DOJ Werewolf

[StillDeadMoney]

DTB started the game off by insulting me with a video... same sort of thing he did in the game where I was the vig.

lawyer dropthebanana

[StillDeadMoney]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2032873

I also bolded him back on day 1 when I was just lolcatting.

[DropTheBanana]

DTB started the game off by insulting me with a video... same sort of thing he did in the game where I was the vig.

lawyer dropthebanana

Now, here's an actual argument I can refute.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2001344

This is the video in question and was on Day 3 (of the game you were the vig) and I did not start out the game with it.



http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2011859

I also posted a video starting out during Ship at Sea and I was a regular villager that game as well.


The arguments against me are ridiculous.

[BooG690]

The arguments against me are ridiculous.

And your defense is non-existent.

[DropTheBanana]

How am I supposed to defend myself against "I saw him viewing the thread" and"he posted a video" accusations?

If you guys waiting for a long drawn out defense post, it's not coming. If y'all want to lynch me on a hunch, then go right ahead. It would be less annoying than getting eaten on day 5 like last game. Just think about it next time y'all blindly follow Benny into a lynch again.

[TLR]

I think DTB is a valid option, but I much rather go with SDM today, I have a hard time believing he is a villager
lawyer SDM

[rong]

hmmmm, I'm not entirely convinced by your theory Benny, for the simple fact that I saw your post within 10 minutes of you posting it, and then came online about 10 times over the next hour (on my phone though so not sure if it shows up) to see if Wuf had anything to say before posting myself, which he evidently didn't. I was also on the Boog lynch, so that same argument could be used against me and would be completely wrong. Plus it removes all discussion and therefore information from the day, and has taken off pretty dam quickly too.

That said I don't hate a DTB lnch, just think it's not the best reasoning I've ever seen and has taken off pretty rapidly.

[WillburForce]

I think we just have to go with Benny for now. I'll hold off bolding for now though.

[BennyLaRue]

(on my phone though so not sure if it shows up)

It did. I know all who were around and when they got the news. But I've got other stuff on DTB and I've been pretty convinced since Day 1 that you're a villager.

We can just ignore SDM outright for now.

Feel free to list alternatives. We have tons of information after the wuf lynch, I just feel most strongly about DTB.

[Hoopy]

I don't know if lynching DTB is a great idea, though that timing tell might be important.

LOL at Labour taking the number one spot then magically a bunch of wolves quickly fabricate a boog wagon

This seems like a weird thing for a wolf to say if any wolves are on the Boog BW, he could have been leveling but that just seems unnecessary since it draws attention anyway. Ong/Roid are dead villagers and I'm fairly sure Dan is one as well. More likely that it's 4 villagers on that BW.

Also rescined fulksy. Zero percent chance he's a wolf IMO. I would fully expect him to have posted at least once more if he was

fulksy is probably my preferred lynch today.

Also both rilla and Gator are still alive. hmmmmmmm

lynch fulksy

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't mind a DTB lynch but I'm not going to toss my vote in that ring for a little while at least. We don't want to rush to night before we have to.

I'd like to lynch flomo. I can't recall the werewolf game specifically, but didn't he just sort of post nothing but once in a while stepping in saying nonsense and lynching someone?

I don't think the vig made a mistake, SDM is probably a villager just trying to muck up the waters as much as possible.

Actually, on a quick breeze through I like the DTB lynch more than flomo.

[WillburForce]

I'm happy to lawyer DTB. Get the game rolling. Agree with just ignoring SDM for now.

Lawyer DTB

[StillDeadMoney]

All right then. I'm going to stick to voting with Benny if people stop giving a shit what I say or do.

[BennyLaRue]

All right then. I'm going to stick to voting with Benny if people stop giving a shit what I say or do.

Where was this attitude before the Election?

[StillDeadMoney]

Where was this attitude before the Election?

Hey if you can scan politicians IRL I would vote with you at the ballot box too.

[Carroters]

Okay Ive had a look through the thread. Firstly, glad we stopped wuf from slipping through the net and have a pretty solid looking seer guiding us.

I'm also still in the camp that sdm is more likely a villager than not, but I'd suggest in future that the vig does blow his head off next time if unsure as to a better shot. Thing is there's still a reasonable chance sdm is a wolf, probably more than most other hunches/shots in the dark right now, so we don't want to risk losing valuable villagers when we have a useless one who could well be a wolf sitting there asking for a bullet. If he has better options then obv go for it, but just thought I'd throw that out there. Don't wanna see a crazy vig shooting all our best villagers.

DTB: I think he's a decent target for today. One problem I do have with Benny's theory though is whether a wolf would really wait that late if he'd been watching the thread all day. Think it was blatant to everyone that Wuf wasn't going to be defended, so why incriminate yourself by waiting to nail the coffin as a wolf? Not going to bold yet because I want to voice my views at this point, see what others think and let day 3 go on a bit longer. I'm happy to go with DTB eventually if nothing else promising gets going.

Villagers

Dan - Just seems extremely villagery

Benny - Seer ldo

Philly - Nothing like wolf philly who I think would be way more involved

BooG - Less sure on this but battles with roid seem pretty genuine. No wolf vibe yet. Usually I hound him to the ends of the earth so...

Potential Wolves

DTB - Not as sure as others are, but he is definitely incriminating and his defense posts so far really bug me.

Hoopy - My most likely wolf right now for a few reasons. He accused me on day 2 right after the wuf wagon started to get derailed, good chance for him to find an excuse to shift focus from a wolf to a villager. Also his post above wanting to lynch fulsky seems very wolfy/fabricated. It's very likely that wuf would 100% clear a villager at that point and probably less likely he do this with a wolf barring a level. Think Hoopy is highly suspect right now.

TLR - Suggested we allow the village and hence the wolves to control the seer on day 1; this gives me the creeps. I've been getting more and more uneasy with him as the game's progressed. Although I do generally feel that way about him so not as sure on this one yet.

Gator/Rilla - They're both still alive, they're both good vets. Gator seems far less helpful than Rilla so far though, I think it's pretty likely one of them is a wolf, and I'd lean towards Gator at this point since Rilla at least gives me some sort of villagery vibe.

Unsure about everyone I haven't mentioned here.

Lynch Hoopy - He's a wolf imo.

[DropTheBanana]

Lawyer SDM

How we think he fake outed as a regular villager is beyond me and his reasoning for doing so is illogical.

If I'm the one to go today then GG to all but seriously guys, think for yourselves next go around. Even though he's gunning for me, I think overall the village we'll benefit greatly from Benny being the seer, he's a smart cookie. But as you'll see he is not correct 100% of the time.

Don't back yourselves into a corner like last game because you just want to follow the special and can't conjure up a coherent thought of your own. That's exactly what the wolves need to blend in and be successful.

[BennyLaRue]

Don't wanna see a crazy vig shooting all our best villagers.

Hey, why the dig at bigred?

[Hoopy]

Hoopy - My most likely wolf right now for a few reasons. He accused me on day 2 right after the wuf wagon started to get derailed, good chance for him to find an excuse to shift focus from a wolf to a villager. Also his post above wanting to lynch fulsky seems very wolfy/fabricated. It's very likely that wuf would 100% clear a villager at that point and probably less likely he do this with a wolf barring a level. Think Hoopy is highly suspect right now.

Actually I never accused you, wolf paranoia ITT.

And as for fulksy he's been inactive (out of town excuse), snap lawyered wuf when he was outed by Benny and looks pretty damn Wolfy to me.

[Carroters]

Actually I never accused you, wolf paranoia ITT.

And as for fulksy he's been inactive (out of town excuse), snap lawyered wuf when he was outed by Benny and looks pretty damn Wolfy to me.

Shit, I could have sworn that was you, but it was fulsky. Fail on my part.

I guess I can demote you to the unsure camp now then Hoopy.

As for fulsky, I'm far from convinced Wuf is going to claim he's 100% a villager on day one if he's a wolf. Just seems really farfetched. I do hate the way Fulsky he snap lynched me for no real reason as soon as Wuf's defense post came out.Unsure about him also.

I'll need to go back throuigh this thread and look for more clues.

Rescind Hoopy.

[bigred]

Total Player Votes:


DTB 5
Fulksy 1
SDM 2

[fulksy]

@carroters I didn't have any real suspects when I voted for you and I'll admit it wasn't based on a lot other then what ong and wuf said and where you jumped on wufs BW (at the time I had wuf as a villager) but after finding out he's a wolf I'm pretty confident your a villager.

[StillDeadMoney]

Carroters is looking pretty wolfy.

He is telling the vig to shoot villages whose role is unknown. We all know what happens when a vigilante does that: he can end up shooting the seer or the angel. In this case, he could shoot the angel, and the angel won't be protecting himself since he has to protect the seer.

The "SDM is worthless" argument just does not fly. You don't win games by killing off villagers, you win the game by killing wolves.

Moreover, "best villagers" is a contradiction in terms. The best players may help the village's side a lot when they are a villager, but the also help the wolves' side a lot as wolves. Unlike the seer, vigilante, or angel, there is little a villager can do to overwhelmingly evidence his status as a villager, because any action a player takes when he has no power can be justified as some level (e.g. I will always vote for the other wolves so I can insulate myself and win at the endgame). "Keep our best villagers", we all saw how that turned out last game. I was among the overwhelming majority that picked Gator as the last remaining wolf.

[philly and the phanatics]

I'm sorry that I was not clear. My logic™ was that:

I claim I'm the seer.
The angel, dubious of this claim, does not protect me.
The wolves, knowing that the village would be skeptical, eat me. Either they eat the real seer or they eat something else - at worst it's a confirmed kill because it didn't receive angel protection.

Besides, if I were the seer, I would have scanned rilla by now and told you he's a wolf.

Another telling question this: as a villager, why would I retract the seer claim? Clearly, I would live longer if I claimed I was the seer. The village wouldn't lynch me, and the wolves wouldn't go for me because I would be protected by the angel. My alleged charade would only end once the real seer comes out because they've found a wolf (if the angel is still alive at that point).

is it just me or are there some discrepancies in there?
lynch sdm

[BennyLaRue]

Meh, you all look wolfy.

[philly and the phanatics]

ps i didnt use that gay purple, that was already in SDM's post the part im trying to draw attention to is the sentence after that

[philly and the phanatics]

theres supposed to be some punctuation between sdm's post and the

[DropTheBanana]

Carroters is looking pretty wolfy.

He is telling the vig to shoot villages whose role is unknown. .

Benny said the exact same thing yesterday after outing himself. Why didn't you jump his shit?

And more so why the fuck are we supposed to believe you're a villager? Why would a villager randomly fake a special and then come up with an ill composed argument as to why they did it?

[DropTheBanana]

I should have proof read that, with the swears it comes across a lot harsher than I meant it.

I was just saying that your actions/reasoning don't make a whole lot of sense and when things don't make sense in this game there is usually a good reason as to why.

[philly and the phanatics]

one that he completely renegs later on

[philly and the phanatics]

damn it didnt see dtb posted again fack

[Carroters]

@SDM: Did I not just advise the vig to do exactly the opposite of shoot random villagers? I advised him to blow your brains out unless confident in someone else being a wolf and not shoot in the dark since it's much better to lose a shitty pain in the head like you who causes the village nothing but problems (villager or wolf) and is no help whatsoever than to shoot in the dark and likely kill a more useful villager. Due to the porportions of wolves to villagers, it's pretty clear if the vig is unsure and shoots as a guess or hunch he will likely hit a villager. Therefore, he's better off killing you without better reads since you have as good a chance of being a wolf as that shot in the dark if not a greater one and are more of a liability and nuisance than a help for the village.

"Good villagers" is not a contradiction in terms especially when a random bullet is more likely to hit a villager than a wolf. Since the player is more likely to be a vilager more often than a wolf, we'relikely losing a good villager if that good player is shot. Therefore, save bullets on decent players for reads that they actually are likely wolves and shoot the tard in the head that is determined to cause us nothing but grief.

As time goes by I'm becoming less and less confident that SDM is a villager. If Benny's opinion is that he's best left alone for now though, then I'm fine with targeting others and getting some more information.

On that latter note, Flomo has done absolutely nothing to help. He should start talking since there's absolutely no reason to think he isn't a wolf right now.

Lynch Flomo

[BennyLaRue]

Gator, why so quiet?

[bigred]

Hey, why the dig at bigred?

[GatorJH]

Gator, why so quiet?

just busy, but I have been reading through things and promise to take a detailed look through tonight.

Initial thoughts are that I agree completely with Carroters on DTB and he is my top suspect followed pretty closely by Willbur and TLR.

I still just don't see SDM ever being a wolf as I can't put together a wolf strategy for coming out as a "fake seer'.

[DropTheBanana]

I still just don't see SDM ever being a wolf as I can't put together a wolf strategy for coming out as a "fake seer'.

Because he was 8 for 10 and on his way out.

Am I wrong in thinking that a wolf would fake a special in that spot in order to survive another night and to possibly get the real seer to out themselves that early?

Maybe it's my logic that's flawed though. :/

Then he comes in with reasons that noone seems to understand and it takes him three tries to get his quasi logic across. I don't see why a regular villager would do any of that.

That's just where I'm at with the SDM situation.

I'm very curious as to why you think his intentions are honest here.

[philly and the phanatics]

yea right when me and you were wolves with roid all we could talk about is not being able to wait to fake out ourselves, easily possible.

If you are talking about then renouncing his seerness and being such a retard, well he doesn't even know why he did that, regardless of role. Seriously look at the contrast in the things he says in the quotes i provided.

[rong]

If SDM is a wolf, it went like this: (and I said if!!!!)

Day one: Shit, I'm getting lynched, fake seer!!!!!

Day two: Fuck, this whole seer thing isn't going to last long, it means my days are numbered. I know, I'll say I'm not the seer, I'm SDM, it won't even be incredible as I've done it before.

Day three: Holy fuck, I might have actually got away with it, and some people actually think I'm almost definitely a villager, I am the greatest werewolf player and general strategist alive, soon they will all bow down to my greatness!

[GatorJH]

yes, it is related to the renouncing. I just can't figure out why a wolf would renounce when there is so much more strategy available if the village even thinks he may be the seer.

The ONLY thing that makes sense to me were if the wolves had a strong feeling Wuf got looked up on night 1 then it makes sense for SDM to say he really isn't the seer before the seer outs himself. THAT I could see happening so I guess SDM could still be a wolf and if he does turn out to be a wolf then there HAS to be a pretty solid player among that group to figure all of that out (and no it isn't me).

[GatorJH]

why would wuf say this if SDM were actually a wolf? I know it was his first time, but this would be a pretty bold move for day 1 when the best option for the wolves is to stay away from each other.

I disagree that SDM can't be a wolf because of how he's posting. Anybody else and I would agree, but SDM is a special case and IMO would also be a special wolf. I would expect the wolves to use him in such a way that he gets a train ran on him, however I do not think they would do it on day one since nobody would remember that shit

[StillDeadMoney]

Seriously look at the contrast in the things he says in the quotes i provided.

People seemed to have taken one of the quotes out of context, which is why they look contradictory.

[philly and the phanatics]

yea when i was looking back i saw that and it threw me off, but i think wuf is a ballsy motherfucker, i am sure 4 games into his WW career he had a pretty epic plan for when he was a wolf.

Wuf is smart enough to defend a wolf buddy because "lol nobody ever does that." Boog said that about JKDS (jkds actually ended up being the seer lol) a couple of games ago and its a good thing to think about.

[philly and the phanatics]

People seemed to have taken one of the quotes out of context, which is why they look contradictory.

they arent taken out of contrast, both are you explaining why you came clean after outting yourself as the seer.

[a500lbgorilla]

why would wuf say this if SDM were actually a wolf? I know it was his first time, but this would be a pretty bold move for day 1 when the best option for the wolves is to stay away from each other.

super solid point. And I really think it paints people that were going after SDM today in a poor light. Though, I can't really blame them for not reading it, because I still haven't read wuf's defense wall post. *shrug*

I'm probably going to lynch one of DTB, TLR (or flomo for still being flomo)

I'm gonna spread the village out a bit and lawyer TLR

[StillDeadMoney]

yes, it is related to the renouncing.

Exactly. If I did not renounce being the seer before Benny came out, I would have been hanged for sure because I would have looked like a wolf with my pants down. Claiming that I was not the seer was a -EV move in terms of life expectancy... why would I do that unless I was a villager? The only justification would be one based on leveling.

I think we can all agree that if I'm not a wolf, I won't get eaten because the wolves will want to keep me around as long as possible. My fake seer outing convinced them that I'm a regular villager and discounted the possibility that I could be the vig pretending to be the seer (if I claimed I was the vig on day 1, I'm 100% sure the village would have said LOL GOOD WE GOT YOU NOW DIE DIE DIE!), or the angel pretending to be the seer. Claiming to be the angel when about to be hung would be a bad move if it was avoidable, as it was in my situation, since the seer would be afraid to come out because then the wolves would be able to easily clean up. I'm not the angel nor the vig, I'm just explaining what the wolves are thinking right now. The angel needs to keep protecting Benny.

[StillDeadMoney]

they arent taken out of contrast, both are you explaining why you came clean after outting yourself as the seer.

Explain to me what you think the quotes mean.

[GatorJH]

after reading through the thread TLR, Boog, and Fulksy top my list.

I really feel like carrots, SDM and Dan are all villagers and not sure about the rest.

For today I think I like a lawyer TLR best.

Btw, I am also pretty suspicious of people who continue to throw out the "I could get behind a xxx bandwagon" at this point in the game. It takes 9 votes to lawyer someone so bandwagons can tell us a lot more than people sitting back and waiting.

[a500lbgorilla]

If SDM is a wolf, it went like this: (and I said if!!!!)

Day one: Shit, I'm getting lynched, fake seer!!!!!

Day two: Fuck, this whole seer thing isn't going to last long, it means my days are numbered. I know, I'll say I'm not the seer, I'm SDM, it won't even be incredible as I've done it before.

Day three: Holy fuck, I might have actually got away with it, and some people actually think I'm almost definitely a villager, I am the greatest werewolf player and general strategist alive, soon they will all bow down to my greatness!

I doubt SDM would panic. He's outted himself, and fake outted himself before. It's a play that is right up his alley and one he would definitely make as a villager. Remember he fake outed as angel once and that worked out swimmingly.

You can't blame him for how he stands now. The first job of a good villager is just don't get lynched. You only really know one thing in this game, so you shouldn't fuck up transmitting that one bit of info.

[Hoopy]

That's a good point Gator.

I'm really torn on who to lynch, game seems very open now.

DTB posted last to lynch wuf + Benny's timing tell but I just don't think he's a wolf though his BW has kinda grinded to a halt.

It might be best to lynch/shoot SDM soon as we are already fairly confused about his role

Flomo would be a good lynch today as he's played this way before as a wolf and is useless if he's a villager.

[StillDeadMoney]

It might be best to lynch/shoot SDM soon as we are already fairly confused about his role.

[BennyLaRue]

I'm not convinced SDM is a wolf and I'm not convinced he's a villager. I advocated shooting him in the face simply to be rid of the distraction and confusion. I won't put his name down right now, I'd rather go after someone we have more wolf evidence for than someone who could be anything, including the vig.

I don't think SDM is a bad player, but he's an obstacle to this particular game simply due to how the events played out.

[a500lbgorilla]

If the lolcats are coming back, I favor the SDM wagon immensely.

[StillDeadMoney]

If the lolcats are coming back, I favor the SDM wagon immensely.

All right, I'll take the hint this time

[philly and the phanatics]

i am on board with lynching TLR....if he ends up being a wolf then it means that Ongbonga was onto something and i was right in bringing that up (fuck you dan ).

[philly and the phanatics]

also if TLR is a villager, then it makes SDM/Gator/Rilla all look a lot worse.

[StillDeadMoney]

Gator plays the "keep the shitty villagers in the game" strategy as a wolf but that would only make it more likely that I'm a villager with every day that passed if you want to go along with the Gator = wolf assumption. Gator should be scanned because he's just too dangerous as a wolf.

Look at the kills so far: Ongbonga on night 1, probably targetted because he was posting a lot and people thought he had a special role. JV on night 2, and he is the greatest villager in the history of WW. I don't think Gator is a wolf at this point but the kill pattern seems to match that of one he would select as a wolf, and he would probably have a lot of influence in a wolf's den given his skill level at playing this game.

[BennyLaRue]

As far as those down for a flomo lynch, say he is a wolf...it tells us nothing, just as it tells us nothing if he's a villager. He's disconnected from the bits of information we need to piece together to solve the game. He's the kind of guy you just shoot without the discussion necessary to get rid of him because the discussion is virtually worthless.

[philly and the phanatics]

where do people say they thought Ongbonga was a special? im not saying it didnt happen but can you show me a quote or something cause i dont remember reading that.

[StillDeadMoney]

where do people say they thought Ongbonga was a special? im not saying it didnt happen but can you show me a quote or something cause i dont remember reading that.

This is speculation on my part. He posted a lot on Day 1 - as a fairly new player (I think this is only his second game), maybe the wolves thought he was a special and was excited because he got a role.

[bigred]

Total Player Votes:

DTB 4
Fulksy 1
SDM 3
Flomo 1
TLR 2

8 votes required for lawyering

[fulksy]

benny is the only one were sure is a villager he had some sort of read on DTB, the wagon got going and came to screeching halt quick, I'm sticking with my vote.

[philly and the phanatics]

because his reasoning was that he had the page open a lot before voting for wuf...seems pretty thin, whereas SDM is all over the place, cannot get his story straight, and then says things like they are fact when i guess they are "purely speculation."

DTB could very well still be a wolf i have him in my unsure pile right now....i would much rather see SDM gone.

And if anything this is very unfulksy like, the fulksy of the last 2 games has been inquiring and formed original thoughts, not just clinged to an outted special. I think there is 1 or 2 posts i saw that turned me off from you being a wolf in my read through, but seriously dude you actually helped the village the other 2 games by throwing out ideas and whatnot, yet this game has been a far cry.

[fulksy]

@ PHILLY yea I've been pretty bad, but i missed the 1st and some of second day, honestly out of town, so i haven't come up with much, i have some notes but other then SDM the game hasn't provided as much info as previous games IMO (or I'm not good enough to see through some of the posts), and as of now any of my accusations won't be based on much. i agree that SDM is all over the place, but i'm not really convinced he's a wolf (although lawyering him might rid a distraction). my DTB vote started with benny, but with his BW ending pretty quick i have to say I'm even more suspicious.

but i'll give my thoughts as off as they might be. most of my woldf list is based on who i think are villagers, carroters/500lb/roid (before shot, still don't understand that vig) for them quickly jumping on a WUF BW(before outed). which i don't think wolves would do so early when it seems relatively easy for wolves to derail a BW in early game. then there's SDM who i'm not sure about but to me seems like a villager. Flomo hasn't posted enough for me to have an opinion one way or the other. Dan seems like a villager to me no great reason why. Philly, and TLR, are question marks for me i did have TLR more wolfy but again he suggested a Wuf vote on day one which seemed unnecessary if he was a wolf.

so that left me with my wolf list:
Gator- pretty Quiet like last game (where he was a wolf), he's good and i don't expect him to slip up with anything major so this is all speculation, if the wolves don't get him soon my suspicions will grow

Boog- went after Roid (confirmed villager, his BW consisted of all people who were villagers and Dan (who i think is a villager)

DTB- as stated before, but i do think only one of either DTB or boog is a wolf not both.

Hoopy- not to much on him, just a suspision.

this all isn't based on all that much, but it's only day three and i'm sure things will change as more info is presented. maybe I'm just a level 1 thinker but especially early in the game i tend to take more at face value. anyways theres some of my thoughts.

[StillDeadMoney]

because his reasoning was that he had the page open a lot before voting for wuf...seems pretty thin, whereas SDM is all over the place, cannot get his story straight

I asked you what was unclear about the quotes and you ignored me.

i agree that SDM is all over the place

I'm quite firmly in one place.

Day 1: fake out as seer
Day 2: withdraw seer claim before real seer came out

"Good villagers" is not a contradiction in terms especially when a random bullet is more likely to hit a villager than a wolf. Since the player is more likely to be a vilager more often than a wolf, we'relikely losing a good villager if that good player is shot. Therefore, save bullets on decent players for reads that they actually are likely wolves and shoot the tard in the head that is determined to cause us nothing but grief.

Completely irrelevant to what I said: a "good villager" means nothing because you can't prove you're a villager. Now you're just trying to justify the vig blindly shooting into a crowd that has 3 wolves and 12 villagers, 1 of which is the angel. Imagine how brilliant you'd fucking look if you told the vig to shoot into the crowd and he knocked out the angel. Remember the game where JKDS shot the seer? Lucky for the village, the vig knows better than me (and bigred ) and knows to keep his gun holstered except for when it really matters.

But hey, you would rather the vig help the wolves win the game, go ahead and open fire when you're the vig. I'm going to laugh my ass off when you unload and hit a special, causing the village to lose.

[StillDeadMoney]

For those who missed it, my vote belongs to the seer. I'm going to vote exactly the way Benny is going to as long as I'm alive or until Benny dies. If you take me out, you're taking a vote away from the seer.

[TLR]

I am quite surprised that Gator and Rilla are defending SDM so much.
Can please someone explain to me why does it make any sense for a villager to come out as a fake seer ? Self preservation as a villager is not a good answer, since it screws the entire village in order to preserve an ordinary villager.

Once he came out as a fake seer it is pretty clear it cannot be held for too log, eventually someone will come out as the real seer, and a lot of players did not believe him in the first place.

I cannot say that SDM actions make good sense either way, I am saying that his actions are more likely to be those of a bad wolf then a bad villager.

I also think that Flomo is a good candidate to lynch or for a vig shot, if he keeps being MIA he will be a liability to the village either way

[philly and the phanatics]

I asked you what was unclear about the quotes and you ignored me.


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There is nothing unclear about your 2 posts, they clearly contradict each other and say opposite things. I ignored you because the last thing this game needs is more paragraphs of your nonsense. I mean that in the most literal way possible, as in there is no sense behind anything you say or do. That is why i ignored you. To avoid you repeating the same illegible paragraphs full of contrived bull shit.


Also SDM, do not respond to this, but did you even read the quote from carrots that you quoted? He wants to shoot you to avoid shooting into the crowd of people FFS.

[rong]

A few thoughts:

SDM's logic is continually off, just reading his last few posts I could pick apart so muuch as complete bullshit but I can't be assed. I don't understand how anyone can say that his stupid actions make him a villager. I agree they are not the telltail signs of a wolf, but they are by no means the actions of a villager either. I would still very much like to lynch him. Also everyone has an opinion on him which wikl help in terms of info, but I imagine anyone will be able to dismiss being wrong as it's sdm.

Flomo: WTF! Shoot that guy for non participation. I hate no shows in this game for obv reasons.

Boog: seems to have gone missing, I would quite happily lynch him for earlier actions and generally looking suspicios imo

DTB: meh, I'm not so sure, but the seer being on his back does add weight to the cause.

Overall, I'd choose Boog or SDM.

lawyer boog just to keep it open for now

[Hoopy]

I think we gain the most info from lynching DTB today.

rescind fulksy
lynch DTB

[a500lbgorilla]

I am quite surprised that Gator and Rilla are defending SDM so much.
Can please someone explain to me why does it make any sense for a villager to come out as a fake seer ? Self preservation as a villager is not a good answer, since it screws the entire village in order to preserve an ordinary villager.

It isn't about good answers, it's about what would SDM the wolf do and what would SDM the villager do. I think both would out as the seer. The villager because he'd already started playing the game lolcatting to make some sort of statement and was probably tilted at the village for rightly deciding just to put that away.

Gator made a solid point about wuf going for SDM on day 1.

If SDM is going to give his votes to Benny, I'd rather just wait for the vigs bullet to find him. I can only imagine why he didn't shoot him the first go round.

[a500lbgorilla]

In any case, I think we've had enough bouncing around today. rescind TLR

lawyer DTB

[Carroters]

I'm in two minds about this DTB wagon here. It started off very quickly indeed and although it screeched to a bit of a halt, I think we perhaps saw some wolves jump on very soon after benny cast his vote. It's now resuming again and SDM not getting more heat despite post after post of contradcition and nonsense is really begining to grate on me.

I hate that he's now claiming to follow the seer excatly. It's as if he's just doing absolutely everything he can to scrape by and not die. If he were a villager, having someone alive that makes it to end game only by pulling off suspicious move after suspicious move is going to lose the game for us. As it is, I'm now at least 60% on him being a wolf after this last tactical shift, which is more than I can say for DTB or any of the other candidates today. So if the vig is not inclined to kill SDM as last night suggests, I want him dead soon.

Also, SDM has been the centre of attention for the last 3 days, people's posts have revolved around his crazy actions, people have constantly bolded him then recinded him. I think we get by far the most informantion by stringing him up now then using that information to move forward.

Flomo should be shot pretty soon imo. I have no idea why these people play the game but sigh...

Rescind flomo

Lawyer SDM

[BennyLaRue]

because his reasoning was that he had the page open a lot before voting for wuf..

Way to oversimplify. Let's review what I've said about DTB:

1) He was part of the super-quick BooG lynch (4 votes in 30 min) with no explanation as to why, he just jumped on.
2) The timing tell
3) The wufwugy hammer vote

and now...

4) This defense, basically admitting he can't and wouldn't defend if the seer comes after him. Why? Because he thought I looked him up.

5) He's voting for SDM, the most logical BW once the heat was on him.

In isolation, each of these things might be pretty innocent. Piled together, along with no evidence to the contrary, it seems pretty wolfy.

[BennyLaRue]

So if the vig is not inclined to kill SDM as last night suggests, I want him dead soon.

What are the reasons the vig would not kill SDM?

He's getting a lot of talk and frankly, it's distracting. We don't need to worry about him right now. His voice in the village is effectively neutralized. Let's move on.

Flomo could get modkilled.

[bigred]

Total Player Votes:

DTB 6
SDM 4
TLR 1
Boog 1

8 needed for lynch

Modkills starts on night 4. You know who you are.