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    looks familiar. note that you don't need to play LAG to crush micro FR, probably 14-11 is optimal, but not necessarily that fun...

    3 types of advantages, right? positional, card, and skill. Everyone over-estimates skill advantage. Positional and card are far less subjective.

    anyway, i suggest tighter from ep, tighter from mp, increase pfr from button without increasing vpip. 3b less in ep. Steal more from co/bu and less from sb. Stop calling junk from the bb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    looks familiar. note that you don't need to play LAG to crush micro FR, probably 14-11 is optimal, but not necessarily that fun...

    3 types of advantages, right? positional, card, and skill. Everyone over-estimates skill advantage. Positional and card are far less subjective.

    anyway, i suggest tighter from ep, tighter from mp, increase pfr from button without increasing vpip. 3b less in ep. Steal more from co/bu and less from sb. Stop calling junk from the bb.
    Yes, I know I *could* play tighter to play optimally, but somehow I keep widening up a bit. I definitely need to tighten up my EP ranges, and I'm going to dig deeper into my MP stats to see what hands I should be trimming out.

    Quote Originally Posted by daven
    you're probably calling 3bets too often
    Probably (definitely). Thanks for all the input, it reinforces what I know I should be doing, but somehow keep forgetting at the tables.

    Quote Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
    hard to 3bet much at 10nl when everyone just open limps to you and raises only 5% of hands
    Ha, true! But I think that's offset by the times we 3bet over the fish that like to minraise a wide range of hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donachello
    Flop Cbet is a bit low, SB is too loose and increase your PFR in late position.
    I might be calling a little too much from the SB, but most of my SB raises are either from a relatively tight value range or a blatant steal of a nit sitting in the BB. There are a lot of players at 10NL where I can steal with literally any two cards.
  3. #3
    Are you Att. Steal too much in bad positions?

    I have been trying to study spoon's post meticulously and apply it to my game.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...-a-152792.html

    Assumptions i am making:
    You win $0.1333/successful steal
    You lose $0.4/unsuccessful steal
    You fold the flop (i.e. not considering C bet)

    You steal on average 39.47% with an average success rate of 55.58%. If my math is correct you are losing on average 0.7216 ptBB/Att. steal ($0.1443). You would need a success rate of 75% just to be breaking even.
    Last edited by Openside; 11-12-2010 at 01:12 PM.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Openside View Post
    Are you Att. Steal too much?

    You steal on average 39.47% with an average success rate of 55.58%. You would need a success rate of 75% just to be breaking even.
    There are a few things to consider:

    1) That 39.47% includes my value range, so my steal range is actually smaller than that. That also means that my success rate needs to be less, because I want them to call with my value range.
    2) Against weak-tight villains, you can complete the steal on the flop by cbetting.
    3) When there are nits in the blinds, my standard raise size is only 3bb from the BTN/SB.

    I'm not sure how my stats compare to others, but if I filter for [ Position = 0 AND Raise First In ], my ptbb/100 is 60. For [ Post Small Blind AND Raise First In ] my win rate is only 1 ptbb/100.

    Finally -- my range completely depends on who is in the blinds. There are some players where I will bet literally any two cards, and on the other extreme there are some players where I only raise for value.

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