Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
Why not? I doubt we are ahead of many ranges and we are in a horrible position. Are we happy if we hit a Q high flop? What if we hit a J? KQ/KJ could be out there in a limped pot. We are happy to raise pre/cbet the flop...then what?
Plug in your equity holding 72o in multi-handed pots against wide ranges, Cobra.
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OK, so how bad can you possibly be from the SB?
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about 4% over all 5 board cards against 8 Villains playing ATC.

And the same scenario with your actual hand (QJo)?
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Come on man, do it yourself

Now: it's common to get odds up to 7:1 or 9:1 in limped pots from the SB

What odds do you need to nut-mine...?

Well, you can expect to flop 2 pair or better (which I'll call a nut hand for this discussion) with QJo about 5% of the time. This does NOT count when the flop comes AAQ, KKQ, AAJ or KKJ, but DOES count QTT and J88 type flops, as well as all QJx, AKT, KT9, and T98. Of course, QQQ, JJJ, QQJ, and QJJ are in there, but only comprise 0.1% of the flops.

With 5%, you need about 19:1 total equity.

You're getting 9:1 in this pot. that leaves (19 - 9 = ) 10*$0.02 = $0.20 more into a pot of $0.20. If you can't get this implied equity when you hit this flop with 2 pair or better, then you have fold equity that makes it even more profitable to widen your range SB.

Also, 6% of the time, you'll flop OESD (holding QJ or 54), sometimes with a pair to go with it.