up with.

[daven]

i think it's worth everyone re-reading the first ten posts.
baudib practically aroos in those posts....
Lynch Baudib, not close imo

IIRC, I was posting on my phone and then got home and took a few minutes getting settled before I got on my laptop.

I'm sure that makes me a lock wolf though.

gg

[daven]

keybored next i guess.

[JKDS]

Im terrible at ww now :/

[BankItDrew]

Right on.

Not as good as a vanilla WW Day 1 bink because of the ghost angel thing but I'll take it.

I guess baudib is crazy all the time, regardless of role

daven is looking good at this moment. wish I hadn't said that I disagreed with him re: ong/baudib

[daven]

lol so much for my read that baudib was a village lean. Just goes to show I have so much to learn still. Time to go back through baud's posts and see what I can come up with.

nah, time to go back through all the posts in the knowledge that baudib is wolf and see what you come up with.
but you already know who the villagers are.
wolf.

[Keybored]

Right on.

Not as good as a vanilla WW Day 1 bink because of the ghost angel thing but I'll take it.

I guess baudib is crazy all the time, regardless of role

daven is looking good at this moment. wish I hadn't said that I disagreed with him re: ong/baudib

Sweet...I also think he's crazy all the time. But that WIFOM defense should live on in infamy! Instant classic.

[gabe]

daven's reasoning for why baudib was a wolf was spot on. its the type of logic that cant be faked.

daven you are a 99.6% villager so you probably are dying tonight. gg

[BankItDrew]

The only concern I have with baudib getting the lynch is that the wolves may have very well gone into this game with the plan of controlling the ghost angel, while at the same time cinching others as lock villagers.

[daven]

The only concern I have with baudib getting the lynch is that the wolves may have very well gone into this game with the plan of controlling the ghost angel, while at the same time cinching others as lock villagers.

there is no combination of four wolves that is this stupid, so don't worry your pretty head doll

[daven]

daven's reasoning for why baudib was a wolf was spot on. its the type of logic that cant be faked.

daven you are a 99.6% villager so you probably are dying tonight. gg

cheers, does that mean you might finally get to play a day 2 without being immediately cast as wolf as a result?
nh.

[daven]

meh, guess i should put my thoughts out there before i get gat... will do
wuf, can you please confirm that the wolves can't end the night early with an early nom tonight?

[dhubermex]

Im terrible at ww now :/

I feel the same way... not that I was ever good to begin with.