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    Right. Nice formula too.

    It's a little counter-intuitive to me that p includes villain's last bet, but it does yield a really nice formula. Of course you can do it either way.

    So, to illustrate the case of a pot-sized open raise, small blind's already bet .5, big blind raised to 1,
    so p = 1.5, B = 1, and we want to make a full pot-sized raise, so f = 1.
    Plugging in to R = B + f(p+B), we get R = 1+1*(1.5 + 1) = 3.5, correct.


    If you don't want to think of the pot as containing the last uncalled bet or raise, then daviddem's formula becomes
    R = B + f(pot + 2B)
    ie, match the bet, then add another f times all that, and that's an f-times pot-sized raise, laying odds of 1+f:f to the original bettor.

    edit:
    We should note that this formula works whether
    *hero is the first to bet that street, (in which case, B = 0 in the formula) and then the first caller behind is getting pot odds of 1+f:f, or
    *villain is the first to bet and it folds to us, or
    *there has been previous action that street and villain is either calling or raising (previous action before villain is just part of the pot), and this will lay odds of 1+f:f to villain, assuming everyone else in between folds.

    had to re-edit the edit lol
    Last edited by couriermike; 01-22-2011 at 02:00 PM.

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