time to start winning

[rpm]

so. for the time being, i am playing online texas holdem again.

[daven]

so. for the time being, i am playing online texas holdem again.

woot!

i suppose a change in life situation (no longer a student with almost endless free time on my hands)

what ya doing now?

as for tilt. it's fascinating. Good luck taming that dragon.

[rpm]

woot!

what ya doing now?

recently quit a terrible factory job and am currently unemployed watching my savings disappear. drinking too much, exercising too little, and not playing enough music.

[daven]

recently quit a terrible factory job

quitting a terrible job sounds good to me

and am currently unemployed

can be good, can be bad - make it good!

watching my savings disappear.

Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery.

spend less/earn more somehow? savings are for disappearing, but make sure you do cool stuff with them as they go. The flush-broke-flush-broke pendulum is a ride people should spend more time on...
what you need to earn for your savings to level out? 25nl cover that?

drinking too much,

drinking ain't bad, hell, some would argue it's never enough
just don't destroy too many days...

exercising too little

fix this.

not playing enough music.

fix this.

best of luck with everything. skype davenpoker. etc.

[rpm]

what you need to earn for your savings to level out? 25nl cover that?

no idea what my hourly EV would be any more. not even sure if i would be a long-term winner, to be honest. i feel like i can see my where my edges are quite clearly when i'm sitting and playing. but then inevitably i make a mistake, large or minor, or even just make a non-standard play that i'm unsure about and which doesn't work out, then tilt like crazy, quit the session immediately, and don't play for a week. so it's hard to really tell.

all the rest

all good advice, cheers. do you use skype much? i'm pretty sure i have davenpoker in my account but i've never seen you online. that said, i'm not on there a heap myself.

[WeaselT]

no idea what my hourly EV would be any more. not even sure if i would be a long-term winner, to be honest. i feel like i can see my where my edges are quite clearly when i'm sitting and playing. but then inevitably i make a mistake, large or minor, or even just make a non-standard play that i'm unsure about and which doesn't work out, then tilt like crazy, quit the session immediately, and don't play for a week. so it's hard to really tell.

Sounds familiar....

[rpm]

thanks robb. villain sat out and quit immediately after this hand (on his BU). i hate to admit that i derived pleasure purely from someone else's displeasure, but goddamn it felt good to know i had rattled his cage a little a bit. it was only $4 he lost, after all.

on a more serious note, i think there's a lesson to be learnt in there about ego and tilt and how they are related. i have a tendency (coming from back when i used to be able to handread a little bit) to make some pretty marginal and questionable plays when i feel i have a read or my bullshit detector is going off. on this occasion, this one worked, and so i felt good. i don't often get to call down 3-barrels with worst pair/worst kicker. so when i made this call and saw his hand, my ego went "woohoo", or something like that. HOWEVER, quite recently in this thread, i said:

i feel like i can see my where my edges are quite clearly when i'm sitting and playing. but then inevitably i make a mistake, large or minor, or even just make a non-standard play that i'm unsure about and which doesn't work out, then tilt like crazy, quit the session immediately, and don't play for a week. so it's hard to really tell.

and so the times i call there and he shows up with one of the 20ish combos of value hands he has in his range (which still comprise <70% of his range, making my call +EV regardless of which actual hand he has) i will often become incredibly results-oriented, second-guessing the shit out of myself, probably convince myself it was FPS, and then yeah i think we all know what happens then.

i had a point when i started writing this. hmmmm. i guess my point is there are two sides to the coin and we should try to detach our emotions from BOTH sides as best we can. i've always believed that positive and negative emotions from poker are actually part of the same process (ego). so celebrating less when you win/play well directly correlates with tilting less when you lose/play bad. i could well be wrong though. after all, i'm probably the most tilted guy around here since luckyslevin.

[Robb]

i'm probably the most tilted guy around here since luckyslevin.

I srsly lol'd - twice. Actually, I'm still laughing.

I get caught in two minds about not getting too high with the wins. Spoon always said that - zen like peacefulness when running good, zen like peacefulness when running bad. Tommy Angelo suggests much the same thing.

But for me, the joy of playing is battling through the valleys to the next peak. Of course, we all know how much I tilt, so maybe my perspective isn't the one you should listen to!