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  1. #1

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    Hai. Well, since my previous operation didn't go as planned, mostly because Full Tilt Poker ended up in jail, starting a new operation, on Jokerstars, hoping they wont get busted too. And really I was sick of putting people on pocket pairs in that Rush Poker idiocy every time I got raised by everyone.

    Starting bankroll: 48$.
    Starting limit: NL2 obv. (missing 2$ for bankroll management, hope I wont get busted )
    Starting date: 23.07.2011


    I have separated my goals in two distinct suboperations:

    1. GRINDCORE
    - it grinds 5 - 10k hands each day it plays pokah
    - it does not tilt
    - it doesn't do stupid stuff
    - it follows bankroll management
    - it puts the lotion in the basket (optional)

    2. MINDSET
    - it plays very few tables
    - it puts villains on ranges, and takes notes on villains
    - it thinks
    - it achieves the level of superuser and wins 1.000.000$ before world economy collapses


    Also here's some great music for all you grinders out there. Wish me luck.

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    Well my first day went well. My red line sucks bad though, and my stats are horrible 8/7 which make me feel like a complete tard. Nor stealing nor defending blinds. At this level villains are absolutely ridiculous, and valuebetting owns them pretty hard. Could have saved myself couple of buyins though, by not getting it in preflop vs some nits, and perhaps folding some top pairs vs uberaggression.
    I gotta work on a red line a bit though, and steal in obvious spots vs other rocks and 3bet some habitual stealers. But with 24 tabling its kinda been tough, so dropping a few tables for a next session, and polishing up HUD a bit.



    Dumbest hand of a day.

    Villain is 17/9 over 50 hands. Squeeze is pretty standard. His flop call doesn't thrill me very much, but I can see him doing this with some A8s, 77, TT, QQ, A9 (might raise this one?), some other Ax. Turn shove came as a shocker, but I was commited and picked like 4 more outs given that he didn't make FH, so i call. I suppose his line was weird since my turn bet already had me commited (more or less), but again, why would he shove there if he had nuts and it was obvious I would just hang myself on the river for the rest of my stack. But whatever, bingo for me I guess.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop | saw showdown

    MP3 ($3.12)
    CO ($1.64)
    Button ($0.89)
    SB ($2)
    Hero (BB) ($2)
    UTG ($0.77)
    UTG+1 ($2.91)
    MP1 ($2.39)
    MP2 ($0.18)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
    2 folds, MP1 bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.06, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, MP1 calls $0.19, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.57) 9, 8, 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.33, MP1 calls $0.33

    Turn: ($1.23) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.70, MP1 raises to $1.81 (All-In), Hero calls $0.72 (All-In)

    River: ($4.07) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $4.07 | Rake: $0.20

    Results:
    Hero had J, J (full house, nines over Jacks).
    MP1 had J, A (three of a kind, nines).
    Outcome: Hero won $3.87
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    Holy shit I love sundays. Fish is on a heater obviously. The FR NL2 grind part was till about 4k hands. The downswing and crazyness after is 6x NL2 6max euro tables, made some pretty terrible moves which I must analyze, but at the end got paid off good by tilting fish who went shoving all of his hands preflop and ran into my aces.

    Anyway, onto the first part. I was running super hot, got paid with AA's preflop multiple times vs rocks. But AKs also ran good vs shortstacks. Other than that pretty standard stuff, except one dumb blind defend with KT, and calling preflop shove with JJ's vs villain where I percieved my hand as a coinflip. Lost to QQ.

    Dropped couple of tables so stats were better today too... 10/9, less cbeting then usual. Also stealing and defending tiny bit more. Love the redline but I might attribute it to very lucky day.



    Teh hand of a dumbness.

    Villain is 17/15 over 260 hands with 50% steal. A hand before this one he beat my AJ with A9. And very next hand he decides to steal again. So I assume the guy is full of it. This time villain bet a bit stronger then on previous hand. Anyway I call, feeling quite confident about my twopair on turn, although Q completes a possible nut straight. I lead out on a river, hoping to get called by worse hands, but instead I get instajammed. I hate myself at that moment, I know villains range is superwide from CO, but I thought he might do that with TP types of hands, twopairs, air, anyway it looked like he turned hand into bluff, so i called.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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    MP2 ($7.54)
    CO ($4.46)
    Button ($2.03)
    Hero (SB) ($2)
    BB ($0.85)
    UTG ($3.20)
    MP1 ($0.67)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, Q
    3 folds, CO bets $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.14) K, 10, 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.34) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24

    River: ($0.82) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.47, CO raises to $4.06 (All-In), Hero calls $1.13 (All-In)

    Total pot: $4.02 | Rake: $0.19

    Results:
    Hero had 10, Q (two pair, Queens and tens).
    CO had 2, 5 (two pair, fives and twos).
    Outcome: Hero won $3.83


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    Shouldn't even really play yesterday because I was feeling really down, but what a hell, gotta swallow the crap and do business. Some obvious retarded play there in the middle, like shoving AQ and QQ preflop, don't know what I was thinking, but obviously I wasn't. Other than that lots of coolers, runner-runners, set over sets, suckouts etc, pretty standard stuff. Also been paying shortstacking scum too much, and didn't work enough on steal/defend. So, dropping down tables a bit more today so I can focus better.

    Also some good news, going on vacation on Adriatic Sea this thursday and feeling quite happy about it. Am actually gonna play some good ol' rock'n'roll on a festival there. And getting drunk. And swim in a sea (not drunk). And getting sunburns.

    Wow, just figured that forces me to grind 200 more VPP this month to become a goldstar.


    Anyway, here's the dumbest hand in this session.
    BB is 54/7 dumbo. And MP1 is 33/8 smartboy. Anyway, I didn't put MP1 on AK because he limped preflop, assumed he might be flush drawing or having 88. Jam on a flop was dumb thing of me to do, but didn't give much credit to two fish, which of course proves to be correct. SOULREAD!!! And poker gods smite me down.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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    BB ($4.49)
    UTG ($2.58)
    UTG+1 ($0.80)
    MP1 ($0.76)
    MP2 ($2.43)
    MP3 ($1.55)
    Hero (CO) ($2)
    Button ($0.77)
    SB ($1.21)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, A
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.10, 2 folds, BB calls $0.08, MP1 calls $0.08

    Flop: ($0.31) 8, A, K (3 players)
    BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $0.21, BB calls $0.21, MP1 raises to $0.66 (All-In), Hero raises to $1.90 (All-In), BB calls $1.69

    Turn: ($4.77) J (3 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($4.77) J (3 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $4.77 | Rake: $0.23

    Results:
    BB had K, J (full house, Jacks over Kings).
    MP1 had 7, A (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
    Hero had Q, A (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
    Outcome: BB won $4.54
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    There she is, back on the track. Could've put more hands today but I've been uber-lazy. Also would like to take the opportunity to thank to all the Spanish poker players, you are just the greatest donators. Nothing really worth of mentioning today, made a few obvious mistakes for couple of buyins. Also getting pretty annoyed by players 3betting for minimum preflop, often with pretty stupid ranges, and once they actually show some strength postflop they get a fold, and don't get payed with their pocket aces or whatever because they just played it so retarded preflop.


    Villain is 75/50 over 12 hands. Further commentary not needed. The hand plays itself.

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    SB ($1.50)
    BB ($0.91)
    UTG ($1.31)
    Hero (MP1) ($2)
    MP2 ($1.70)
    CO ($4.16)
    Button ($3.14)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q
    1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, CO raises to $4.16 (All-In), 3 folds, Hero calls $1.92 (All-In)

    Flop: ($4.03) 6, 8, 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Turn: ($4.03) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($4.03) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $4.03 | Rake: $0.20

    Results:
    Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and sixes).
    CO mucked A, 4 (two pair, sixes and fours).
    Outcome: Hero won $3.83
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    Hi again, back from my short vacation. I had a great time, getting wasted, swimming a bit, hanging out, etc. Nothing spectacular, but pretty sweet vacation overall. Anyway, back to poker. I'm pretty much crushed NL2 last month while grinding 24 tables, fish is just so spewtarded and most important you get paid off and called a lot. So I moved to NL5 since I built a roll for it. Well, actually I didn't, since 125$ barely covers for loading up 24 tables, it takes me at least 10-15 more buyins to feel comfortable if I get busted and gotta rebuy.
    But anyway, I get there, and run into pretty much no more or less then a rockfest. Can barely extract one street of value from anyone, if someone calls two streets I am probably beat like 80% of the time. Ofc I almost never get spewed at when I have a actual hand or nuts, but if I bluff or semibluff most of the time I run into a nice fat reraise. That is not so much of a concern to me, but the fact that the fish usually tends to be uberlucky, at least against me. Although most of my profits came from fish, also some of the biggest suckouts got from those too.
    Two, definitely best hands carved in my memory. I open vs a whale with AQ from CO, he calls from a BTN. Flop comes Ac6d8c, I make almost pot sized bet, fish calls, turn comes Ah, I make almost pot bet again, fish calls. River comes 2h. I still feel quite good about my hand and fire again. And fish shows 22. Didn't even ship it.

    The other hand was one where I had AA, and played it kinda passive vs shortstack, thinking he will prolly hang himself with whatever he has. Flop comes something with two hearts, nothing scary. Fish bets, I call. Turn comes Ah, completing a possible flush draw and my set. Fish jams, I call, and he shows 44h. Ofc river comes a heart and fishy sucks out. Though I played hand kinda passive I still think this one would jam it pre, still with the same result.

    Overall, lots of these situations, and quite a bit of a spew from me costing me bunch of buyins. Sadly, most of the time I never got paid by made hands, but with ones I sucked out on villains too. All in all, I don't like my game at this level, since I figured, unlike in NL2, most of the players like this limit to actually learn the game, so opposition is quite tough, and ofc everyone is grinding it. But to actually grind it myself, I would probably need to devise much better postflop plan, because pure valuebetting just doesn't work, and I'm losing value in lots of spots where villains might bluff/stab me. Also, my stats on most of the tables make me look like a supernit, and that is just horrible, because I'm getting very little action when raising, and even less action if 3betting. I actually suspect that flatting AA and KK has much more value (even up to 25NL), then 3betting at those limits, although you can get suckered from time to time.
    To recap, I fucked up more then half of my bankroll on NL5, but am not going back to grinding NL2. 1.5$/h profit isn't really motivating, plus I will learn absolutely nothing there. Instead, I went to play 2-3 NL5 euro tables, running hot atm, and I have time to think about every street and make loads of marginal decisions.
    Still gotta review that NL5 grind session to find some of my major leaks, and reevaluate potential profits based on correct decisions in spots where I messed up. It should at least give me an overall perspective would that kinda strategy be profitable/breakeven, for the session.


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    Had a good session today. Only 1700 meh hands, but solid 13bb/100 winrate. Made a few very shitty decisions however. Reg villain lead out for 1/2 pot while i held KK on Q high board, and since he usually leads for pot size with overpairs, and probably TPTK type hands, alarms kinda went off, but I still got it all in on the flop since I wasn't 100% sure and got busted by his set of queens.
    On two other hands I paid off ridiculously passive 37/9 villain, who coldcalled my flop and turn bet with flopped FH, and decided to lead river, same as he did with TPGK later on.
    Also tried bluffing a guy on superwet board, and he called with KK overpair, he actually played it pretty bad since I could beat him with so many hands in that particular spot, but droolers drool at this level. Oh yeah, also called a few just for the sake of seeing what droolers had. Terrible by me. Not really happy about all those mistakes, not if I'm serious about moving up.
    Tomorrow will work a tad bit more on note taking, I'm kinda lazy about doing it, I mostly remember some stuff for the session and just paint teh fish in green.
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    Played two meh sessions today. First one was solid, second one I finished minutes ago and was a bit Jagermeister induced, I was more aggro then usually and pushing everyone around, and although I ended up only 3bb/100 for that session it was quite nice experience. Made lots of players frustrated and pushed few of them into making huge mistakes and donating me stacks. On the other side I made few too loose calls and few times ran into a bad suckout. Now waiting for Jager to go outta my organism so I can play some more.

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    A special treat for today I have. A very professional session graph analysis.
    As you can see I had a very special day. It started by overplaying garbage and trying to represent stuff that villain actually holds. Then some pro laggy spewtarded play, very good postflop, bluffing, folding and betting in right spots, just like happy little camper. Then came the second bluffest, representing stuff again and trying to make villains fold overpairs and stuff, which they don't do, ever, so, its impossible. Then I played good again, and luckboxed in multiway pot with a set on a flush flop where one villain had K high made flush and other AA flush draw, rivered a full house, made them cry. And then fish floated flop in 3bet pot with AQ, turned Q and I committed AK since i turned FD, but he sucked out. Then I played some poker again, got sucked out by dude who called 3bet from CO with T8, floated ATx FD flop, and turned twopair vs my TP+FD. And then in very next minute two dudes valueowned me lightly with pocket aces and I turned of Jokerstars and went to jump out through the window.

    On the brightside I won 50$ by luckboxing in Fifty50 SNGs today so feelin good overall. Off to get my whip and bash those bluffs outta my head.
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    I was just about to write a huge emo rant right here. I don't like emo rants, huge or small, so I will make it small.

    I have reached a point in my life where I have to make some though decisions. And I made some today, regardless of consequences. And I don't really like it, because I'm a phlegmatic type of person that can take a passive line in a situation, because:
    1. most situations will usually resolve itself without dramatic or unwanted conclusion
    2. most situations are product of human generated bullshit and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously
    Until you get cornered, you know, are left with only a few big blinds and have to ship it. Because its the right thing to do no matter what are your hole cards.

    So I'm stopping with poker for now, but only for a few days or a week at most. Too tilted and too nervous. I was actually playing couple hours today and was actually raging with every fucking hand I played. EVERY FUCKING HAND. But I also might say, objectively, that today I have been sucked out on more then any other day in my short poker "career".

    So It does not grind ATM, It goes to chill out. Peace and out.

    P.S. I'll be back, unfortunately for some of you.
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    I'm back. Those emo life issues of mine have been put on hold, unfortunately for me. But what a hell, the time will come eventually.
    I figured long time ago, though I never applied it properly, that you have to take all aspects of life equally seriously, and have a good priorities, if you want to be successful in anything.
    And this is sort of what my priorities should look like atm:
    1. Health
    2. Finances
    3. Friends, GF, free time

    Though its ridiculous to prioritize finances higher than friends and GF, I'm atm financially dependent and that really sucks, and finding a job is also pretty difficult right now.

    So yeah, with all that in mind, my toppest priorities atm are resolving some health issues, got a tooth that screams to be fixed, and also have wisdom teeth grown all over the place, I'm not sure if they gotta be surgically removed or what but I feel like a shark (in a teeth number sense, not in a poker sense). And also priority is to try to make some serious cash by playing pokah.

    Right now I'm playing those hyperturbo HU sngs at Pokerstars, they are superfast, very profitable, and usually fun. They stop being fun if you tilt out because of small downswing and then start doing shit. So I'm grinding those right now, and though i played only like 500 of 1.5$ ones I need to put in at least that much more, or even 1000-1500 more, because I make too much mistakes.
    Its also great place to learn tilt control, because even as a winning player, you actually lose about 30-40% or more of these SNGs, and that is 10 out of 30 per hour, single-tabling. And I must LOL at players who multitable hyperturbos, because all of them are superslow retards, except for that one guy. He is just sick. Gonna own him one day. Multiple times.

    Will post some graphlings tomorrow. Going to get wasted now or something.
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    Grinding those Hyper HU's is just sweet. Also very exhausting. Unlike 6m or FR anything, where you sleep through 90% of action since game time consists of 80% of folding time and 20% of playing time, here you gotta think through every hand, and constantly analyze a villain as he does his actions. Thats 2-3 minutes of pure thinking, and it doesn't get any brutal then that.
    Things to take a note of:
    1. you won because you made a mistake - variance saved my ass, but it was still a wrong move vs this specific villain
    2. you lost because you made a mistake - no need to explain

    There are no really other things to cry about in this game, if villain sucks out on you then good for him, but he obviously made a mistake and in a longer run you are destined to own him.


    Here's a glorious graphling. Only 670 games, but I think it shows expected winrate quite good. Things in red circles is variance juiced up with TILT. That is just NOT how normal variance should look like.
    I think I will grind this until I reach 50BI for next BI level, just so I don't go on a monkey tilt if I suffer a huge swing.



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    Grinding 3.5$ hyperHUSNGs ATM, low volume, breakeven. There are less morons at this level then at 1.5$, and those who are retarded luckbox way too much. So, still adjusting I suppose. Also bough myselfs a huge 23" LED monitor so I can see cards better.

    Also went to play my first live tourney yesterday. It was heaps of fun, about 30 ppl, 4 places payed, ended up sixth due to retarded mistake I made in late game.
    To shortly recap. I was incredibly nervous, and huge tellbox I suppose. I really didn't think I will be that nervous but whatever. 2000 chips, 25/50 blinds. In the very first hand I got QQ and was in CO position, 2 ppl limped before me and I quickly punished that with raise to 300. Two of them called. Flop came Axx with a flush draw and I cried. And also being so moronically nervous, but luckily IP, I bet only 300 on flop. One guy calls. Turn and river went check check, and I won the hand, other guy mucked. As it turned out later he was a pretty big calling station, and it was unlimited rebuy tourney until first break, and that guy rebought like 5 times i think. Soon after, when I misplayed AJ on missed flop I was left with half a stack (other dude had bottom pair), decided to jam whatever was left vs that calling station with KJ. Unlucky me, he had and actual hand this time, JJ.
    Then I rebought, and things started going well. The biggest hand was prolly the one where i flopped set of 88, on 987 board, and made almost pot size bet vs villain (about 4k chips), and he jams. He had T6, I rivered a full house. Soon after I had about 25-30k chips. And then hands stopped coming, and ante was slowly eating me away.
    So anyway, still around 20-25k, final table, two guys from EP limp (big blind is 1500 now), and it was really annoying because they did that all the time, and me in CO with A3s, best hand I was dealt in 1 hour or so. And I decide to limp behind, and then, me, the moron take 3x 1000 chips and minraise two limpers!!! By the time I realized what I have done it was pretty fucking too late, and I had to stay cool. They both called. So, thinking now...either they think I'm a fish or that I have a big PP and wan to keep them in pot. Flop comes Q72 flush draw, they check. I decide to bluff, and bet 5k. UTG thinks for a while and jams, I fold. And he shows 88 and tells me how he put me on AK or something. Well, now I was one of shortstacks and card dead for rest of the road. Got 0 Ax hands, was unable to jam any weaker holdings because some guys left of me were calling jams too often with wide but solid holdings, and guy right of me was jamming a lot also thus forcing me to fold, and his jamming range was AA-88, AK, AQ, AJ. He was luckboxing greatly, and went on all showdowns with premiums. And thats pretty much it. Last hand was T2 vs some guys QJ, and I was busto.

    Definitely going next time, most of this guys are so bad, and without me making stupid mistakes I can very much end up in cash.
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    Luckboooooooooox! That was some sick run. 150 tourneys today, my brain has turned into a goo. Had some sick luckboxing at near the end, but I also readjusted. During first 100 tourneys I was aggrobluffingdonk, then switched to taggish style with lots of trapping. Works great vs fish who like to float + backstab. And there is plenty of those. I have 25 BI for 7$ SNGs now but too scared to go there yet. Gonna double up to 50 and then move up to pillage and plunder. Lol I'm actually terrified of this upswing because from my past experience it is followed by similarly sick downswing.

    Off now to Party Poker to have some micro fun at 6max tables. Players there are ridiculous, they really like to press that pot size bet button.
  20. #20
    One super fucking shitty run today. 200 tourneys. Breakeven. But its not my mistakes that worry me, I had few of those, and was quite aware of it. It was fucking incredible how many retards sucked out on me today. For example: villain shoves total crap into me, I win and he is left with 1-2 big blinds. What happens next is that i get various solid hands like Ax, Kx, broadways, that are obviously great vs nearly dead villain. But he manages to suck out 3-4 times in a row with some rags and rebuild his stack to normal size and later on own me by sucking out some more. This happened to me like zillion times today. Not to mention all Kx that dominated my Ax. Fucking sick.
    Still, I would have ROI of 3-5% today at least if it wasn't for some of my terrible mistakes.
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    Ventured into 7$ hypers with 35 buyins. Ofcourse, poker gods decided to instantly bless me with a nice little 15BI downswing. Not a really good start, and then it turned into a rollercoaster. Although I gained some confidence at the end, and adjusted relatively well, I will def stay away from these until I shape up my game at 3.5$ HU's and reach 100BI. That's a double amount I previously decided to go up with. But I don't feel comfortable with such a huge swings, and there are def some leaks in my game that contribute to that.

    Villains here are rediculous too. Calling 3 barrels with pair of deuces. Calling 3 barrels with K high. And they never played with me before. But for some reason they think I'm bluffing. Lol.
  22. #22
    Without realizing it, I started playing 7$ HUs today. On 9th game I realized I'm earning kinda large quantities of money, and then figured it out. Now moving down before busto.

    I have really good mindset today. Although I'm not prying into the maths yet and mostly go by the feeling, before every action, I ask myself one very important question: "Is this the correct decision in this situation based on all information that I have acquired so far?" And it truly is a great question to be pounded in every situation, because no matter what is the income of the hand you already know in advance that you made the right (or wrong) decision.


    The one that I fucked up. Villains call on flop was extremely strong, but kinda took me by surprise. Didn't know what to think atm. I knew he would def want to raise any T in his range. He might also raise me with any 8. I also had no reason to put him on bluff.
    His river bet speaks for itself, its a good value bet because he saw me go to showdown with crap previously (and suck out on him). Lesson learned...if it tickles its a Tickle Monster.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) (t330)
    BB (t670)

    Hero's M: 11.00

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, A
    Hero bets t40, BB calls t20

    Flop: (t80) 10, 8, 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t40, BB calls t40

    Turn: (t160) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: (t160) 2 (2 players)
    BB bets t120, Hero calls t120

    Total pot: t400

    Results:
    Hero mucked 8, A (one pair, eights).
    BB had 9, 7 (straight, ten high).
    Outcome: BB won t400
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    Why didn't you bet the turn in the previous hand if you believe villain is raising all his Tx on the flop? You should be betting the turn anyway versus almost every villain here but it doesn't make sense to eliminate Tx from his range then not barrel the turn.

    35BIs is NOT enough for hypers no matter how big of an edge you have.
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    As I said, I had a bit of a history with that player, and based on his previous actions I was really uncertain what were his holdings, but it seemed in my mind they were either very strong or that he was maybe drawing (both flush or straight). Therefore I decided there was more value in letting him barrel river with possibly missed draws. (I've never seen how he plays draws before, and whenever he didn't fold so far he always had something good).

    Regarding your other statement. I just recently saw some other guys graph (but from FT superturbos), and although it was sick (roi 6% over 10k tourneys) he had a few crazy 10-20BI downswings. And he is goooood.
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    It is so insanely hot. Don't want to exist at the moment. Wanna throw a big water baloon at a sun. Even too lazy to grind moniez for air conditioning. 35 tourneys today only. Lost only few of those so I earned some sweet cash. Even more reason to be lazy today.
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    I really hate it when I get it in with a worst hand and suck out, wakes up teh fish in me. And very often in those situations I'm not sure if I have made a solid decision or am I just a pure donk.



    In next though, I managed to figure I'm a donk.
    Villain is unknown. Fifth hand in tourney. Villain seemed weak tight, folded 2 of my consecutive raises, so I went to see how much I can push it, although 75 is not what I would play vs aggro villains. Flop comes good, and I def don't want villain to see the next card cheap if he decides to float. He snap minraised my cbet which is very often a bluff. But since I didn't know villains tendencies it could be overpairs, stronger 7, or semibluff with 6x or 3x. I decide to jam, and see the horror...luckily, I suck out.
    Mistakes:
    - I assumed villain was tightish, but didn't go with that assumption in this hand. Tighters would very rarely bluff, especially this early. Therefore, his range was very strong.
    - If I was working with assumption he might be bluffing, better move would be to 3bet him to 200-240. And then obviously fold to a jam, and still have some room to recover.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) (t530)
    BB (t470)

    Hero's M: 17.67

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 5
    Hero bets t40, BB calls t20

    Flop: (t80) 6, 7, 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t120, Hero raises to t490 (All-In), BB calls t310 (All-In)

    Turn: (t940) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

    River: (t940) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: t940

    Results:
    Hero had 7, 5 (straight, seven high).
    BB had 6, 7 (two pair, sevens and sixes).
    Outcome: Hero won t940


    50 Tourneys today, 18% ROI. Gonna do 100 more later to ruin that winrate, as soon as sun fucks off from this side of planet. Its like in microwave oven in here.
  27. #27
    Sick rollercoaster today. 150 tourneys, 4% ROI. Pretty mediocre, if not just bad. I know 3.5$ can prolly be beat for like 10% ROI, dare to say even more. But made too much mistakes, misread few hands for a bluff, and was too happy to call with mid pairs in some spots. Calling it a day.
    I still find it ridiculous how many ppl are willing to call 2 barrels with bottomest pair, and if lucky enough catch their runner-runner gutshot or fd and owning my poor little toppest pair. Keep playing guys.
  28. #28
    Played like dick today. Big breakeven dick. I wouldn't even call it a poker. Obvious leaks are obvious. Therefore tomorrow is leakfinding day. And history analyzing day. Noticed villains got a bit tougher. But plenty of fish. Though lucky fish.


    EDIT: Lol. On a bright side, I just went to spend my FPPs on sunday storm hyper satelites, and 10k gtd hypers. Had about 1400 FPP. Managed to win (luckbox) 5 of those 235FPP sats, thus winning 58$ of tournament money. And 1400 FPP in VIP STORE is worth a lousy 18$. Profits!!!!!111
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    Monthly recap. Well, what to say, I'm not a total fish, graph obviously going up. Most of my mistakes are tilt and fancy stuff related, as I figured out today in a very eye opening session where I started by playing very good, and ended it by trying fancy shit on villains.
    Not satisfied with volume either, I should've played at least 3-4000 games, so that is my goal for next month, along with better tilt control. In my defense, I must say its totally exhausting to think about every hand for every second of a game, so I also must come up with better daily schedule and gameplan to relieve myself from stress. Best course of action: man up, move up, afford a private masseuse. Tilt problem solved.
  30. #30
    Going on live tourney today. 10$ + Unlimited rebuy + addon. I hope I play good today. And/or luckbox.
  31. #31
    Sick start of a month. It began with a huge 20-25BI downswing, ended today with a huge rungood (about 15BI) over 35 tourneys. I won almost every coinflip.
    Low volume though, but game is def improving. Hate villains against which I don't have edge postflop (aggro calling stations that can go to showdown with bottom pair anyday), and happen to be card dead at the same time.
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    Printing moniez. It seems that if you stop being a spewtard you increase your winrate significantly. Moving up soon.
  33. #33
    Funny little session I had today. It seems gods of poker were in favor of fish. Got beat by really terrible fish today, especially from some really terrible reg fish. Most coinflips were in their favor, also it seems that whenever I jam it in late stage of game (with Kx, or some weak Ax), I seem to run in top of their range. Still winning though, some tiny ROI of 2.5% over 120 games, so calling it a day.

    One of the most important things I have learned in last few days (actually saw it in some instructional vid and decided to try it out): DO NOT EVER LOOK AT YOUR ALLIN SHOWDOWNS!!!
    Its simple: you jam, villain calls, you look at his hole cards and look away, somewhere, anywhere, until all streets are shown. And then you look back, and see wether you won or lost. And you simply don't care. It has reduced my tilting significantly, actually, its almost nonexistent. I had really short tilt session today where few fish in a row gaypiled on me with huge suckouts, but chilled pretty fast, other then that, its all cool.
    And why is that so? When you are allin and watch cards going down, you are anxious from anticipation, especially if villain pairs his card on flop, and then you get all mad and go into gambly mode and cheer for your card to come on turn and river. If you don't get it, you get mad. If you get it, you also get a tiny orgasm in your brain.
    And why is that bad? If villain sucks out on you, you will pretty much be tilting. Wtf how can this happen noob fish donk!!??!?! And focus goes away. Same way, if you suck out on villain, and were a huge underdog (like Q5 vs AK), you get all excited because you got money in BAD, and you won, and it induces a gambler in you, to pull out bluffs and crazy play more often. So that is also not good for a game.

    So, once you remove anticipation and gamblish excitement from a game you can be fully focused to make rational decisions. And thats it.
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    Moved up. Running hot. Or it might be that there is bigger fish on bigger stakes?

    Won't be able to put more volume today and tomorrow, because I gotta work on some RL stuff, plus my CISCO lessons started so I gotta have some time to study.
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  35. #35
    I played like real dick yesterday. First I went up 10BI, and then managed to drop to -5BI for a day. I wouldn't even call it a C game...it was more like a F game. Went on a little tilt, so that also contributed, because I played about 5-6 sessions vs some shovetard that managed to beat me, and as a bonus, during other two sessions in a row I managed to jam my Qx holdings into AA.
    Manning up for today.
  36. #36
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB (t538)
    Hero (SB) (t462)

    Hero's M: 15.40

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 9
    Hero bets t40, BB calls t20

    Flop: (t80) 6, 9, A (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t40, BB raises to t80, Hero raises to t422 (All-In), BB calls t342

    Turn: (t924) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t924) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t924

    Results:
    Hero had J, 9 (full house, sixes over nines).
    BB had 10, 2 (flush, Ace high).
    Outcome: Hero won t924


    I just died of laughter.
  37. #37
    :brag: Lost 9 games in a row few hours ago. Sickest thing that happened to me so far. Then went to dentist, he drugged me and massacred my tooth, and charged me 30$ to make my tooth look nice afterwards. I'm cool now. Gonna be putting some serious volume till the end of the month.
  38. #38
    Had a few rough days. Although I am doing below expectation for the month, I have learned quite valuable lesson, and that is to differentiate the mental state I'm in while playing. And I found myself in two states while playing:
    1. thinking state
    2. Imma bluff tha shit outta ya state
    If I start the session in state 2, things can go very wrong very fast, so now, my objective, at the beginning of every session is to determine if I'm capable to play, and if not, do necessary measures to switch over to state 1.

    I also ventured into 15$ tourneys, but only for a session. A night long insane session. I ended up breakeven over 7 hours of play, mostly due to starting downswing that is apparently quite common for me while readjusting. And what I've noticed is a huge difference between 15$ and 7$ players. Earth and sky so to speak. A average 7$ player is an insane aggressive floating type that can't wait to raise you or flop with bottom pair or call 3 barrels with his middle pair on relatively safe board. Aggression doesn't work on these guys, they can simply go down with anything. Unlike those 15$ average players. These are just soooooo submissive and once you spot them, pure aggression just crushes them.
    So thats a cool thing about playing too many hands and lots of junk. If villain plays back a lot obviously he will have bunch of junk too, and that just makes all your crappy hands much more valuable.

    Oh, and I have spotted a 7$ hyper massmultitabling reg. I think he plays like 4-8 tables at least at the time. No opinion yet, I think he might be good, but I have seen him call me down with some funky stuff. And I'm hell bent on crushing him.

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    Will prolly grind 7$ for the rest of the month or until 1200$ whatever comes first, and then going up to 15$ for good.
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    A monthly goodness. Moving up to 15$ HUs tomorrow. Will also be less lazy and post some HHs.
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    Oh well, things at 15$ didn't go so smooth. Over the course of first two days of 15$ sessions I have plunged down 30 buyins. Now I must say that is pretty much standard variance although I can account some to my bad play. But most of it, REALLY REALLY most of it were just huge coolers. Losing shoves with bunch of Ax vs Kx underdogs, losing with AK-AJ vs weak aces, PPs losing excessively vs Ax, Kx, while on the other hand villains seem to hit their sets and quads with PPs just way too often. But as I said it is all pretty standard and although it tilted me quite a bit, there is no need to get all whiny about it.

    The bad thing in the whole story is that I also had to withdraw 300$ for my personal needs. So now I'm pretty much running around 3.5$ and 7$ levels again.

    And since I'm really eager to play with big boys I have started to develop my multitabling skills. 4-tabling seems supersoft at 3.5$, and although I make some mistakes obviously and lose some good spots to exploit villains, gianormous volume and bunch of fish makes up for all of it.
    7$ tourneys I mostly 1-2 table, but I might give it a shot at 4 tables if I develop a great strategy and skillset.

    So yeah...back to the brainwashing masstabling nutpeddling psycho hillbilly grind!

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  44. #44
    I have no idea did my internet connection started to suck those last two days or Pokerstars is having some issues, but it is the most annoying thing ever. Can't play normally.
  45. #45
    Sometimes I forget whats A game all about, I just turn on my fishy autopilot and run through games like tornado. Prolly gonna put big moto on screen: "Think, then act." Stopped 4-tabling 3.5$ hypers, its just so hectic and annoying, I'm 2-tabling 7$ instead now. Gonna grind Platinum star this month, what would increase my ROI by something like tiny 0.5% I thinks.
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    nah not .5% that would be HUGE. I was getting 1% ROI from SN so platinum would be about 5/7s of that. which is still pretty good. remember .2% ROI over 10k games is an extra 20BI. Every little leak/bad fold/bad shove/missed cbet etc is making a huge difference. Keep trucking though. You seem to have a pretty good desire and I look forward to seeing you post some nice results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    nah not .5% that would be HUGE. I was getting 1% ROI from SN so platinum would be about 5/7s of that. which is still pretty good. remember .2% ROI over 10k games is an extra 20BI. Every little leak/bad fold/bad shove/missed cbet etc is making a huge difference. Keep trucking though. You seem to have a pretty good desire and I look forward to seeing you post some nice results.
    Hmm...

    To maintain platinum:

    7500 VPP x 2.5 = 18750 FPP
    Platinum star 650$ cash bonus costs 50 000, so if I do 18750/50000 x 650 = 243.75$
    Plus those tiny stellar rewards where 7500 VPP equals 75$
    So total I get 318.75$ or 45 buyins for 7$ level, which add up to my ROI no matter how many games I won or lost in process. Right?
  48. #48
    Made me an overambitious goal for this month, will be quite tough, especially since I don't know yet when I have my Cisco exam for second semester, so I might exchange bunch of poker time for study time.
  49. #49
    As expected, a very busy month. But I think I will accomplish somewhere around 50-75% of my goal.

    Here's one hand history for today, been slacking on these lately.
    Villain is 80/40 over 18 hands. Stabbed river IP for 3/4 pot on early limped hand where i had twopair, folded to jam, probably with bottom pair or missed FD.

    Now, to the hand. Villain shouldn't have any Aces in his range here, they won't hit the board often enough to pay him off, and even if they hit the board he will only get paid off if I have a weaker ace. PPs also shouldn't be in his range, he should jam those as well as any Ax. When he jams the flop villain represents very wide range of hands, from 7x, 8x, to flush draws, straight draws, even gutshots, and ofc air (broadways like QJ, QT).
    Still not entirely sure if my call was to marginal in this spot, but I made hero call anyways, since i had some outs vs made hands.


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 7 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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    BB (t325)
    Hero (SB) (t675)

    Hero's M: 15.00

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, 9
    Hero bets t60, BB calls t30

    Flop: (t120) 7, 8, A (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t265 (All-In), Hero calls t205

    Turn: (t650) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: (t650) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: t650

    Results below:
    Hero had K, 9 (one pair, sevens).
    BB had 6, 10 (one pair, sevens).
    Outcome: Hero won t650
  50. #50
    Tonight I dreamed I have made a huge post on FTR about some cool strategy I devised, and first reply beneath mine was one from bikes:"WTF FISH???!!!"
    I'm way too deep in this poker stuff.
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    Daily massacre. I fear of impending doomswitch. Or maybe I play better..............
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    Standard doomswitch, as expected. Can't complaint though, been running super hot last couple of days.

    Some really ridonkulous spots too. Villains call 3bet pre with junk, float flop with low/mid pair, make trips on turn, and I'm ofc unable to fold my toppest pair because I don't expect villain to call 3bet pot with utter junk. Lowering my expectations from now on.
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    More variance today.
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    Half a month has passed. Time for some graphlings.



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    As you can see my 15s venture started quite horrible, those guys are way more tight than 7s, and what I realized now, despite the fact that much of my downswing was caused by suckouts, I was also way too aggressive with 2nd pair type hands.

    7s still going extraordinary well. And altough I have now 100BI roll for 15s I will still linger couple of days at 7s, till I earn extra 20BI, and then take a serious shot at 15.
  56. #56
    15$ hyper players are the biggest suckout masters in universe.
  57. #57
    glgl with 15's, and how much $$$ from rakebacks do you get from hypers?
  58. #58
    If I am correct, as a Platinum star, I'd get 0.0425$ per VPP. (explained all in some previous post).
    However, I had a brainfart. After unsuccessful, short venture into 15s, where I suffered a new downswing (though pretty standard one), for some yet unexplainable reason I went to play "slightly" more expensive games. The result was ofcourse, losing half of my bankroll. Didn't have a fart like that one for about a year.

    But, it is what it is, no point in whining about it. I have imposed to myself tournament buyin limits, takes at least a day to remove it, so its pretty much a moronproof bankroll devastation prevention.

    My next steps are:
    1. Grind 3000$ more, half of it for my personal needs. Will take about a month or so (playing 7s, taking shots at 15s if I find big improvement in my game) of 8 hours playing a day.
    2. Fix leaks. Apparently, villains at 15s are more trap happy, and dominate my TP with their TP way too often.

    So, its time to close this operation, and once I reach these two goals and man up, will be back with new op, dedicated mostly to hypers...and maybe some CAP game, which I find slightly amusing.

    EDIT: Interesting, but it seems that my downswing periods occur at regular intervals of every 13 days or so. And that leads to following conclusions:
    1. I have menstrual cycle twice a month.
    2. Pokerstars is rigged twice a month.
    Will have to deduce which of those two is correct.
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    EDIT: Interesting, but it seems that my downswing periods occur at regular intervals of every 13 days or so. And that leads to following conclusions:
    1. I have menstrual cycle twice a month.
    2. Pokerstars is rigged twice a month.
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