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[Sasquach991]

Why is 56s better than 33?

Show me some of that math stuff.

[spoonitnow]

Why is 56s better than 33?

Show me some of that math stuff.

Small-mid suited connectors usually play better than small-mid pocket pairs (there are some exceptions) because you can be more aggressive on more boards. For example, if you open in MP and a small stakes tagg regular who plays fairly straight-forward calls you in LP and the flop comes J72r, you c-bet and he calls, with something like 65s + bdfd you're going to have more profitable betting situations on the turn than if you have 33-66. Any card of your suit and any 8/4 gives you a ton of equity on the turn, and you're not doing too bad on any 9/6/5/3 either.

Flops for 33 are going to be hot or cold, either you hit and you're fist pumping like a champ, or you miss and you fold. (This is if you're playing straightforward obv)

With 56s or whatever, you can hit a lot of flops in a myriad of ways, pairs + FD, pair + GSSD, pair + OESD, two pair, trips, back door draws, etc. You can hit a lot of flops marginally (back door flush draw for example), cbet it, get called then hit an actual FD on the turn, and keep up the aggression. You're not going to be able to fire many double barrels with 33 on QT59 two tone board.

There's a piece of software that has a 7-day trial called Flopzilla that will let you see how different hands (or ranges) hit the flop on average.

On a related topic, something else to think about is if someone is folding whole a lot post-flop, having a set isn't that much better than having a medium-strength draw.

[jaytoi]

Try this i was checking it yesterday with the same questions.
Hitting Flops With Middle Suited-Connectors in Hold'em Poker

Basically you hit a spot of enough equity to play with about 40% of the time (when you flop OESDs, FDs, combo draws, two pair etc). When you have 33 it's completely unplayable 90% of the time because when you dont hit you're in a spot where you likely have about 10% or less equity.

[spoonitnow]

Basically you hit a spot of enough equity to play with about 40% of the time (when you flop OESDs, FDs, combo draws, two pair etc). When you have 33 it's completely unplayable 90% of the time because when you dont hit you're in a spot where you likely have about 10% or less equity.

Google for a piece of software called "flopzilla". There's a 7 day trial and it will answer all of this for you in extreme detail.

[jaytoi]

woops, thanks for the tip spoon. I actually thought there was only 1 page to this and was replying to the last post on the first page :P

needless to say flopzilla should help