No theme werewolf gameplay thread

[a500lbgorilla]

Poking and prodding is asking for the last 3 wolves and looking for my villager-thinking, not grabbing the wheel by both balls and slamming on the gas.

Are you suggesting you're deliberately playing to your wolf meta when villager for balance? Because I'm thinking that needs to be put to the test.

No. I would never merge my range.

[OngBonga]

Ok who are the other three wolves rilla?

[daven]

interesting night kill

Ok who are the other three wolves rilla?

pretty sure jkds is one of them, and the other two are in {gabe/dhuber/luco/rilla}

lynch jkds

[MadMojoMonkey]

@Rilla:
What are your thoughts on Hoopy?

What are your thoughts on the fact that Keith was the one nommed?

[OngBonga]

I'm happy to add some pressure on him too. rilla is at least forced to either hunt or pretend to, so let's see what he does.

lynch jkds

[Luco]

Rilla one big feature of your (and gabe's) villager game is you find villagers quite easily. Why haven't you (or gabe) found any villagers yet?

[MadMojoMonkey]

The 'why is gabe alive?' meta could have been a strong gambit from the wolves... if they had planned to nom/protect gabe... thereby doubling down on a strategy to burn the ghost angel / revive mechanic.

The fact that their best opportunity to block was on N1, and they nommed, I surmise that wolves' strat is to deal with the revive mech. in another way.

[Luco]

aww yiss

rescind rilla, lynch jkds

[Hoopy]

Well, there's nothing notable betw these 2 IMO.

Daven feels very town and seems to actively hunt.

BUT, after looking at Hoopy:
Ultra-Lurkish behavior!
Casts a suspicion on just about everyone but doesn't commit to anything.
Didn't vote d1, FFS!! Claims he thought there was "more time" despite Ong's blatant 1-hr warning.
Rescind and Lynch Hoopy

Naturally, he'll say, "no wolf would ever be allowed to miss a vote."
Uh huh...

Think about this, I could have killed Ong yesterday and saved baduib. It would have been consistent with my thinking that baudib wasn't a wolf. Despite what keith said I don't think controlling the angels for 1 night was that important to the wolves, keeping their numbers up is more important.

And I didn't cast suspicion on just everyone, I haven't even mentioned 1/2 the people playing.

[Hoopy]

JKDS with the low post count, last time he was this quiet he was.............a wolf!

[Hoopy]

lynch Ongbonga

Ong isnt being villager ong here. Villager ong would have led a charge on me days ago over my low post count. This ong doesnt care enough to look through and find wolves though, because he is one. There is little reason for wolfong to reread the thread at this point, because baudib is an easy target, along with keith. Villager ong would care more that he had votes, would be ungodly suspicious of the people voting him, and wouldnt be content to just throw in the towel.

As far as baudib, all i can see are backwards conspiracy theories akin to duck going "arooo i mean quack". Its not unlikely that baudib was just having a bit of fun early, and cant maths very well under excitement. However, its incredibly unlikely a wolf would do either of those things. When a wolf posts, he looks over his post a billion times to make sure its right and isnt a smoking gun to be used against him. I highly doubt wolf baudib would be this careless as a wolf, but the same argument does not apply if hes a villager. Maybe his wolf game is crazy and he would do this, i dont know anything about that. But this game, here in the now, all i see is evidence that hes town.

Finally people making sense here. I think JKDS and I read Ong better than most of you.

But would JKDS defend a fellow wolf so obviously? Seems risky with how close the voting was.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Think about this, I could have killed Ong yesterday and saved baduib. It would have been consistent with my thinking that baudib wasn't a wolf. Despite what keith said I don't think controlling the angels for 1 night was that important to the wolves, keeping their numbers up is more important.

And I didn't cast suspicion on just everyone, I haven't even mentioned 1/2 the people playing.

The closeness of the vote means that the wolves were comfortable with the baud lynch. Your argument that you could have saved baud does not imply any V-cred.

[wufwugy]

christ im slammed today and havent had time to even read the thread.

day 2 ends at 3pm pst tomorrow

[MadMojoMonkey]

Three votes on JKDS, all quick and without a case made.

I have trouble seeing through JKDS, so someone make the case.

***
Rilla is wolfy as sin - overly, blatantly wolfy - and he's asking for a pass... 'cause lolz.


lynch a500lbgorilla

[gabe]

Rilla one big feature of your (and gabe's) villager game is you find villagers quite easily. Why haven't you (or gabe) found any villagers yet?

i know it seems obvious guess that daven=village, but i made a point to emphasize that his exact logic was very hard to pull off as a wolf


dhuber rilla and keybored are the 3 most suspicious today. i dont care which one gets it

[Keybored]

MMM...In response to your post 389 above, here's my case for JKDS:


Post #16, straight out of the chute he goes for the kill with no reasoning...

lynch baudib

Post #17...meaningless questioning of the game rules.

Post #57, MMM calls out JKDS for being "very balanced" after only posting 2x...
[QUOTE=MadMojoMonkey;2212805]
Kieth has his head in the game, so I'm leaning toward vil on him, too.
Pretty much the same goes for JKDS, except he always comes across as wolfy to me, so yeah.
I'm saying his game seems very balanced to me, and I have no read.

Post #62...

rescind baudib

Post #169 from MMM with some early reads...

I want to hear more from the late-comers / low-posters. (gabe, JKDS, BID, rilla, hoopy, daven)

Post #173, lurking around the Keith/Ong wagon...

I cant be the only one watching who thinks Keith looks like standard villager keith after this exchange.

Post #176, Ong immediately asks wtf (to which, JKDS never responded)...

Is that really all you've got to say on the matter?

Post #225, I noticed JKDS lurking and voted to lynch (again, no rebuttal from him)...

I agree, no point taking out a top poster without better evidence.
That leaves us with lurkers: Rilla (actually, he's an inactive) and JKDS.
I realize Rilla is some kinda super-hero and basically untouchable; but I don't know JKDS.
So...with ~9 hours left in this 4-days long d1, I'm down with a lurker vote.
Rescind and LYNCH JKDS

Post #240...His first/only insightful input to the village the entire game so far...

lynch Ongbonga
Ong isnt being villager ong here. Villager ong would have led a charge on me days ago over my low post count. This ong doesnt care enough to look through and find wolves though, because he is one. There is little reason for wolfong to reread the thread at this point, because baudib is an easy target, along with keith. Villager ong would care more that he had votes, would be ungodly suspicious of the people voting him, and wouldnt be content to just throw in the towel.

Posts #256, 258, 259 are from JKDS but all about dead thread crap containing no meaning.

Post #272, for reference...

Day's over. I'll make sure my count is right

Post #291, deep thoughts by JKDS...

Im terrible at ww now :/

Post #317, Ong "feeling weird" about JKDS...

This is more like it keith.

This post of doober's is the most stand out post I can find with the knowledge baudib is a wolf. Here doober is avoiding a wolf wagon while sitting on the fence of two villager wagons. He votes for keith but leaves the door open to switch to me later.

Also JKDS' push at me could be an attempt to move votes away from baudib. It also has a pre-emptive feel about it, it feels like he's expecting me to come swinging for him and is countering what he's anticipating before I attack. It feels weird.
doober and JKDS my picks based on baudib flip.

Post #323, Ong's wolf pix after an epic read list...

*doober rilla jkds

Post #333, n1 ends/d2 starts with Keith's demise (for reference)...

Keith r ded
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Tis Day 2. You have 48 hours. 6 to lynch

Post #337, wagon train starts to circle (still nothing from JKDS)...

Ong is a villager. so is mmm, hoopy, keybored, daven and drew.
the wolves are in gabe, huber, jkds, rilla

Post #378, voting begins (no reply to this either)...

interesting night kill
pretty sure jkds is one of them, and the other two are in {gabe/dhuber/luco/rilla}
lynch jkds

Post #380, vote by Ong (not a peep from JKDS)...

I'm happy to add some pressure on him too. rilla is at least forced to either hunt or pretend to, so let's see what he does.
lynch jkds

Post #383, Luco jumps on (crickets)...

aww yiss
rescind rilla, lynch jkds

Post #385, Hoopy not willing to jump on the wagon but sniffing around it (crickets)...

JKDS with the low post count, last time he was this quiet he was.............a wolf!

Post #389, MadMoMo wondering why there's no JKDS case but jumps on Rilla with the "lolz" attack...

Three votes on JKDS, all quick and without a case made.
I have trouble seeing through JKDS, so someone make the case.
***
Rilla is wolfy as sin - overly, blatantly wolfy - and he's asking for a pass... 'cause lolz.
lynch a500lbgorilla

So, this was an epic multiquote that may have an error or two; try not to hate on a stupid mistake plz. Also, during its drafting, it's possible JKDS finally showed up to the table with something to say and stepped on me; but I doubt it.

Bottom line on bottom...JKDS hasn't answered a single callout and now his wagon circle is getting tighter by the minute.
Rescind and Lynch JKDS

[JKDS]

I see votes for me, dont know why, and dont really care. I suspect theyre because of my low activity, but law school is hard and my fall break is over. I got some time right now to finally look over the thread, but idk whats going on with these games anymore. Ive been gone far too long to have any real meaningful insights, but I can provide some alternate views that might help. Brb

[JKDS]

Early Game Analysis, the Keith Kaboom Kalashnikov

ok I looked. Villager.

I'm going to state openly that I haven't read these crazy Wuf rules for this game so I'll let Keith and Ong and others sort it out. I'm poasting from work now but will crank it up tomorrow.

Why Keith and Ong? Keith ended up a villager, but are these two the ones most likely to explain rules? I would, rilla would, gabe would, mmm clearly would. If ong is a wolf, baudib may not want to signal ong out without throwing a villager into the mix as well. Fact of the matter is Baudib was more than interested in looking at the rules himself, as he almost immediately showed.

Jesus fuck will you shut up already.

But then again, im not sure wolf ong would say this. If the yabbering is wolfy, which ppl thought it was, idk if Ong would say ‘shut up’ in the thread. He’d den it.

sick game, i think. i almost wanna die now

Said in response to the rules. Soon after, baudib makes a math ‘fuck up’…which Ong immediately catches. Was it really a fuck up? Or was this purely intentional? Both Ong and Buadib had been posting, if they are both wolves…they could also have been posting together in a den thread.
Keith, who was strongly pushing for this, is now dead. If keith wasn’t right, wouldn’t wolves leave him alive to get a shot at mislynching ong? Keith is a dog with a bone, he doesn’t let go. He’d provide constant pressure on ong and others fitting this theory, and he would have a chance at protection on all future nights. If ong is a wolf, he is a very dangerous person to let live.

Luco questions Ong’s reasoning, and instead of explaining…ong ignores it. If ong was sure of this fuck up, why didn’t he explain it further? If hes sure that he has evidence against baudib, why doesn’t he care if its clear enough to understand?
Keith explains his theory that we need to kill a villager

Keith, I know where you're coming from because this went through my mind too, but obviously it's always going to be better to lynch a wolf than not.

I think the thing to take away is that D1, the cost of a mislynch is less than normal. If we mislynch, we have a shot at blocking the wolves' kill. If we get a wolf, then obviously the wolf alone in the dead thread would never stop the wolves' kill.

Baudib is a wolf. Maybe he did want to die. Maybe not. But if his plan is to die, the very next post made makes a ton of sense.

MEh, I sorta hate talking about new game mechanics so much. I realize it's inevitable and there's not much else to talk about when like 6 people have checked in.

But new wrinkles to the game makes it easy for wolves to post early on, and it's something that ridiculously made me want to clear Keith before just because I agreed with what he was saying.

Is he concerned that keith has it binked? Is he concerned that he just literally said it crossed his mind? Obv, killing villagers is wrong, but baudib wants to shoo this conversation under the rug.
Evidence Ong was happy with his read when he ignored luco’s confusion?

Spazzy opening might well be role nautral or even villager tells with you. I've seen you wolf once and that was your first game. Spazzy opening are not my concern. I'm conrcerned about your numbers, and where that comes from.

Although come to think of it I seem to recall you doing this is the last non-anon game. Everything you posted seemed to come from a wolf midset, not villager. And you were a pissing villager. So I'm not gonna be hugely surprised if I'm wrong. But your numbers stink.

And I like how you point your finger at me the instant I point mine at you. That's not your usual reaction, you're usually pretty sharp in correctly towning me while I shout at you. But not here. Noted.

MMM makes a post not buying Ong’s argument.
Ong responds to this one though, explaining it. Why does it matter now?
I don’t find the tone of Ong v Baudib weird, so there is that. It doesn’t feel unnatural. Its just that keith’s theory holds water here and is worth considering since he was at least part right…and is now dead.

[JKDS]

Late Early Game: Reads given Keith's theory...right or wrong

baudib has 23 posts already, wow.

I don't want to lynch him today because a) activity and b) D1 modkill last game.

If hoopy is a wolf, then Keith’s plan is bullshit because Hoopy is advocating against the plan. Activity reasons are powerful reasons not to lynch, and idk if he’d push for this if the wolves collectively want baudib dead.

with no specials to worry about surely we should snick off a lurker

Same with luco, who also didn’t understand Ong’s numbers post. If Keith’s theory holds, neither of these people are wolves.
If keith’s theory doesn’t hold, then ong is a villager and luco/hoopy look wolfy for protecting baudib here.
MMM likewise fought against the numbers logic, and even posted reasons to find him villagery.
But…when keith attacks Baud/ong conspiracy…Ong immediately says “keith cannot be this fucking stupid”.
Eventually, ong clears keith…essentially believing he couldn’t be so stupid as a wolf, and thus is a villager. Even if keith’s theory is wrong, he may die if the wolves thought him the most villagery…and ong seems to think hes pretty villagery after.

Baudib admits to editing keiths posts. He is like, “Oh shit”. Before Wuf responds, Dhauber posts this…

My third game and I've finally rolled vanilla.

I really don't know what to make of baudib's posts. Of course some come off as wolfy, but they'd have to with as much as there is to read already. I'm not for a baudib lynch or wagon at this time. Post #58 is obv boo-hiss (glad he knows how to use that feature now so he can pwn spammers in his forums tho) and up to mod-wuf what to do about that.

I believe MMM is a village lean. I'm crossing my fingers Luco is in the Village camp again this game, because if he isn't we're in deep crap. I'm also leaning villager on Ong and have no reads on the others who have posted so far, so I guess I have nothing useful to contribute at this time.

I agree with MMM... would like to see posts from the four who haven't participated yet.

Suppose wuf responds with a modkill, right there and then. Dhuber would immediately fall under suspicion for this protection post. As such, Dhuber is almost certainly a villager…regardless of Keith’s theory.
Baudib votes to lynch him later, more evidence hes a villager.

I'm pretty confused by the game tbh. I don't know what the best strat for the villagers or the wolves is. I usually consider myself an intelligent person, especially when it comes to games, but FML when it comes to WW variants.

Remember when I was lynched Day 1 in the world war game? I didn't understand that shit either. I thought I was a regular villager and then BAM snap lynched.

Weird post to make if keith’s theory holds and bid is a wolf. Seems BID would want to encourage Baudib’s interpretation. For that reason, I think either keith is wrong or BID is a villager.

Baudib makes this post regarding his mistake.

I tried to click and go back but didn't see anything, and I didn't want to AIDS up the thread more than I have.

I'll let Keith do it, he's a lot smarter with these things.

I was going to summarize what he said but I don't want to taint it with my interpretation so I'll let him fix it or repost.

Baudib never called Keith stupid, but he did laugh at his theory with a big LOL. If keith is right, it would prompt an “oh shit” reaction from baudib like “LOL”, and may also up keith’s villagery-ness and intellect in the den and encourage him to be killed. It may also make Baudib think Keith is smart. Idk, this is probably nothing.
Ong lynches keith…keith who may be considered smart by the wolves, may be considered villager by the wolves, may be completely right regarding baudib/ong, and so far hasn’t really said anything but his wild theory.

Strongest village reads so far are MMM/Hoopy.

Keybored looks good but it's like two posts.

These posts are always gold. Wolves usually don’t just say 3 people are villagers, so they include wolves in the lists. Which is the wolf? I’ve found wolves tend to overexplain the wolf in their lists while ignoring the vanillas. MMM and Hoopy look like villagers if keith is right, which strongly suggests keybored is a wolf.

Why is hoopy a strong townread? I couldn't remember anything he posted, so I had a look and it's all waffle. He's null as fuck.

Trying to discredit hoopy cred? Because hoopy is smart and a dangerous person to be considered villagery?

[JKDS]

Dhuber, MMM, Hoopy, Luco, and daven all seem like villagers off the first 100 pages considering Keith's theory. Ong looks wolfy, Keybored too, and Baudib made another post saying a wolf is in daven/rilla or something, so rilla looks wolfy too.

[JKDS]

Middle-Late Day1: I believe in BID

My comment of "LOL I give you a village lean for that still stands."

I want to note, however, looking at it again, this reminds me of two games ago. I posted early on about an optimal vig strategy of targeting quieter people. A couple people agreed, some disagreed. Keith had the most to say, tinfoiling that I said it because Ong and I were wolves and obviously wouldn't be under any threat. And of course Keith put on an MVP wolf performance while Ong and I were both villagers.

somewhat of a similar scenario here.

Even MORE discrediting of keith. Why is it so important to shut his theory down? Because Baudib doesn’t want to die? Or because Baudib doesn’t want two wolves to die?
Its interesting that Baudib never actually said “aroooooooo”, which may have caused his death. Many people expressed that killing wolves was best, so its not too likely we’d leave him alone. Maybe keith is wrong here, and the those moving away from ong’s theory and shielding baudib are wolves…while ong is a villager for snap attacking.
Keyboard goes to lynch baudib afterwards. Baudib makes a similar “LOL” post to it. Keyboard is actually villager???

Keith we missed your ego-driven paranoia last game. <3 Really Keith, if you think someone is a wolf you need to vote them hard and push for it, not "save them." If you can explain how it would be better to not lynch a wolf I'd be glad to hear it.

I'm not trying to get anything going, Keith. I am pretty clearly against a Rilla lynch today and probably any day unless he starts howling. Just musing about the inactives, and really Keybored posting here made me think of Ciggie Butt again.

Of the two inactives, I'd far prefer to get Daven killed off because A. he's harder to read IMO, he plays it low-key as a villager and B. my revenge motive, as noted.

But I notice you don't mention anything about me getting a Daven wagon going. This is once again just like when Scourrge subbed in for a soon-to-be modkilled Lolzz, whose bandwagon was getting a lot of interest.

I realize you do this sort of tinfoiling as a villager but it reeks so much of agenda here.

I'll give you a pass for now because you really could be a villager here, and I still want to hear more from Dhuber.

He talks again about this Daven/Rilla thing. Daven wants Baudib dead. This makes rilla wolfy from a strictly level 0 perspective.

Standard Keith is pretty hard to read but if you can go for it.

I am tempted to say Ong-Keith is the standard V-V stuff and I suppose Ong and Keith can get into it regardless of role. But I get a different feel here and think we have at least 1 wolf in Ong-Keith-Keybored, who kinda jumped in on the periphery.

I still like a Huber lynch but his last few posts seemed better, he is still actively avoiding directly answering or addressing my concerns IMO.

Jeeze, ong or keybored have to be a wolf. Huber is most definitely a villager.

I actually think Ong is the wolf here and Daven believes that he made a page 1 soul read.

It's really unlike Ong to sit back and watch the village burn down (popcorn gif is wolfy imo) and then sponge off someone else. I think if he's a villager he goes with his own reads and doesn't jump piggyback off Daven.

lynch Ong

Last minute defense to a Baudib-ong teamup?
Then we have BID’s post

After reading wufs posts eight times, I think I have a good feel for this game. Strategy though - not so much.

Baudib - He's playing quite similar to his previous game as a villager. As far as his math fail and mod edit posts fail, I feel a wolf would be better than that. I have a strong villager lean here.

I love his posting style (crazy mofo who posts a lot). It provides the village with more info than the vast majority of other players. Also, it's at the very least entertaining. If you are someone who gets annoyed with it and wants to lynch baudib early - I'm suspicious of you.

Gabe - Standard gabe. I have no read on him at this point. Might be possible if he posted more than standard gabe.

MMM - Good analysis within his posts. I don't have a read either way tho.

JKDS -
I agree with this quite a bit. +1 point for +EV village strat

Dhuber - I'm a sucker for players who say things like "omg first time i'm a villager" in their opening. I understand this seems to be the norm for him but I don't think he has the balls to pull it off again, especially after getting wtfpwnd last game. Semi-strong villager lean.

Ong - I'm on the fence with ong (I wrote this after his first few posts). I'm currently placing ong on the wolf side of the fence (I wrote this after reading his last few posts). I have a very good read on him imo (I nailed his role the last couple of games early). On one hand, his exchange with baudib early seemed like a sincere villager, but his language is slightly different than villager ong.

BID - Boring villager. I truly love being a wolf waaaaaaay more than anything else.

Keith -
I was thinking the same thing. Although, my gut is suspicious early on Day 1.

Hoops -
That endgame comment seems personal. I may have made two mistakes a year ago but come on, give me a friggen break already. Also, if you think my endgame sucks, why would you think me being a powerful angel would be a good thing for the village?

I think lynching a player who is fairly inactive and of above average skill level would be best in this game. Hoopy gets a wolfy lean for bad village strat.

Rillz - who?

Keybored -
This is so bad. Your reasons are so so bad. Keybored gets a wolf lean for bad village strat.

Luco - Nothing stands out tbh

Daven - I disagree with his reads on baudib and ong.

lynch ong

I'd like to test out my Day 1 soul read. At the very least, he'd make a great dead thread angel.

As a wolf, Does BID give Baudib a strong villager read, when it seems like Baudib thinks hes on the ropes and is gonna die? This would be really risky, idk if a wolf would do it. BID is probably town too.
His reads don’t seem biased, and seem actually good. Hes not giving town cred for ppl just for strat posts, and hes interpreting ppl based on meta and tone and stuff. This post seems super legit.

[JKDS]

Final thoughts

baudib and dhuber both need to get it

rescind and lynch baudib


i think daven's reasoning is good enough on baudib. although i disagree with him saying we lynch ong next. we'll just see

Man, I want keith to be right. If he is, we get info on like every player in the game. No joke. If ongs a wolf, gabe’s a wolf. Ong’s a wolf if keith is right.

Gabe:

I'm not really bothered that you are voting me here. I AM slightly troubled that you don't care to weigh in on this Keith-Ong thing that looks pretty suspicious to me.

Gabe says something

are you saying you think it's V-V? Fair enough, could be. It could be once again the wolves are slanking in the background, waiting for the village to tear itself apart.

If you guys are hell-bent on mislynching me and buy Daven's ridiculous reads off some jokes I was making before I even knew what my role was, there's not much I can do. There's still plenty of time to find a wolf, but I'm sure the wolves are pretty damn satisfied right now and will probably avoid posting too much before deadline.

I will do my best to protect those worth protecting in the after life.

Baudib doesn’t fight the assumption that Keith and Ong is villager-villager. We know one is a villager, Baudib wouldn’t want to fight this assumption if Ong is actually a wolf.

I can't be fucking bothered. Kill me because I'm sick of telling keith his argument is stupid. I'll be the dead thread guy. Maybe I get revived. Being d1 lynch isn't so bad this time around.

I maintain that Villager Ong does not do this. He does not just straight give up and let himself die. Wolf ong does, wolf ong especially does given baudib is a wolf. Getting double owned so early in the game would cause a “cant be fucking bothered” type of response. What else would? Why isn’t he using this time to push Baudib, or someone else? Wheres the thread rereads, the “I think x is a villager” posts?

This game set up is dumb. It's a game where nothing matters. Take the game where the village has no powers and fix it by giving the dead all the powers and reducing wolf killing power.

That said, the only avenue for the wolves to win is to control the vote. So lynch by top post count.

lynch buadib

Rilla is mad too? What gives? What was there reason to be mad about at this point in the game? I wasn’t angry. The wolves would be pretty pissed if two wolves were ko-d though already on day1. Rilla, if afk, may have been against a “lets kill one of us” plan in the den…but its too late now. Idk, but I don’t know why a few “omg rilla is afk” posts would cause him to lose his cool.
Baudib dies. Get this. Gabe says Daven is 99.6% villager here now. BID thinks daven is a villager. Daven posted that he thought he would die. Wolves get a free kill. Hoopy says daven is a villager. Luco mentions offhand that “crazy keith may have gotten it right”. I mention that purposesfully dying is a good strategy.
Day opens and daven is dead? NO. Keith dies!!! Why on earth is keith dead? Why isn’t daven, who just nailed baudib and who is now almost cleared by half the village?
Two theories
1) Keith is right, and must die or else
2) Daven is a wolf and thus is a bad nkill target obv.

[JKDS]

lynch ong.

I dont think that daven is a wolf. I think the wolves were forced into kill keith. If ong is a wolf, his own thougths indicate the wolves thought keith was villagery. If ong is a villager, then Keith is wrong, and why the fuck didnt daven die?

Its Ong, if right, then Rilla. If wrong, daven should die.

[gabe]

I agree with alot of what you said but then your conclusion leaves me smdh

Daven can't be a wolf. It's too complicated for baudib and daven to want to try that tactic. It's funny when I mentioned the occam razor thing and daven thought it was wolfy when the point of the post was to protect him


After reading what u said I'm less convinced dhuber needs to die. Maybe we meet in the middle and go rilla?

[daven]

firstly, JKDS, you've done what i expected wolf jkds to do bro - i was pretty sure i was either getting night killed, and that the only exception would be if you were a wolf. The only thing i was expecting but is lacking is reference to my first game

secondly, you spend a whole lot of energy basing things on 'keith's theory'. You're not stupid. So why are you so heavily going with the plan to use keith's theory? seems a plan developed around your decision to nom keith...

also, here's some extracts from your logic train above:

He talks again about this Daven/Rilla thing. Daven wants Baudib dead. This makes rilla wolfy from a strictly level 0 perspective.

Jeeze, ong or keybored have to be a wolf. Huber is most definitely a villager.

->

I dont think that daven is a wolf. I think the wolves were forced into kill keith. If ong is a wolf, his own thougths indicate the wolves thought keith was villagery. If ong is a villager, then Keith is wrong, and why the fuck didnt daven die?

Its Ong, if right, then Rilla. If wrong, daven should die.

surely your logic would mean that if ong is not a wolf then we should hit keybored or rilla? i'm not sure how you're managing to link ong's flip (whichever way he rolls) with me?

yeah, my vote is staying on you. And when you flip wolf i'm going to be lynching your buddy ong next. boom.

[daven]

After reading what u said I'm less convinced dhuber needs to die. Maybe we meet in the middle and go rilla?

you don't think jkds is a wolf? i don't get it

[JKDS]

I just thought about it a bit, and the alternative rational for killing keith is that wolves have a low opinion of him and want him deciding saves. Idk how likely that is, and I still dont think the value in that exceeds the value in killing who ppl were calling a confirmed villager.

I'm the only one really pushing this Keith thing, and I'm doing so close to deadline. That indicates to me that killing keith to level is off the table. Thatll be clearer if I do end up dying, as then no one but a villager pushed it.

@Gabe: I agree that daven is unlikely to be a wolf. Thats why its suspicious that keith is dead. Either the unlikely scenario of daven being a wolf is true...or keith is right about his theory...or the wolves really thought killing keith for dead thread ev was more important than killing confirmed daven. I vote keith theory, and I feel strongly that ong is a wolf (though i was super wrong last game). I feel much less strongly about rilla, but hes my number 2 candidate for sure.

@Daven: I dont know why you think your survival indicates i'm a wolf. You're a player I respect, and wolfme prefers the village not have good confirmed villagers who already binked other wolves. Its obvious :/

[daven]

I just thought about it a bit, and the alternative rational for killing keith is that wolves have a low opinion of him and want him deciding saves.

so framing me isn't another alternative? it's more likely than the theory that the wolves genuinely think that keith as the villager putting up protects in the dead thread is a bad thing for the village vs the alternatives....

Idk how likely that is, and I still dont think the value in that exceeds the value in killing who ppl were calling a confirmed villager.

i'm not a confirmed villager. Only confirmed villager is keith.

@Gabe: I agree that daven is unlikely to be a wolf.

yet you think that we should lynch ong, and if he flips village then i'm the best lynch? consistency is lacking...

@Daven: I dont know why you think your survival indicates i'm a wolf. You're a player I respect, and wolfme prefers the village not have good confirmed villagers who already binked other wolves. Its obvious :/

i'm flattered, cheers. I think you're tricky enough to night kill keith over me to allow suspicion to be cast my way. Other players are also tricksy enough to do this though.

[OngBonga]

I like JKDS' tone but not content. I'm not sure about him right now. This feels like villager JKDS but he's not making a great deal of sense with hs reads. Do you think that my wolf plan is to throw wolves under the bus day by day? Because if you think I'm a wolf with baudib and rilla, that's what I'd be doing.

I think you're placing too much emphasis on keith getting killed. Keith was as confirmed as daven imo, it felt like a coin toss to me, only killing keith keeps pressure on me while removing a strong and persistent villager. That's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. Maybe the wolves wanted rid of him before he turned on them. After baudib died he's gonna carry some weight.

Oh and show me where I've ever thrown a wobbler as a wolf and asked to be lynched. If I have done, well I'll find a time where I did it as villager, because what you've spotted there is a mood tell, not a wolf tell, and not a villager tell. I had a hangover and keith was getting on my tits with his stupid argument.

Luco questions Ong’s reasoning, and instead of explaining…ong ignores it.

I have intentionally ignored nothing. I usually read every post but maybe I missed something, or maybe I thought I replied to him but didn't. I would argue that as a wolf I would be more likely to ensure I'm replying to people who engage me, not less.

I'd like to rescind JKDS and give him more time, he's a lot more willing to engage than rilla, but his vote on me makes that difficult.

rilla what are your thoughts on JKDS?

[OngBonga]

I see votes for me, dont know why, and dont really care.

Wait you're moaning at me for doing this. When does JKDS ever lie down and accept lynch? I can't remember you ever doing it. I don't think you shrugging your shoulders is necessarily a wolf tell, but I'm unimpressed with the hypocrisy, and I'm unimpressed how eager you are to suggest my pissy tone is wolfy.

Anyone can town it up after getting called out. I'm less convicned with JKDS' response having mulled it over. Dude thinks that I'm a wolf who after seeing a buddy die on n1, goes balls out trying to lynch another wolf on d2. If he actually thinks that then why doesn't he lynch rilla and see who I come swinging for tomorrow?

He's swinging for me because he can justify a vote on me better than any other viable lynch.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Votes as far as I can tell:
Bid -> keybored
doober -> ong
ong -> jkds
gabe -> keybored
keybored -> jkds
MMM -> rilla
rilla -> doober
luco -> jkds
daven -> jkds
jkds -> (novote)
hoopy -> (novote)

JKDS(4)
keybored(2)
Ong, rilla, doober(1)

[OngBonga]

I'm on 2, JKDS is voting for me.

[OngBonga]

Another point about JKDS... when he was "soulreading" me last game, he was fistpumping, like "noone hunts like gaston" or whatever. Where's the fistpumping here?

[MadMojoMonkey]

VC:
Bid -> keybored
doober -> ong
ong -> jkds
gabe -> keybored
keybored -> jkds
MMM -> rilla
rilla -> doober
luco -> jkds
daven -> jkds
jkds -> ong
hoopy -> (novote)

JKDS(4)
Ong, keybored(2)
rilla, doober(1)

***
JKDS's line of "busy law student" is neutral at best. The walls of text that follow do seem to come from a busy perspective.
(The rapid-fire of those walls of text is impressive, while indicative of either slapdash thinking or copy/pasta.)

His focus on Keith seems like a villager trying to figure what it means / how to react.
Keith said a lot of things. So much it's hard to tell exactly what he said that got him nommed.
Where I lose JKDS's argument is where he keeps saying, "If Keith is right, then..."
Which is NOT a cleverly composed argument with well defined terms.

Which falls out of line with the law student angle, and favors the "busy" part, which is the part that concerns me.


I don't think JKDS looks good, but rilla looks way worse with his "I'm trying to look wolfy for personal meta-game reasons, lol." argument.

[JKDS]

so framing me isn't another alternative? it's more likely than the theory that the wolves genuinely think that keith as the villager putting up protects in the dead thread is a bad thing for the village vs the alternatives....

i'm not a confirmed villager. Only confirmed villager is keith.

yet you think that we should lynch ong, and if he flips village then i'm the best lynch? consistency is lacking...

i'm flattered, cheers. I think you're tricky enough to night kill keith over me to allow suspicion to be cast my way. Other players are also tricksy enough to do this though.

Read my posts and think before you just gut react to me.
1) NO, framing you is not an alternative. I am the only one suggesting keith is right. I am the only one saying you may be a wolf if keith is wrong, and I did so near deadline. Im a villager. So Framing you or implicating you is off the table. Ive said this before.

2)Almost every night post was saying you were a villager, with gabe saying 99.6%. Thats pretty damn confirmed, much more so than keith would have been before his death...which was the point of my post. If the kill choice is between you and keith, killing keith makes absolutely zero sense unless...

3) Hes right, or youre a wolf, or the wolves felt keith in the dead thread was worth more than killing a nigh confirmed villager.

So yes, if keith's theory is wrong, you're implicated and are the best lynch.


@ONG: If you're a villager, then your villager game sucks now. You used to think through your arguments, and would back off the terrible ones after giving it some thought. You dont now, and its probably to hide your wolf game. Sacrificing your village game to be a better wolf is backwards, lazy, and hurts the village. So w/e, if im wrong again then im wrong again. I lynch ppl who are hurting the village.

You made some random points about me being a hypocrite because I attacked you for things im doing. Even if thats true, im not you. All my arguments are specific to you and your general meta, they dont mean anything when applied to me. Also, if you really think i'd be fistpumping a read on you after last game then you arent giving these games any thought at all anymore.

[JKDS]

Im gonna die. Thats cool.

Listen to me village. Strongly consider why it made sense to kill Keith over Daven night1. Did wolves really do it to level? Have they ever done this night1 (not that I can recall). Has anyone but me pushed it? Not unless I missed a few posts. Have wolves killed threats before in a level0 manner? Yes they have. Does it make sense to kill keith if daven is a wolf? Yes it does.

Lastly, do we generally not look at motivation behind night kills? Yes we do.

Know that these thoughts come from a villager, and respond accordingly tomorrow.

Dhuber is almost certainly a villager. Hoopy, luco, and MMM are very likely villagers if keith is right. However, if keith is wrong, each has sheilded Baudib from pressure earlier in day1.

Thats all i got.

[wufwugy]

jkds - ong
key - jkds
mmm - rilla
luco - jkds
ong -jkds
daven - jkds
rilla - dhubs
gabe - key
dhubs - ong
bid - key

hoops - nobody

ong - 2
jkds - 4 (lead)
rilla - 1
dhubs - 1
key - 2

Under 3 hours left

[Luco]

Im kinda thinking jkds deserves a pass for sheer effort if nothing else

anyone up for a rilla lynch instead?

[BankItDrew]

I don't think JKDS is a wolf and hope that a couple of you jump off. I think he made a strong argument for himself.

[BankItDrew]

Im kinda thinking jkds deserves a pass for sheer effort if nothing else

anyone up for a rilla lynch instead?

I'd rather stay on ong. Luco, come to the dark side.

You'll either look like a genius or you can blame me.

[BankItDrew]

With three wolves in the game, I can't help but think that if JKDS is a wolf, they really fucked up their voting strat.

[Luco]

I'd rather stay on ong. Luco, come to the dark side.

You'll either look like a genius or you can blame me.

meh, rilla and gabe are both quiet and would a villager dhuber go to ground when hes on the ropes? where is he?

all better choices than ong imo

[Hoopy]

I know I've been quiet this game, real life stuff is the reason for that.

Not feeling a JKDS lynch today, strong effort in his last few posts.

rilla is not a villager.

lynch rilla

[Hoopy]

Im kinda thinking jkds deserves a pass for sheer effort if nothing else

anyone up for a rilla lynch instead?

Get on the rilla wagon my man.

[Luco]

rescind jkds, lynch rilla

[Hoopy]

This game set up is dumb. It's a game where nothing matters. Take the game where the village has no powers and fix it by giving the dead all the powers and reducing wolf killing power.

That said, the only avenue for the wolves to win is to control the vote. So lynch by top post count.

lynch buadib

lynch Keith

1. If you think they're a wolf, lynch them.

2. If the village loses with 4 night angels, we get to guaranteed blocks and 2 player revives.

One post right after the other, both look weird to me.

[BankItDrew]

1) rilla has been lazy this game

2) JKDS showed a lot of heart and effort just now, more than most wolves would ever make

3) my vote on ong seems to be pointless right now

Therefore, rescind ong lynch rilla

[Keybored]

Where's DHUBER?? 30 mins into d2 and he offers his one/only input of the entire day...

I'm more for an Ong wagon personally, but wouldn't mind switching to Keybored if it comes to that.

The main reason for suspecting Ong is because of his arguments with Keith who is now a confirmed Villager. Unfortunately that could also be a result of V-on-V discussions which is something that has to also be considered.

As far as my role is concerned, all I can say is that I'm a Villager who's looking to terminate Wolves like most everyone else. I initially thought baudib's posts were a bit wolfy on Page 1, but mistakenly came off of that read early on. In hindsight, it can definitely be argued he "arooos" in those posts, but a good portion of Villagers in all games appear to do so and reading into that requires a lot of skill as well as a lot of subjectivity.

One of baudib's last posts stated that he thought I was genuine in my search for wolves. I wonder if this was a way to throw even more suspicion onto me once he rolled Wolf. Either way, we'll see how it all shakes out and I'm up for answering any direct questions for those who are suspicious of me, as I want the Village to win.

Lynch Ong

[BankItDrew]

Where's DHUBER?? 30 mins into d2 and he offers his one/only input of the entire day...

He's probably happy with a JKDS lynching, for whatever reason.

[Keybored]

Eight ppl have made wolfish pokes at Dhuber since this day started 47 hrs ago and he's been MIA...

the wolves are in gabe, huber, jkds, rilla

^ this

Nice pick up. You're probably right. I like a huber or ong lynch.

lynch dhuber

dhuber keeps on saying how he's a villager and wants to help the village.

pretty sure jkds is one of them, and the other two are in {gabe/dhuber/luco/rilla}

dhuber rilla and keybored are the 3 most suspicious today. i dont care which one gets it

meh, rilla and gabe are both quiet and would a villager dhuber go to ground when hes on the ropes? where is he?all better choices than ong imo

[OngBonga]

JKDS that's just one huge appeal to emotion. The if you're a villager you suck argument. I don't suck. I was wrong about keith and I was right about baudib. 1/1 for me, I'm happy enough. You're at 0/2 just from me and baudib.

Anyway rilla is the better lynch, I certainly agree with that.

lynch rilla

[Keybored]

I agree with BID and Ong in that JKDS earned a break for effort but that his argument is still suspect. I hope he doesn't take another week to start helping out.

I don't have the experience to know who's being normal or not, so I can't vote on past performances. Rilla may be headed for the noose but at least he's participated today.

Doobs has gone to ground despite significant attention. At best, that makes him a bad villager. At worst, it makes him wolfy. Both are reason enough for me in this eleventh hour.

Rescind and Lynch DHUBERMEX

[wufwugy]

key - dhubs
ong - rilla
bid - rilla
luco - rilla
hoopy - rilla
jkds - ong
mmm - rilla
daven - jkds
rilla - dhubs
gabe - key
dhubs - ong

dhubs - 2
rilla - 5 (lead)
ong - 2
jkds 1
key - 1

[OngBonga]

keybored rilla's getting lynched, be nice to wuf and vote him so maybe wuf gives us the flip before I go out.

[BankItDrew]

keybored rilla's getting lynched, be nice to wuf and vote him so maybe wuf gives us the flip before I go out.

You already know what rilla will flip tho

[OngBonga]

You already know what rilla will flip tho

Powerful argument deserves powerful response.

No I don't.

[BankItDrew]

No I don't.

Touche

[Keybored]

keybored rilla's getting lynched, be nice to wuf and vote him so maybe wuf gives us the flip before I go out.

Hell with that...you know how many crazy posts would sprout from such action. Poor dude's gonna swing but I ain't getting mixed up in it. Plus, I'm strong on the Doob wagon.

[wufwugy]

Rilla r a ded wan. That he r

The Living

Gabe
MMM
JKDS
Dhuber
Ong
BID
Hoops
Keybored
Luco
Daven

The Dead

A crazy, themed game (or ur mam)
baudib
keith
rilla

The Village

8 villagers
2 wolves
4 ghost angels!


You got 24 hours. Talk is free

[BankItDrew]

baahahaha boom shakalaka

ez game

[BankItDrew]

someone post the order of rilla votes

[JKDS]

Daven is obv a villager now, and Keith was now killed either because he was right or considered a deadthread liability. I doubt it was the latter. Ong's a wolf. His 'mood swing' posts make perfect sense given Baudib and Rilla were wolves. Rilla's upset posts make sense if ong is a wolf as well. Also, my general feel that ong is wolfin. (His vote on rilla was after Rilla took the lead btw, it doesnt say anything about him).

Luco, Hoopy, and BID are all almost certainly villagers as well. They coulda let me hang, but killed rilla instead. They collectively shifted the wagon away from me towards a wolf. Obv villagers.

Gabe was now encouraging or lynching both Rilla and Baudib. Hes a villager too.

This game is locked.

[JKDS]

BTW, my state just lost the gay marriage battle. I can marry my bf now Party time!

[Hoopy]

Village is balling.

Wolves be falling.

[wufwugy]

my state lost the mom marriage battle

[JKDS]

Im pretty sure the last two wolves are Ong + Keybored. Everyone else has something to clear them substantially. Hell, throw me in there. W/e, we still win.

You guys better give keith a pat on the back

[OngBonga]

Hahaahaha oh mercy

(His vote on rilla was after Rilla took the lead btw, it doesnt say anything about him).

Look how JKDS is refusing to even ackowledge the role I played in the rilla lynch.

JKDS muct be a wolf here, doobs and gabe the other. Throw me in there and lynch through the four of us for the win.

[OngBonga]

doobs and gabe

* doobs or gabe

[wufwugy]

Daven r ded too

The Living

Gabe
MMM
JKDS
Dhuber
Ong
BID
Hoops
Keybored
Luco

The Dead

A crazy, themed game (or ur mam)
baudib
keith
rilla
daven

The Village

7 villagers
2 wolves
4 ghost angels!


Day 3 now. Ends on Monday, fools. 5 to lynchface

[BankItDrew]

The JKDS and rilla wagon went as follows: (I left out a couple of the JKDS votes I believe)

lynch rilla

Ong was first

lynch rilla

luco second

I'm happy to add some pressure on him too. rilla is at least forced to either hunt or pretend to, so let's see what he does.

lynch jkds

ong jumps off as soon as the JKDS wagon began

aww yiss

rescind rilla, lynch jkds

luco does the same the moment ong jumps off. Also important to note is that neither gave a good reason.

Three votes on JKDS, all quick and without a case made.

Rilla is wolfy as sin - overly, blatantly wolfy - and he's asking for a pass... 'cause lolz.


lynch a500lbgorilla

MMM starts a new rilla wagon, while also pointing out the same thing I did about reasons given. This is a very close thing to a lock villager.

Rescind and Lynch JKDS

Keyborred adds his vote to JKDS after rescinding Hoopy, Hoopy of course was the second on rilla and urged others to follow.

rilla is not a villager.

lynch rilla

#2

rescind jkds, lynch rilla

At this point, the wagon shifts dramatically. I switch from ong to rilla for the reasons I mentioned, making the vote 4-2 I believe, then ong jumps on with:

lynch rilla

IMO This was a pointless vote as the day was about to end. I'm sticking with my initial read of ong being a wolf and this lame attempt at getting villager points is weak.

Rescind and Lynch DHUBERMEX

Here, keyborred jumps off of JKDS and onto dhuber very late in the day, for no apparent reason.

The remaining wolves include ong. The closest thing we have to lock villagers are me, luco, MMM, and hoopy (this is mostly from how the day ended)

[BankItDrew]

Actually, luco is less of a lock villager as the others after reviewing.

[BankItDrew]

I think I obv made a few errors.

The rilla:jkds vote was 4-2 after I jumped on, I was number 4.

[BankItDrew]

lynch ong


let's try this a third time, shall we?

[JKDS]

Ong, your role in lynching rilla can be summarized like this
a) rilla gets mentioned as wolfy
b) ong votes rilla due to activity reasons
c) surprise, rilla is active. unvote
d) attempt to mislynch jkds.
e) Rilla getting lots of votes and now is in the lead very close to deadline!
f) ong votes rilla

Your role in rilla's death was minimal, at best.

lynch ong

[JKDS]

Something to note though

Both Baudib AND Rilla have been trying to lynch Dhuber. BID just pointed out that Keybored randomly switched to him instead of rilla. That is huge, especially since we now know that Dhuber is almost certainly a villager. (Especially given what he said when Baudib could have been modkilled, see one of my last posts).

Its ong and keybored for sure.