Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

[philly and the phanatics]

also theres the chance that you successfully look up someone who gets nommed or lynched after

so you have to hope that not only your look up works, but that you get contacted by the medium, and that your guy is still alive.

as for who to lynch...i think day ones are just gonna be day ones.

[OngBonga]

Thoughts about the medium outing early on?

I think this could be the answer to our problem. Since the angel can't protect himself, he's always vulnerable, so he should be protecting the medium. An exposed and protected medium can tell us what info he got from a dead villager.

Obviously we need more villager discussion before the medium outs himself, but I think this could be optimal play. If the angel could protect himself, it would be a different matter.

Can it benefit the wolves? It means the medium will die the day after the angel, that's the only drawback I can think of. If the medium is hidden and outlives the angel, he would still need to out himself when he has something to tell us, effectively committing suicide. If he's outed, he can tell us what he knows as we go along, or wait until the angel is dead, whichever he feels is better.

[OngBonga]

Also, let's not have a "I'm not the medium" roll call just yet, that only helps the wolves while we discuss the pros and cons of the medium outing himself early.

[TLR]

I think this could be the answer to our problem. Since the angel can't protect himself, he's always vulnerable, so he should be protecting the medium. An exposed and protected medium can tell us what info he got from a dead villager.

I am really starting to suspect Ongbonga as a wolf with those counterproductive suggestions

[OngBonga]

I am really starting to suspect Ongbonga as a wolf with those counterproductive suggestions

Please explain why you think my comments are counterproductive, so we as a village can come to the right decision regarding the medium.

[BennyLaRue]

I think this could be the answer to our problem. Since the angel can't protect himself, he's always vulnerable, so he should be protecting the medium.

I have to admit I missed that the angel can't protect himself. I want to think it through but this could have merit.

[rong]

I don't see a down side to this on first thought.

[Ragnar4]

Not really a lot to say at this point. I think that having people about to be lynched declare who they intend to look up is a good idea.

[BennyLaRue]

Not really a lot to say at this point. I think that having people about to be lynched declare who they intend to look up is a good idea.

I can't disagree more...it really benefits the wolves more than us and anyone who suggest otherwise is suspicious to me.

Say two dead people do double up and look up the same player. Isn't that a good thing or at least not a bad thing? The lookup must be of obvious interest and gives the medium 2x the odds of asking a dead person about a person of interest.

[supa]

I can't disagree more...it really benefits the wolves more than us and anyone who suggest otherwise is suspicious to me.

Say two dead people do double up and look up the same player. Isn't that a good thing or at least not a bad thing? The lookup must be of obvious interest and gives the medium 2x the odds of asking a dead person about a person of interest.

Was gonna say pretty much the same thing. Looking up the same person twice gives us a better chance of knowing that persons role either way.

[Shotglass]

Say two dead people do double up and look up the same player. Isn't that a good thing or at least not a bad thing? The lookup must be of obvious interest and gives the medium 2x the odds of asking a dead person about a person of interest.

I'd say at the least it's not really a bad thing. It would still be a roll of the dice that the medium just happens to ask the dead one that got an answer, but it's better than nothing.

Neither is Ong's idea of a protected and outed medium. It has some merit. The obvious downside to this idea is a false outing and a protected wolf.

[Shotglass]

The longer wuf remains silent, the more suspicious I get.

[TLR]

Please explain why you think my comments are counterproductive, so we as a village can come to the right decision regarding the medium.

I have already explained it in previous posts, if the medium reveals his knowledge as it gets it, or the villager announces who he is looking up, then it makes the wolves job easier, since the wolves cannot allow too many confirmed villagers to be alive, if they know who is confirmed they will just eat him, and the angel cannot protect him since he has to protect the medium. The medium needs to keep his info to himself until he feels he has enough important info and it is the correct timing to reveal it.
Having the medium outed protects him from random killing by the wolves but he is dead once the angel is discovered. Since the chances of the wolves to randomly hit the angel are similar to those of randomly hitting the medium there is not much benefit. The avdantage is that the medium is protected from viligante shots, but I think that it is not worth it to the risk of losing both specials if the angel is discovered

[bigred]

Mighty long post from tlr on day 1!

[TLR]

Mighty long post from tlr on day 1!

Relative to a cat size, yes, it is still about 15% from SKP (Standard Keith Post)

[BennyLaRue]

The avdantage is that the medium is protected from viligante shots, but I think that it is not worth it to the risk of losing both specials if the angel is discovered

Well, the other advantage is the ability to pass on information at appropriate times and for us to trust that information completely.

I hear what you're saying about the danger to the angel but my thoughts are if the medium dies and you're not protecting the medium any longer, the angel loses a lot of value anyway, barring a known vig.

[BennyLaRue]

Ignore that second line. My logic was busted.

[Shotglass]

Mighty long post from tlr on day 1!

Actual contribution from Red

Rescind Red
Lynch Wuf

thought of going with either Benny or Gator, but since neither of them have any votes yet (by my count) I'll switch to wuf

[OngBonga]

TLR... I've got to be honest, I really don't know which route the medium should take, I just wanted the village to discuss it so we get some ideas out in the open. The medium has a lot to think about, ultimately it's down to him and his judgement.

Shotglass... wuf hasn't logged in during the last ten hours at least. I've been keeping an eye out for him lurking. (he's just logged on lol)

Also, a fake outing would at least give us a wolf. In the event two "mediums" are outed, the angel would have to flip a coin and decide which one to protect. The wolves probably nom the real medium, leaving us an easy lynch next da. If they decide to leave the medium alone, well it's a matter of time before the real medium gives us a wolf to lynch to prove himself. The wolves would basically be sacrificing a wolf for the medium. I don't think that's too bad for the village when there's only 3 wolves.

[Shotglass]

Shotglass... wuf hasn't logged in during the last ten hours at least. I've been keeping an eye out for him lurking. (he's just logged on lol)

I need to figure out how to do check that...sorry wuf.

[OngBonga]

I need to figure out how to do check that...sorry wuf.

Main forum page, at the bottom. Benny used this info to great effect when he was seer, which influenced DTB and myself, probably others, to deactivate our status before the next game started (which I didn't even participate in due to ban!).

[wufwugy]

Confirmed wolves

BennyLaRue
Bigred
Bikes
Boog690
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
Fulsky
GatorJH
Gabe
Hoopy
Jackvance
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Ragnar
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Warpe
WillburForce


Confirmed villager

Wufwugy


Confirmed tranny

Rilla



Got a lot of lynching to do here folk

[OngBonga]

Is that a defence post? If you weren't my current vote, I'd switch to you.

[wufwugy]

Is that a defence post? If you weren't my current vote, I'd switch to you.

Naw it's a defenSe

[OngBonga]

Lol an American telling a Brit how to spell defence.

[wufwugy]

Lol an American telling a Brit how to spell defence.

HERE TO SAVE THE MOTHERFUCKIN DAY YEAH

REEBOK

FUCK YEAH

BED BATH AND BEYOND

FUCK YEAH

[bigred]

cmon people, boog is still suspect #1

[wufwugy]

inb5 srsbsn


bong is a villager. he always does this. im clueless for the rest of this day one crapshoot where everybody is a vet so it's even more of a crapshoot. gabe did do the exact same thing with bolding me first as he did when he was a wolf, but im not sure if i wanna care about that because he should get more credit than to be that obtuse. on the flip side, he could have just simply forgot

bikes was my first idea for a wolf since his very first post seemed a little too such n such. imo wolves and specials put a wee bit extra thought into their first post of the game

as usual, im an old softie so i dont wanna lynch anybody on the first day. i dont go after good players because thats bad strategy, i dont go after nubs because the point is enjoyment first and foremost and if a nub gets gat early it blows for them, and i dont go after early kills from previous games because it blows to always die early

so that leaves only a small handful of people, the best of which for me is rescind dtb lynch bigred. its either him or boog for me due to payback for coasting the ENTIRE game last time. but its bigred now because he'll for sure get his manties in a bundle and bold me later so its fun for everybody. normally i frown on payback, but bigred has such crazy immunity from lynches that its fine. and in every game i always say he should be lynched, so its time to pull up my britches

[bigred]

did u not read my above post about suspect #1?

less typing more reading, imo

[Hoopy]

Bandwagoning is back in fashion.

rescind bikes

lynch Bigred

[Shotglass]

Lets get some momentum going:
Back on the bigred bandwagon
Rescind Wuf
Lynch Bigred

[bigred]

sigh, gotta start thinking about who i look up now

[bikes]

with your last breath i highly suggest that you curse zoidberg

[Shotglass]

Is that a defence post? If you weren't my current vote, I'd switch to you.

Before the pm's went out wuf stated that his defense posts would be in lolcat format....it's not always lolcat but when I do

[OngBonga]

wft? wuf turns up, posts some half-arsed defence, bolds bigred, and suddenly there's an avalanche of votes for him. Is bigred ever a wolf in this spot? Why aren't we lynching wuf? He provides us with easily the most info. Please tell me he's getting lynched tomorrow if bigred turns up a villager.

[bigred]

I don't think wuf is a wolf...just stupid

[Shotglass]

wft? wuf turns up, posts some half-arsed defence, bolds bigred, and suddenly there's an avalanche of votes for him. Is bigred ever a wolf in this spot? Why aren't we lynching wuf? He provides us with easily the most info. Please tell me he's getting lynched tomorrow if bigred turns up a villager.

He's got my vote if red's a villager, followed by benny and Gator.
If ya remember I voted for Red to begin with. (just something about that avatar tilts me)

[bigred]

Inb4 lynch for bikes

[BennyLaRue]

He's got my vote if red's a villager, followed by benny and Gator.
If ya remember I voted for Red to begin with. (just something about that avatar tilts me)

Some guy was like, "Vote Shotglass" and I was like, "You don't gots to worry about no Shotglass" and then this?

No respect.

[GatorJH]

I have already explained it in previous posts, if the medium reveals his knowledge as it gets it, or the villager announces who he is looking up, then it makes the wolves job easier, since the wolves cannot allow too many confirmed villagers to be alive, if they know who is confirmed they will just eat him, and the angel cannot protect him since he has to protect the medium. The medium needs to keep his info to himself until he feels he has enough important info and it is the correct timing to reveal it.
Having the medium outed protects him from random killing by the wolves but he is dead once the angel is discovered. Since the chances of the wolves to randomly hit the angel are similar to those of randomly hitting the medium there is not much benefit. The avdantage is that the medium is protected from viligante shots, but I think that it is not worth it to the risk of losing both specials if the angel is discovered

I approve of this post.

I can't think hard enough to figure out the various scenarios and ramifications of villagers declaring lookups, but I do believe that the medium outing themself is a bad idea.

As for today I am sticking with my Bikes vote. I am intrigued about Bigred's style of play this game as he is posting more content than normal and if he were a wolf I would expect him to not change his style of play. Although he could be doing that as a wolf because his normal style of play always seems to put him on the hot seat.

[GatorJH]

btw, both Dan and Fulksy are hanging back a little too much for my taste. Start posting boyz.

[BennyLaRue]

I think we timed out and bigred died.

[OngBonga]

I can't be bothered to count votes, but it looks like those late votes saved wuf and nailed bigred. If bigred is a villager, then scrutiny should be directed at wuf, shotglass and hoopy. If we luckboxed a wolf, well it pretty much clears these three.

[GatorJH]

I think you guys are looking at the wrong post (clock started from his Day 1 post, not original post). Unless I am looking at it wrong we have until tomorrow morning.

[BennyLaRue]

Oh, right. This is the Day 1 post. bigred lives!

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053077

[OngBonga]

4 votes for Boog (bigred, benny, wufwugy, hoopy)
1 votes for Ragnar (TLR)
1 votes for DropTheBanana (bikes)
1 votes for DanAronG (gabe)
1 votes for philly and the phanatics (supa)
1 votes for Warpe (OngBonga)
1 votes for Hoopy (DropTheBanana)

Which says 11 people haven't voted.

I was counting votes, and this didn't seem to add up with my count... are you disregarding votes made during the first night?

[OngBonga]

And at that, may I request an official vote count from Sir Moderator?

[bigred]

I'm sorry but hoppy is acting super shady. Gonna switch my vote to him.

rescind boog, lynch hoopy

I think anyone voting for wuf should follow my lead for obvious reasons.

[bikes]

agree with bigred, either hoopy is rly bad at being a villager or a wolf. either way neck tie partyyyyyyy

lynch hoopy

[gabe]

bigred back from the dead!!!! im changing my vote because it all seems so suspicious. did the wolves think that was the deadline, so they got a quick counter bandwagon going right on time?

lynch hoopy

[Shotglass]

I can't be bothered to count votes, but it looks like those late votes saved wuf and nailed bigred. If bigred is a villager, then scrutiny should be directed at wuf, shotglass and hoopy. If we luckboxed a wolf, well it pretty much clears these three.

Ha!

I was posting about a BigRed lynch since the my first or second posts.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053235

You made a good point about wuf, benny and Gator with which I completely agree
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053347

Hmm, funny once I switched my vote back to BigRed and said that if he's a villager then I'll vote wuf, benny and gator you suddenly throw me in the mix with hoopy and wuf?

[GatorJH]

Hoopy seems to be too "all over the place" for me to put him in the wolf camp.

[a500lbgorilla]

Time runs out at 6 am EST tomorrow. My schedule won't really give me a chance to do any sweet update, but ill put up the down and dirty then.

[bigred]

Ha!

I was posting about a BigRed lynch since the my first or second posts.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053235

You made a good point about wuf, benny and Gator with which I completely agree
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2053347

Hmm, funny once I switched my vote back to BigRed and said that if he's a villager then I'll vote wuf, benny and gator you suddenly throw me in the mix with hoopy and wuf?

You seem to be trying a little too hard for day 1. We'll see what that means in the following days.

[rong]

Yeeessss!!!!! Let the bigred wagon roll, burn the body too! A bigred day 1 lynch is strangely satisfying.

rescind hoopy, lynch bigred

(will read rest of thread now)

[rong]

Sigh.

I thought it was too good to be true.

Gator, I don't really think hoopy is particlularly wolfy or particularly anything, but it's day one, nobody is particularly wolfy yet and a lot of the points about hoopy that have been made I believe are true (ie the disappearing and being a bit crap later on).

Also, FYI, my lack of posts is down to my phone being dead, but its back now, god bless its sweet, sweet curves (insert gif of man stroking HTC desire in ambiguous yet possibly sexual way), so I can read and post during the day now, and I asure you, I intend to do very, very little work today now that my phone is back!

But anywho, back to lynching 'n all, I tell you what was a tad weird, down right bizarre you might say, smelling so wolfy it made the hairs on the back of neck stand on end......



..... you defending Bigred rather than jumping on his bandwagon!

Why would you do that Gator? Huh? Why Gator? Why?

[supa]

Would be fun to see a day 1 gator wagon get going.

[fulksy]

sticking with BR honestly every game i have played i have never seen him get lynched, after countless BW's and also he seems way different this game (every other game he has been a villager), its as good as anything for me on day1.

I have already explained it in previous posts, if the medium reveals his knowledge as it gets it, or the villager announces who he is looking up, then it makes the wolves job easier, since the wolves cannot allow too many confirmed villagers to be alive, if they know who is confirmed they will just eat him, and the angel cannot protect him since he has to protect the medium. The medium needs to keep his info to himself until he feels he has enough important info and it is the correct timing to reveal it.
Having the medium outed protects him from random killing by the wolves but he is dead once the angel is discovered. Since the chances of the wolves to randomly hit the angel are similar to those of randomly hitting the medium there is not much benefit. The avdantage is that the medium is protected from viligante shots, but I think that it is not worth it to the risk of losing both specials if the angel is discovered

i agree that the medium should keep his lookups to himself and villagers shouldn't tell who there going to look up, but i think the medium outing himself is good. yes the wolves randomly hitting the medium is the same as them randomly hitting the angel but at least if the angel gets hit the medium has a chance to share the info he has, where as if the medium gets randomly eatin we get nothing. the angel is pretty useless right now since he can't protect himself and the added benefit of being protected from vig shots makes me think it might be a good idea for the medium to out himself. anyways maybe i'm missing something.

[fulksy]

also lots of people defending BR and his BW seems to be wavering, so we do get some info from a BR lynch.

[rong]

Re medium outing and angel protection concept. I'm down with it. If the angel could self protect I'd be against it, but without that I say make him useful from day 1, protect the medium and give us the guarantee of any info the medium has at the last minute.

[WillburForce]

I don't think the medium should reveal and I don't think the buddy system will work. Just seems to be too many variables that would help the the wolves.

Wuf showing up, laying few funny pics as a defenc(s)e, then 3 players immediatly bolding his lynch choice??? Levels on levels or just dumb?

I think the best lynching info we get on day 1 is from Wuf, Bikes or BR. These defo have the most info we can hope to get. Any other lynch is just gonna be random.

I'm sticking qwith my Bikes lynch but can switch to either Wuf or BR as needed.

[jackvance]

What is exactly the added benefit of the medium? Someone that dies and turns out to be a villager won't know anything more than anyone else so what's the question gonna do.. and if a wolf dies it's not like he's gonna answer.

[TLR]

What is exactly the added benefit of the medium? Someone that dies and turns out to be a villager won't know anything more than anyone else so what's the question gonna do.. and if a wolf dies it's not like he's gonna answer.

reread day 1 rules, any person who dies gets 1 lookup

[OngBonga]

Villagers get to scan someone when they die, the medium can communicate with the dead. Welcome to the game, JV.

I really don't like the way wagons are running. There's a lot of people acting strangely. It's 10.30am here, I'm gonna make a cup of tea and try to take in the events of the last few hours before the thread gets locked.

Anyone know who's leading the votes?

[OngBonga]

Well so far I'm convinced that TLR, wilbur, shotglass and fulksy are all villagers.

Gator is too hard to read, especially this early. Benny is a little suspect, but not top of my list. JV is too quiet, but it's day one and he usually comes into the action later. Dan I'm not sure, same with supa and ragnar. Hoopy seems like a villager to me, same with DTB.

Wuf, gabe, bikes, boog... these are all people I would be happy to see lynched. My preference remains wuf because I think it gives us the most info to work from.

BR is shooting up my suspect list, he seems too interested and is making some strange posts, even by his standards.

Anyone unmentioned is suspect through not being involved enough.

Warpe is a problem that needs to be addressed tomorrow. I hope he turns up.

[a500lbgorilla]

OK... so you guys put a lot of voting out there and the chance that I counted them up without error is nonzero.

To OB, yeah night 0 was a nothing night. No votes from then counted.

The count I have now is

5 for bigred (fulsky, wuf, hoopy, shotglass, dana)
4 for hoopy (DTB, gabe, Benny, br)

Can anyone verify the count for me in the next ~45 mins. I'll step back in and update the game based on this count otherwise.

Thread is unlocked only for people to post if they think the count is right or wrong.

[a500lbgorilla]

I removed a message posted as the day is over. The thread is only unlocked to get confirmation on the count.

[OngBonga]

I count 6 for hoopy, 5 for bigred. Hold fire. I'm gonna go through again, this time noting the post numbers of each vote for these two.

[OngBonga]

#71 - DTB votes hoopy
#94 - Shotglass votes bigred
(#98 - gator rescinds invalid vote for bigred)
#112 - dan votes hoopy
#113 - fulksy votes bigred
#114 - gabe votes hoopy
#120 - benny votes hoopy
#168 - shotglass rescinds bigred
#178 - wuf votes bigred
#180 - hoopy votes bigred
#181 - shotglass votes bigred
#198 - bigred votes hoopy
#199 - bikes votes hoopy
#200 - gabe votes hoopy again, he did not make a post between posts #114 and #200
#205 - dan rescinds hoopy, votes bigred

Ok, I now think it's 5-5, so a coin flip. I counted gabe's vote twice, since he voted twice. You might want to double check each of these posts, and I can't promise I didn't miss someone rescinding if it wasn't bolded.

[a500lbgorilla]

The village of Netherlife:

BennyLaRue
Bikes
Boog690
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
Fulsky
GatorJH
Gabe
Hoopy
Jackvance
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Ragnar
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Wufwugy
Warpe

3 Werewolves
1 Angel
1 Medium
1 Vigilante
14 Villagers
1 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1

[a500lbgorilla]

The village of Netherlife:

BennyLaRue
Bikes
Boog690
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
Fulsky
GatorJH
Gabe
Hoopy
Jackvance
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Ragnar
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Wufwugy
Warpe

3 Werewolves
1 Angel
1 Medium
1 Vigilante
13 Villagers
2 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1
Willburforce, a villager, eaten on night 1

[OngBonga]

Well, that was a result with bigred. Makes perfect sense too... he was acting wolfy, but the wolves didn't know he was the turncoat. What's very good for the village, though, is that bigred knows who the wolves are... and he was very much against a wuf lynch.

Wuf is so obviously a wolf now.

Something that has been bugging me throughout the night... why didn't bigred fake out himself?
My best guess is because he knew a wolf would get lynched if he did. His vote for hoopy was extremely reluctant, and sort of forced... bigred was in zugzwang.

Basically, I think we got two wolves in wuf and hoopy. Bikes is top of my list for the 3rd.

Boog is likely a villager, since bigred seemed desperate to wagon him instead of wuf and hoopy.



Warpe showed his face, it was him who had comments deleted (I saw them, it was just a FUCK i hate playing catch up, or similar).

[rong]

Awesome stuff village.

Bigred always tries to lynch boog. I don't think brs bolding him should give him any form of immunity.

[OngBonga]

cmon people, boog is still suspect #1

"Please village, don't hang wuf, hoopy or me"

I don't think wuf is a wolf...just stupid

"wuf, don't fucking lynch me, I'm the turncoat, stop being a dick"

did u not read my above post about suspect #1?

less typing more reading, imo

"wuf, I'm trying to tell you something... read between the lines"

sigh, gotta start thinking about who i look up now

"Fuck's sake, if I fake out then a wolf gets hanged. What would a villager do in this spot?"



lynch wuf

[OngBonga]

Awesome stuff village.

Bigred always tries to lynch boog. I don't think brs bolding him should give him any form of immunity.

Yeah boog isn't confirmed by any means, but I think he should be safe for the time being.