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    Not sure about your poker odds calculator, seems to me your input is correct, but the result is not. As you said yourself, we all know that a pp vs two higher cards is about 50/50. The vast majority of this 50% chance for the two high cards comes from making a pair that beats the pocket pair.

    Just checked and there is a bug in that online calculator you linked to. If you enter 50 cards, 5 drawn cards, 50 outs, and 1 out needed it gives you... zero probability! Should obviously be 100%. With the same parameters, if I vary the number of outs, it starts decreasing your probability to draw at 11 outs (less chance to draw with 11 outs than with 10!!). I wrote to the guy to tell him.

    You cannot use what you call the direct method. Here is a simple example: you bet on tails and you flip a coin twice. If tails comes at least one time, you win. What are you odds of winning? According to you, it would be 1/2 + 1/2 = 1 -> 100% chance to win. This is of course not the case because the coin could fall on heads twice. So the proper way is to calculate how often you loose: how often does the coin fall on heads twice? 1/2 * 1/2 = 0.25 -> you have 25% chance of loosing -> you have 75% chance of winning.

    Similarly, with your method, if there were 9 board cards instead of 5 in your example above, we would have 9/8 chances to win (112.5%)!?
    Last edited by daviddem; 09-07-2011 at 12:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    ...

    Just checked and there is a bug in that online calculator you linked to. If you enter 50 cards, 5 drawn cards, 50 outs, and 1 out needed it gives you... zero probability! Should obviously be 100%. With the same parameters, if I vary the number of outs, it starts decreasing your probability to draw at 11 outs (less chance to draw with 11 outs than with 10!!). I wrote to the guy to tell him.

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    Let me see, you have 50 cards in a deck, 50 outs, you are drawing 5 cards and you need only 1 out? Obviously 0% chance that will happen, since you will never draw 1 out but 5 outs. Try typing 5 in required outs and see what happens.


    Also, about bdestefanis pairing method, not sure where did 1/8 number come from? Chances to get your card paired are roughly (1:17.3) * 5, or to be exact 3/50 + 3/49 + 3/48 + 3/47 + 3/46.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekrogovner View Post
    Let me see, you have 50 cards in a deck, 50 outs, you are drawing 5 cards and you need only 1 out? Obviously 0% chance that will happen, since you will never draw 1 out but 5 outs. Try typing 5 in required outs and see what happens.


    Also, about bdestefanis pairing method, not sure where did 1/8 number come from? Chances to get your card paired are roughly (1:17.3) * 5, or to be exact 3/50 + 3/49 + 3/48 + 3/47 + 3/46.
    Yeah apparently this thing actually calculates the probability of hitting EXACTLY the number of required outs you indicate in the input. I was misinterpreting "required number of outs" as "minimum required number of outs". So if you want the probability to hit one or more of your outs, you have to run the calculator for one required out, then two required outs, then three required outs, etc and add up all the results.

    In my opinion in general we are more interested in the probability of hitting at least one out though.
    Last edited by daviddem; 09-08-2011 at 05:07 AM.
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