Why not? I doubt we are ahead of many ranges and we are in a horrible position. Are we happy if we hit a Q high flop? What if we hit a J? KQ/KJ could be out there in a limped pot. We are happy to raise pre/cbet the flop...then what?
Plug in your equity holding 72o in multi-handed pots against wide ranges, Cobra.
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OK, so how bad can you possibly be from the SB?
Spoiler:
about 4% over all 5 board cards against 8 Villains playing ATC.
And the same scenario with your actual hand (QJo)?
Spoiler:
Come on man, do it yourself
Now: it's common to get odds up to 7:1 or 9:1 in limped pots from the SB
What odds do you need to nut-mine...?
Well, you can expect to flop 2 pair or better (which I'll call a nut hand for this discussion) with QJo about 5% of the time. This does NOT count when the flop comes AAQ, KKQ, AAJ or KKJ, but DOES count QTT and J88 type flops, as well as all QJx, AKT, KT9, and T98. Of course, QQQ, JJJ, QQJ, and QJJ are in there, but only comprise 0.1% of the flops.
You're getting 9:1 in this pot. that leaves (19 - 9 = ) 10*$0.02 = $0.20 more into a pot of $0.20. If you can't get this implied equity when you hit this flop with 2 pair or better, then you have fold equity that makes it even more profitable to widen your range SB.
Also, 6% of the time, you'll flopOESD (holding QJ or 54), sometimes with a pairto go with it.
Plug in your equity holding 72o in multi-handed pots against wide ranges, Cobra.
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OK, so how bad can you possibly be from the SB?
Spoiler:
about 4% over all 5 board cards against 8 Villains playing ATC.
And the same scenario with your actual hand (QJo)?
Spoiler:
Come on man, do it yourself
Now: it's common to get odds up to 7:1 or 9:1 in limped pots from the SB
What odds do you need to nut-mine...?
Well, you can expect to flop 2 pair or better (which I'll call a nut hand for this discussion) with QJo about 5% of the time. This does NOT count when the flop comes AAQ, KKQ, AAJ or KKJ, but DOES count QTT and J88 type flops, as well as all QJx, AKT, KT9, and T98. Of course, QQQ, JJJ, QQJ, and QJJ are in there, but only comprise 0.1% of the flops.
You're getting 9:1 in this pot. that leaves (19 - 9 = ) 10*$0.02 = $0.20 more into a pot of $0.20. If you can't get this implied equity when you hit this flop with 2 pair or better, then you have fold equity that makes it even more profitable to widen your range SB.
Also, 6% of the time, you'll flopOESD (holding QJ or 54), sometimes with a pairto go with it.
OK, wow. You have literally just shown me something that I had never EVER thought of. I lose so much money from the blinds, which I know is because I hate limping, but this just made me look at it a little differently.
When I get hands like this dealt to me in the SB, in a limped pot, I just think of the chances of somebody limping in with a hand that dominates me ( as I pointed out in this post ) and I just end up folding.
I think this is gonna be the next part of my game I work on.
Originally Posted by Cobra_1878
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