Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
I don't even think its a radical position to have. I'm not even talking about a libertarianism vs statism argument anymore. I'm saying even from the point of view of a liberal who's, generally speaking, in favor of a strong government, american society would be closer to those ideals if the entire police state were abolished, or at least, severely diminished. How is it even arguable that cops do harm and good at like a 3:1 ratio or more?

Yeah yeah I know you're in favor of reform. I wish I could reform my dick to make it 9 inches long [edit: in b4 you retort that I shouldn't cut my dick off]. In the mean time can we just agree that the reality is that state police are a blight on American society?
Yeah, I mean, I just think you're absolutely wrong about the source of the problem. Local police should not be para-military entities policing the community from above. They should be integrated into the community and police from within. Federal dollars being allocated for the militarization of local police is directly to blame. It created the police culture we have now. It was the wrong response to the problem as well as a response to an essentially non-existent problem (terrorism).

So, yeah, I'm for a reform of the police culture. I'm of the impression that the guy driving the cruiser in my neighborhood should spend X hours a week going door to door introducing himself to residents and checking in on those who he already knows. Shit like that drops crime, not more patrols, stop and frisk, and the ominous shadow of big brother.