OccupyWallStreet

[wufwugy]

I hear Goldman Sachs provides the cops with excellent spray cans

[baudib]

Occupy Wall Street protests: Police make arrests, use pepper spray as some activists storm barricade

[wufwugy]

Headline should read: American heros attempt to exercise rights, bank employees masquerading as public servants commit assault and battery

[bigred]

Anything happen over the weekend?

I've seen some random sign holders scattered throughout Austin for OccupyAustin

[Shotglass]

Occupy wall street is a joke. It has no public, official demand and the proposed list of demands is hillarious. Most of the people protesting can't even explain why they are protesting.

Try this for a protest instead: Occupy the Fed. It's time that we end the unconstitutional cartel of banks that controls our economy.

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Occupy wall street is a joke. It has no public, official demand and the proposed list of demands is hillarious. Most of the people protesting can't even explain why they are protesting.

Try this for a protest instead: Occupy the Fed. It's time that we end the unconstitutional cartel of banks that controls our economy.

It's a grassroots movement... they may not have the perfect soundbites, but they have the right idea. They are fed up with the status quo and they want change. Being a grassroots movement, it is open to everyone. Why don't you get involved? Do your part to steer things in the right direction... or you can sit at your computer lambasting those who are actually taking action.

[Shotglass]

Why don't you get involved? Do your part to steer things in the right direction... or you can sit at your computer lambasting those who are actually taking action.

I was in Dallas yesterday at one of the 'regional feds' for the kickoff of the occupy the fed. I will be again tomorrow, and prolly most weekends until the end of November. What have you done lately?

[Shotglass]

Anything happen over the weekend?

I've seen some random sign holders scattered throughout Austin for OccupyAustin

Here's your answer:
» Occupy The Fed Hits Austin: Nightly News on The Street Report Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Can we please Occupy the government? That would be so much awesomer.

I like these Occupy guys though.

[wufwugy]

Part of the point of OWS is that Wall Street and multinational corporations are the government. While it would be nice to protest the whores, you have to go to the source and fight the people financing the facade

[Shotglass]

Part of the point of OWS is that Wall Street and multinational corporations are the government. While it would be nice to protest the whores, you have to go to the source and fight the people financing the facade

And that would be the 'federal reserve'; a cartel of offshore banks that are running wall street, several world markets and several countries governments.

[boost]

I was in Dallas yesterday at one of the 'regional feds' for the kickoff of the occupy the fed. I will be again tomorrow, and prolly most weekends until the end of November. What have you done lately?

That's good, I'm happy to hear that you are actively participating. I personally am in a small city in South East Asia right now-- not really sure yet how I can get involved. But my point was not to attack you, but to promote being active, instead of trashing the efforts of others who more or less share the same sentiments as yourself. Sure there are flaws with the OWS movement, but I'm sure there are plenty of flaws with OTF too. One glaring red flag is the National Inflation Association video they have linked. This organization is very suspicious... do a little googling and you'll see why. I'm not going to judge the whole of OTF based on this, but this is actually published on their website... unlike the forum post listing proposed demands on OWS.

[Shotglass]

But my point was not to attack you, but to promote being active, instead of trashing the efforts of others who more or less share the same sentiments as yourself. Sure there are flaws with the OWS movement, but I'm sure there are plenty of flaws with OTF too.

I didn't take it as an attack, sorry if I came across that way. There are flaws with any movement (revolution?) but, as you wrote earlier, the main point is to show that we are FED UP with the status quo.

[BooG690]

Parks and Demonstration - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/05/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

In case some of you may have missed it.

[wufwugy]

And that would be the 'federal reserve'; a cartel of offshore banks that are running wall street, several world markets and several countries governments.

Well, they're all kinda the same people with the same interests. I'd like Occupy the Fed and Occupy Congress as well. What it all boils down to is the crux of OWS anyways, which is bring back democracy by removing the role of big money in elections.

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Parks and Demonstration - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/05/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

In case some of you may have missed it.

Lol, that transvestite of a news anchor just compared OWS to the french and russian revolutionaries, and did so with a negative connotation. Is she smoking crack? Then she goes and compares OWS to the early Nazi movement. Well, yes, Nazi Germany was a result of a people having an insurmountable debt imposed upon them. Not an excuse for what the Nazi's did, but it's just funny that she's pretty much saying the opposite of what she wants to convey.

[lolzzz_321]

I was in Dallas yesterday at one of the 'regional feds' for the kickoff of the occupy the fed. I will be again tomorrow, and prolly most weekends until the end of November. What have you done lately?

Sry I missed your call; I was busy on 10/7 so I couldn't hang out.

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Sry I missed your call; I was busy on 10/7 so I couldn't hang out.

waitin on the A/C repairman?

[wufwugy]

Sry I missed your call; I was busy cybering on 10/7 so I couldn't hang out.

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[Monty3038]

Lol, that transvestite of a news anchor just compared OWS to the french and russian revolutionaries, and did so with a negative connotation. Is she smoking crack? Then she goes and compares OWS to the early Nazi movement. Well, yes, Nazi Germany was a result of a people having an insurmountable debt imposed upon them. Not an excuse for what the Nazi's did, but it's just funny that she's pretty much saying the opposite of what she wants to convey.

Nazi = default comparison methodology of most Americans.

[Shotglass]

Sry I missed your call; I was busy on 10/7 so I couldn't hang out.

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[wufwugy]

[bikes]

How I Met Your Mother - Fat cats (british accent) - YouTube

I raise a glass! To Industry!

[wufwugy]

[BooG690]

Marine Vet at #OccupyWallStreet Tells Sean Hannity to "F**k Off" - YouTube

[Fnord]

Can we please Occupy the government? That would be so much awesomer.

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They're slow and haven't connected the dots that far yet.

That said, I'm all for a bunch of angry people bringing attention to a pretty big symptom.

[BooG690]

What They did not want you to ever find out is that your generation, the generation born between 1980-1995, actually outnumbers the Baby Boomers. They knew that if you ever turned your eye towards political reform, you could change the world.

They tried to keep you sated on vapid television shows and vapid music. They cut off your education and fed you brain candy. They took away your music and gave you Top Ten pop stations. They cut off your art and replaced it with endless reality shows for you to plug into, hoping you would sit quietly by as They ran the world. I think They thought you were too dumb to notice.

Indeed, I thought They had won.

But I watched you occupy the capital of Wisconsin. I see you today as you occupy Wall Street. And I see a spark, a glimmer of the glorious new age that is yours. A changing of the guard, a guard that has stood for entirely too long and needs your young legs to take his place.

I watch you turn away from what is easy and stand up for what is right. I see you understand we as a society are only as strong as our weakest link. I see you wise beyond your years. And I am proud. Give ‘em hell, kids. You are beautiful.

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[drmcboy]

apparently written by someone who never watched TV or listened to the radio before 1985.

is there some logical reason to group 1980-1995 except that the math worked out for the writer? yes, the population is increasing. did people born in 79 or 96 get special non vapid TV?

[swiggidy]

is there some logical reason to group 1980-1995 except that the math worked out for the writer? yes, the population is increasing. did people born in 79 or 96 get special non vapid TV?

Are you feeling left out?

[bjsaust]

I don't think anyone here noticed it, but that "list of demands" was posted by "anonymous" on a forum, it wasn't an official post, just some random guy. Its now been highlighted on the page that thats the case, but I suspect the damage is done.

I like a lot of what Wuffy is saying, I just wish there was some clear direction to the protests.

[drmcboy]

Are you feeling left out?

not if that dude's the spokesperson. leaderless movement is cool but dumb crap like that will just make anyone with sense roll their eyes.

1980-1995 ignores the internet, which was always a part of ~1990+ people's lives but not much for a lot of the 1980 era folk. I can assure you the web sucked in 1997. And the idea TV is less valuable/good now is as demonstrably false as anything about art can be.

I don't think anyone here noticed it,... it wasn't an official post

since they don't have leaders/anything like it, either all posts are official or none. what was there to notice? If someone clarifies that this isn't the group's opinion, that's just his/her opinion.



I love the concept of what they are doing, it's ~same thing I have been yelling at my 'liberal' friends whenever I get drunk. But if you run around saying Beaver, The Newlywed Game or Archie Bunker taught people how to change the world people will correctly put you on /ignore.

[wufwugy]

[wufwugy]

[Jack Sawyer]

Occupy Boston: Police Vs Veterans - YouTube

[bigred]

That GOP image is epic but would be better if it said "Where are all the jobs, obama?!?!"

[wufwugy]

Speaking of TYT, go to 1:25. Couple days old, but Cenk rips into one of the media clowns against OWS

CNN Anchor Mocks Occupy Wall Street - Cenk Responds - YouTube

[BooG690]

His mock "seriously?" tilts me so hard.

[bjsaust]

First OFFICIAL Release from OCCUPY WALL STREET | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release.

Posted about two weeks ago, but for some reason has gotten significantly less media coverage than some random post by 'anonymous' that made the movement look stupid. I love the media.

[wufwugy]

His mock "seriously?" tilts me so hard.

Seriously? His pompous impression is awesome

[bjsaust]

CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

Good writeup.

[drmcboy]

good posts bj

[wufwugy]

Police-state plutocrats plot nefarious plan to deny Constitutional rights of American Heroes

[bigred]

Park is privately owned. Owners don't want protesters to set up tents and tarps. Owners were "considerate" enough to warn protesters that action will soon be taken.

Looks like the constitutional rights of private ownership and anti trespassing are being properly enforced. It also seems the protesters can stay. Just a note, there's multiple parks in NYC that either close at night or specifically ban tents and overnight stays. I feel the city (ignoring all those terrible acts) has been rather lenient on this. Can't say the same if a few homeless people had shacked up there instead of protesters.

FWIW, if this was a public park things would be completely different.

[wufwugy]

Park is privately owned. Owners don't want protesters to set up tents and tarps. Owners were "considerate" enough to warn protesters that action will soon be taken.

Looks like the constitutional rights of private ownership and anti trespassing are being properly enforced. It also seems the protesters can stay. Just a note, there's multiple parks in NYC that either close at night or specifically ban tents and overnight stays. I feel the city (ignoring all those terrible acts) has been rather lenient on this. Can't say the same if a few homeless people had shacked up there instead of protesters.

FWIW, if this was a public park things would be completely different.

Stockholm's Syndrome

Yes, it's private, yes cops are illegally arresting people for legally protesting on public property, yes the privatization of what was Constitutionally explained or implied to be public is wrong

It's like making a law that I can punch whoever I want, then when somebody tries to not be punched by me, I get to have them arrested. OWS are the least of the law breakers here. What has happened is the First Amendment being bypassed through loopholes and centralizing so much power that anybody who can stop it won't. I'm pretty sure in Saudia Arabia it's illegal to say Allah isn't God and the Royal Family isn't allowed to fuck you in the ass whenever they wish

We're poker players. We're supposed to understand leveling, planning ahead, and reading between the lines. OWS is in the right here.

[bigred]

When I say mi casa es su casa it implies you can stay or visit whenever you want but if you sit on my couch for three weeks watching reruns with no foreseeable end I'm pretty sure I'm going to kick you out and call the police if necessary because its my house and I can decide who stays there. Sorry I'm not sorry your feelings get hurt when I throw you out of my private property.

None of what I did violated constitutional rights. Sorry my intentions and hospitality implied some things that turned out to not be true. Gimme a break poker playing, multi-leveling, left wing Bill O'Reilly.

[wufwugy]

But none of that is relevant. You didn't destroy the economy, you don't have your police-thugs entrap peaceful protesters, you didn't bypass the First Amendment by making peaceful protests not possible via proxy.

You're not the government, you haven't been a privatized public utility, and you're not wiping your ass with the Constitution. NY has, and they put all the blame on the people they're trying to sweep under the rug

[wufwugy]

At what point do the plebs not get the blame? A financial system is a public utility, yet we got that privatized, the cumstains steal everybody's money with lies, then steal more money by making us pay for their lies again, then they tell us we're breaking the law when we protest their thievery. Private property my fucking ass. Private property was meant to be to be a human right, but then they privatized public utilities to such a great degree that the government itself can claim private property, then lo n behold it's a totalitarian regime

It's a corporate dictatorship, and they trick all us plebs into defending them by bastardizing and muddying what's really happening. Privatizing property essential for expressing First Amendment rights is the trick itself. Regardless, the Declaration of Independence was treason

[bigred]

I don't see how past grievances have any bearing on the constitution or rights. Regardless if you're a saint or a dbag, you get the same rights. If the park is privately owned and the owner wants it cleared then it must be cleared regardless of whether that property is owned by Mother Teresa or Lucifer. The owner "could" allow them to sleep there but has chosen otherwise. I don't care what the government or wall street has done; that has zero bearing on this isolated instance.

The protesters need to find places to sleep elsewhere. That's the fact of life.

I also want to further my emphasis on NYC and parks. Homeless people cannot setup shop in parks. It's well known that most parks have curfews and specifically ban tents and overnight residents. The fact that protesters have been allowed to sleep over, imo, is a grievance towards the constitutional rights of those who were previously arrested for doing similar things. Just because we have a bunch of spoiled hippies with twitter accounts, bongo drums, and video cameras doesn't mean they get special rights. Then, the park owner decides it's time for the tents and traps to go and suddenly there are cries for injustice? If you give a mouse a cookie...

[bigred]

Also, if you want to learn more about the parks in NYC, you should google the riots in Thompson Square Park in the early 90s. I believe that's when a park association was either created or given the power to "privatize" parks for, as they saw it, the "greater good." This was back when NYC wasn't such a nice place and most public parks were littered with tents of homeless people, drugs, and crime.

I'm not saying what the city did is correct. Just stating this is not the first time the city has encountered a protester/city park situation and they're pretty well versed.

[wufwugy]

If the park is privately owned and the owner wants it cleared then it must be cleared regardless of whether that property is owned by Mother Teresa or Lucifer.

Fantastic. So let's let them protest the real government on Wall Street. Oh wait they can't because the government now can claim private property. So let's let them protest on public property. Oh wait that's illegal too

That is how the First Amendment became nullified

I also want to further my emphasis on NYC and parks. Homeless people cannot setup shop in parks. It's well known that most parks have curfews and specifically ban tents and overnight residents.

Bad laws are bad laws.

What are people supposed to do when they're forced into homelessness via economic structure then forced to not reside anywhere legally? That's the same as has happened here. The First Amendment has been destroyed with bad law legal loopholes.

Just because we have a bunch of spoiled hippies with twitter accounts, bongo drums, and video cameras doesn't mean they get special rights.

But that's the opposite of what they are. You're too smart to fall for the propaganda that people fucked by the special can be demonized and blamed for being fucked

[Hawk]

Having the right to kick these people out doesn't make it right to do so.

[wufwugy]

We shouldn't even be talking about this. We should be talking about how Wall Street is a public/private gray area that gives them all the benefits of both and pushes the negatives onto everybody else. They're public inasmuch as they're shadow government and they control one of the most important public utilities in existence, so we should then be able to protest them, but we can't because they're also private.

THIS is what dictatorial regimes look like. They destroy the meaning of laws with technicalities. It's a legal paradox where we're not allowed to protest Wall Street because they have private rights, but they also control the government and are currently propped up zombies and if we somehow zapped off their welfare, they'd collapse then we'd have nationalized public banks which we would be able to protest, but we wouldn't have to protest them because public banks actually work and all the problems we're protesting are private banks

The problem is privatized control of the public. This is an inherent problem that "legally" violates human rights and the Constitution. Stopping the protests based on proclamations of private property is no different than blaming a starving child for stealing a loaf of bread

[bigred]

Having the right to kick these people out doesn't make it right to do so.

I never said it was right. I'm just saying it's not a clear violation of constitutional rights.

[bigred]

Also, countering a differing opinion with "you're smarter than that" is pretty condescending and bullshit. Comon Wuf, you're smarter than that.

[wufwugy]

Forgive me, I don't mean to condescend

[boost]

I never said it was right. I'm just saying it's not a clear violation of constitutional rights.

The constitution is supposed to give the people the right to protest social injustice. Yet through loopholes it is impossible to actively protest said injustices. How is this not a clear violation of constitutional rights?

Right to protest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Think back to the Civil Rights movement. Similar tactics were used to stop the freedom fighters. Require a permit to protest, then deny all applications, etc.

[kiwiMark]

I was nailing 99% jokes yesterday with a guy from Chicago, without really understanding what this whole situation is. American political humour is easy.

[Jack Sawyer]

You have the right to protest! But I have a right to declare that you need a permit to protest, and I also have the right to deny you said permit!

LOL jokers



All in all, fuck wall street.

[Jack Sawyer]

Keith Olbermann reads first collective statement of Occupy Wall Street // Current TV

[a500lbgorilla]

I heard the new occupy wallstreet slogan was Separation of Corporation and State which is another golden piece of branding.

[bigred]

I heard the new occupy wallstreet slogan was Separation of Corporation and State which is another golden piece of branding.

Haha, yeah it is.

[wufwugy]

Separation of Corp and State is pretty great branding, and what seems to be a good idea, but frankly I think it's an outdated concept. Buzzkillington awayyyyyyyy

My point is that corp and state are already separate in particular ways and in peoples minds - that's a problem because they're clearly not truly separate. Even though the Fed and Wall Street are the largest "shareholders" of power in the country, they have all the benefits of not being considered government due to this "separation". We have incredible problems with law muddying the lines between public and private. Which suggests Separation of Corp and State would fix it, which maybe it would only if the separation was more evolved than the current Separation of Church and State. Keep in mind the loopholes the First Amendment provides for religions to influence politics more than intended. It's a sort of backfire on the original intent. Not to mention that the trick is to make the banks appear separate in the first place so people think they're not the government. It's why it's called "Federal Reserve", even though it is not federal property. They purposely want to keep separate appearances intact in order to exploit the loopholes

I couldn't say exactly how to fix it by a long shot, but I know we need two things: populism and public banking. Corporations and corrupt lobbying doesn't come close to the problems of private central banking. Everything else is peanuts in comparison. It's not a coincidence that the parts of the world without private central banks have been barely touched by this crisis

Excellent piece on German banks that actually work

Why Germany Has It So Good -- and Why America Is Going Down the Drain | Economy | AlterNet

Private central banks collapsed the US economy, private central banks are obliterating 1/3rd of Europe with nefarious EU policies....

[wufwugy]

Wait I don't think that's the right article on Germany. I thought it was on Alternet, but it's actually on Truthout

[wufwugy]

Here it is

The Public Option in Banking: Another Look at the German Model | Truthout

[wufwugy]

Quick somebody make a gif of the first six seconds with thought bubble over cop saying "how dare you protest my bosses at the banks"

Occupy Wall Street: HIV-Positive Man Punched By Cop, Legal Observer Run Over By Scooter (VIDEOS)

[kiwiMark]

Maybe going to an Occupy Wall St protest in Amsterdam tomorrow. Still don't know what these protests are about (do the protestors?) but could be goodtimes.

[wufwugy]

#OCCUPYWALLSTREET WINS! Bloomberg backs down, protestors stay in park - YouTube

Also, not sure if the park if the private property thing even applies to the park, as I think it was built by the company on an agreement with the city for public domain. Or something

[wufwugy]

Maybe going to an Occupy Wall St protest in Amsterdam tomorrow. Still don't know what these protests are about (do the protestors?) but could be goodtimes.

Nope. Nobody knows. Just a glorified drum circle

[wufwugy]

[wufwugy]

[kiwiMark]

in capitalist america sigh beautifully executed. A+++

[Galapogos]

[!Luck]

[Illfavor]

Nice one !Luck. That guy is FUCKING STUPID.

[boost]

meh, cherry pickers gonna cherry pick.

Also, our for profit secondary education system in America is fucked. Sure a lot of people made mistakes in purchasing higher education that they could never afford, just the same as the people who bought houses that they could not afford. But are these people really to blame... I mean, fully and solely responsible? They enrolled in school they couldn't afford when the prevailing thinking was that if you simply go to college, you'll be just fine. And they bought homes when everyone who was anyone was confidently spewing the "real estate is a risk free investment, housing value will always go up" meme.

Do they deserve some of the blame? Sure. But is no one else at fault? Isn't the whole system to be blamed? How about the for profit schools who kept quiet as the turnstiles spun and the cash piled up? How about the administrators who decided that the vast majority of secondary education should be college prep based?