3b JJ on bb facing sb back-raise 10nl

[BorisTheSpider]

You misread it Boris. SB raised to 36bb, so that's 36bb + 11bb + 4bb = 51bb in the pot already, as doctor said.

In game I'm pretty sure I'm folding this, but given the math, well, I like shoving.

Yeah, sure, he hasn't just called but has also raised, but that doesn't change what the pot will be in total if we get it all-in.

Look at it this way - if all the money goes in the pot is our/SBs effective stacks when we started the hand (96bb x2) + the 4bb of dead money from the button.

The pot if we shove and get called is definitely 196bb, and we definitely have to risk 85bb to play that pot.

[Imthenewfish]

Yeah, sure, he hasn't just called but has also raised, but that doesn't change what the pot will be in total if we get it all-in.

Look at it this way - if all the money goes in the pot is our/SBs effective stacks when we started the hand (96bb x2) + the 4bb of dead money from the button.

The pot if we shove and get called is definitely 196bb, and we definitely have to risk 85bb to play that pot.

if you have 72o and you cold 4b to 98bb, should you fold to a shove? why? sure, overall it might be a bad play, but the problem lies in the cold 4 bet, not the decision to call after they shove.

(I'm not saying the initial 3b is bad in this hand)