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Damnit.. I'm so tired of writing a huge response detailing just about everything in the hand, that whenever I do that, the thread just dies, and no further discussion ensues. So I did it again, and then deleted it  .
Anyways, please, please, please refrain from alluding to the results in the thread title, or posting results etc. What do you get out of us knowing the results? "At what point should I have folded?" just lets us know that you believe you should have folded, in essence, telling us you lost the hand. This does not in any way aid to discussion, and if anything can take away from it by us assigning skewed ranged. Fwiw, this isn't just to you individually... It happened all the time in this forum, and I'm pretty damn tired of it, and if I wasn't procrastinating on a paper that is due tomorrow, I would have just responded with a troll post like "gotta know when to hold em, and when to fold em".
Anyways, fold preflop. You are a dog to his value 3betting range. You are UTG, and he is 3betting from the one place he could have absolute position in calling. 4bet/folding is poor because if he folds, then you were ahead. 4bet/calling is poor because you are likely never ahead of this guys stacking off range.
Calling preflop leads to building a larger pot OOP against a range in which you are a dog to. You have huge reverse implied odds postflop, leading to winning maybe 1 bet when ahead, and losing 1-3 when behind. Think what hands he 3bets that he would put in his stack with on a Q or A board, and see how you fair against that range (hint: you are a pretty massive dog).
So fold preflop.. Easily, it's uber standard here. Had this been a Button v Small Blind situation, then calling becomes much better than it is here, but still marginal depending on villain's 3betting tendencies.
As far as flop, check/calling is also uber standard. Doing anything else is just bad imo. Donking allows him to fold any of the bluffs that was in his range, and even some worse value hands you could have got a bet out of on later streets.
C/raising the flop is horrendous. Especially under the pretense of "narrowing his range". Any worse hand (QQ-KK, bluffs, etc) are very likely to fold to the c/raise. And in most cases, they have relatively little equity against you (QQ-KK have less than 10% equity). Better hands (JJ/AK/AA/AJ[unlikely in his range]) are obviously not folding. So a check/raise just builds a larger pot against a range you are massively behind.
On the turn, I woudln't consider anything other than check/call or check/fold. I'd say it's a check/fold, without too much hesitation. The river is just horrendous spew, and you are probably never ahead here. He's never valuebetting a worse hand. And he probably isn't bluffing either. So easy check/fold on the river.
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