Wanting some help with my bankroll please!

[Aztec]

I've played poker for a few years now, both live and online. I've spent a few thousand here and there as usual going bust playing out of my limits or tilting and losing it all.

I've recently got my hands on most of the popular poker books and am studying them over the next couple of weeks

I believe I keep going bust because I haven't been playing the right limits. I have tried starting with $10, $50 and $100 and I just can't keep the patients going.

I've played 1/2c 2/5c ring games and $1-$5 MTT tournaments. I just can't graps the concept of spending hours for busting out in the money for $2-10 in the MTTs and playing 20 cent pots for hours on end makes me go insane!

I want to play MTT and Cash games. The only trouble is I really can only afford around $300 to start.

What should I do? I know I can beat the higher limits and higher buy-in MTT's but I just can't afford it!

Like I said I don't want to spend 6 hours playing a $2 buy-in MTT to bust out and win $4.50.

What do you guys think?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...re-t36037.html

if you can't beat 1c/2c how can you "know" that you can beat higher games?

[helpme2win$]

sounds to me that u have the money to play just not the experience. u might want to check out some of the information in this site. if you have the time to play and concentrate on getting better this forum can help. grind grind and grind is the only way to build a bankroll no matter what stakes your in . i only play 1/2 or 2/5 ring games and low stakes mtt "s and lots of freerolls but i have a little money on lots of sites and no deposit . so gl

[BooG690]

You spent six hours in a $2 MTT and only won $4.50? I probably play in the same $2 MTT and I've won more than $4.50 while only playing a little less than three hours. What MTT are you playing?

Understandably, at first, playing for pennies sounds just as good as poking your eyeballs out with a pencil. But consider it your first test in discipline. I felt the same way you did...but then I basically said to myself, "I have to earn the right to play 5NL." So I owned 2NL and went on to 5NL. I began to look at pots at big blinds and my win/losses as buy-ins (you should also be looking at them this way too). Use this time to study the game. Read a book and some articles and you'll be way ahead of 95% of the 2NL fish. I also began thinking 2NL was brutal...but we all have to start somewhere. If you're serious about this, you'd be more than willing to play 2NL to create a bankroll and move up in limits.

Start out depositing $40-$50 and begin the grind. Read a book or two and pay a lot of attention to the things said in this forum. All that helped grind my way into 10NL. Good luck buddy!

[Aztec]

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

you can beat it for 100 hands? 1000 hands?
that's not "beating" it

play 10,000 hands of 0.01/0.02 and post how much you've won

[arkalore]

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

From the years I have spent playing, the patience factor is the same for all games and limits.

Keep going at the lower limits until you can control it. It my seem like a waste of time at 1/2c ring games but there are other benefits you are getting by sticking with it.

[Aztec]

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

you can beat it for 100 hands? 1000 hands?
that's not "beating" it

play 10,000 hands of 0.01/0.02 and post how much you've won

I know for sure that I can beat it and in the years I've actually had the patients to play 1/2c I've cleaned up over time.

Once again I think I hav3e to work on my patients.

[sil693]

PATIENTS ITT

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

you can beat it for 100 hands? 1000 hands?
that's not "beating" it

play 10,000 hands of 0.01/0.02 and post how much you've won

I know for sure that I can beat it and in the years I've actually had the patients to play 1/2c I've cleaned up over time.

Once again I think I hav3e to work on my patients.

what's your winrate at 2NL

[Keith]

I've played poker for a few years now, both live and online. I've spent a few thousand here and there as usual going bust playing out of my limits or tilting and losing it all.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ers-t4971.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ath-t9214.html

I've recently got my hands on most of the popular poker books and am studying them over the next couple of weeks

I believe I keep going bust because I haven't been playing the right limits. I have tried starting with $10, $50 and $100 and I just can't keep the patients going.

see bankroll management above.

I've played 1/2c 2/5c ring games and $1-$5 MTT tournaments. I just can't graps the concept of spending hours for busting out in the money for $2-10 in the MTTs and playing 20 cent pots for hours on end makes me go insane!

Oh we love your type of player , you want it all and you want it now , so your strategy is crap , the way you play poker is crap ,you'll take some bad beats and take everything together out of frustration you will end up giving your money to the people who have got the patience to grind through the limits, who can accept that bad beats will happen without going on tilt.

I want to play MTT and Cash games. The only trouble is I really can only afford around $300 to start.

What should I do? I know I can beat the higher limits and higher buy-in MTT's but I just can't afford it!

Like I said I don't want to spend 6 hours playing a $2 buy-in MTT to bust out and win $4.50.

What do you guys think?

Save yourself the frustration and just transfer the money to me on stars. You say that you don't have the patience to grind it out .........well obviously that is part of your personality that you HAVE to WORK on . Deposit 50$ and play 2nl and get it up to 100$, 5NL up to 250$,then 10NL up to 700$ etc BUT always setting a stop loss where if you go through it you move back down to the next level down.

You know that you can beat the higher limits? How ? You have busted out and lost a significant sum of money trying to play poker at higher limits.You may have got lucky with cards over a short period at the higher limits ,but the results you have posted show that you can't beat the higher limits. Earn your way to those limits playing with a secure bankroll management strategy and you won't bust out, and you may start to recoup the money you have already lost.
This all may sound harsh to you , but get over it .Poker is about grinding the weak into the dirt.If you aren't mentally strong enough to put in the work at lower levels , how do you think you will survive against the people who have done the time and put in the work at the lower levels , and will still be working hard to improve their edge and their game at the higher levels.

[dutch96]

Hardest lesson I learned, I like you and many others here, play at the micro stakes with varying success. Out of curiousity, I started playing 400NL live at my local casino, there as well seeing decent sucess. Wow!! I thought I should be in the higher limit tables online.... Pluncked in $ 1000 and started playing 100NL online ( " yes I know underrolled but with the success I was having live I figured what the hell "), and yes for a short spat of about 4 months realtively succesfull, then all hell broke lose, and starting getting into a huge downswing of unexplainable ( to me at least ) losses....
Fortunately, I came across a very good online player, that wanted to coach, and had me start with $200,00 and told me to play just 10NL, and grind it to $500,00 only then could I move up a level to 25NLand progress again after reaching $1000.
Swings still happen... But the amount that you will learn at the Micro Tables is invaluable...... Seeing it happen/or playing it on a micro, that you read about in a book are great inexpensive lessons. If you want to be a great poker player, you have to be able to beat the micro's and steadily and patiently move up the ladders of poker. Poker is Patience.
And Live Play, I personally believe that anything under 500NL live is virtually a micro table online, so dont give yourself more credit of your playing skills seeing good results live. Best part, the better you get playing micro's online, you will be amazed how much more it will be amplified in your live game.

[Stacks]

I understand what your saying. I usually play $200nl, but sometimes I jump down to $2nl just for shits and giggles and to waste some time. I of course play less than my optimal game.

However, it's a bit of a different situation. The games I go down to is 100x less than my normal games. And because of this I can afford the money, and therefore, don't really care. However, you on the other hand the $2nl would be your normal stakes, and a buyin or two would be a significant portion of your roll. So you should treat it in that manner. If you have emotional problems, whereby tilt, patience, etc, and you don't even have a solid bankroll, then it wouldn't be wise to play higher until you got that under control, and also proven that you can win at those limits.

Also, this sounds quite a bit like a post asking for staking or something. That isn't going to occur here. How can we help you and your insistence on playing higher than your bankroll permits other than making your bankroll larger? Well the only help your getting is advice on how to play within your bankroll limits.*

*Just in case.

[BennyLaRue]

I just can't keep the patients going.

Do CPR, STAT!

[Vinland]

You have to put your time in I'm afraid. If you have $200-$300 then play at 5nl and beat it consistently before moving up. Don't even think you can take that roll and play 25nl.
If you searched around here long enough, you will never, ever find anyone who says that its a good idea to play with 10 BI's.

If you were playing before and busting before b/c you were playing above your limits, then you MUST lower the limits and learn the game in the micro's where your BR can handle it. If you cant pillage at 5nl, you will be sacked at 25nl.....and most here would put money on this.
It sounds like you are doing this strictly for the money (and not for the challenge, entertainment, hobby etc...) which means you will not make proper decisions at the table. Playing underrolled will make you play scared, I'm certain of that. You will miss spots where you can make money b/c you will become afraid of losing the buy-in. Losing a buyin with a proper BR is like taking a pee in the ocean...it sucks but it doesnt really hurt anything.

Take the time to read some of the beginner stickies here on BR management and why you play poker. We are all here for the money to some degree but its a long term investment, not instant return, that happens very rarely...

If you don't have the patience to play 5nl and enjoy making other players look like fools then you will not have the patience at 25nl where you are getting outplayed and losing larger percentages of your BR when you run into a set.

[dragntail]

If you're asking for a short cut to becoming a better player then I'm afraid to say I don't there is one. The only way to get better at poker, like everything in life, is to keep plugging away constructively. Also, imo part of being a good player is patience. I've noticed that a lot of major leaks have always occurred about 3 or 4 hours into a session; when I'm a bit bored, not catching much and a bit impatient in general. These forums are a great place to start though. Although I'm a new recruit at the moment, I've been lurking here for ages and 2+2 even before that. It's definitely improved my game for sure. Stick around, follow good advice, put in the hours and you'll be in higher stakes no problem

[Monsieur_chat]

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

Then you're not beating it. Patience is just another skill in your box, not something seperate from your playing ability. It's all one and the same.

You might have the game to beat 1000nl but if you're fundamentally impatient you still suck at poker and you'll still go broke.

[IncaMabel]

I think the first reply misunderstood my post.

I can beat the 1/2c it's my patients factor that gets me every time.

I beleive you know that its your Patience that probably gets the best of you! Who said Poker was not Hard Mentaly!!

Patience is a Huge part of Poker & Underated at times! , but its definetly a Skill you need! Patience is a Vertu! :P

Wish you the Best & Goodluck to you on & off the Felts.

[amir is cool]

you're much better than most poker players. i can tell.

don't follow someone elses bankroll guidelines, use what works for you.

use a 5 buyin bankroll. the reason for this is pure math. if you think about it, you have aces, youll win 85% of the time against a random hand, so with 5 buyins you're guaranteeing yourself youll never go bust, because theres a very slim chance youll lose with aces 5 times in a row.


srsly.

[BooG690]

you're much better than most poker players. i can tell.

don't follow someone elses bankroll guidelines, use what works for you.

use a 5 buyin bankroll. the reason for this is pure math. if you think about it, you have aces, youll win 85% of the time against a random hand, so with 5 buyins you're guaranteeing yourself youll never go bust, because theres a very slim chance youll lose with aces 5 times in a row.


srsly.

So your advice is to only use a 5BI rule and only go all-in with aces? And you're serious?

Aztec, I would ignore this advice. I agree with being more aggressive with a smaller bankroll...but 5 BI's is a bit TOO aggressive.

[Keith]

So your advice is to only use a 5BI rule and only go all-in with aces? And you're serious?

Aztec, I would ignore this advice. I agree with being more aggressive with a smaller bankroll...but 5 BI's is a bit TOO aggressive.

ultra aggresssive bank roll strategy ....5 buyins to move up 6 buyin stop loss.....erm i meant redeposit

[Parasurama]

GOOD LORD YOUR PATIENTS ARE WANING AND THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS POST ON A POKER FORUM? REVOKE THIS MAN'S MEDICAL LICENSE, STAT!!!

[amir is cool]

you're much better than most poker players. i can tell.

don't follow someone elses bankroll guidelines, use what works for you.

use a 5 buyin bankroll. the reason for this is pure math. if you think about it, you have aces, youll win 85% of the time against a random hand, so with 5 buyins you're guaranteeing yourself youll never go bust, because theres a very slim chance youll lose with aces 5 times in a row.


srsly.

So your advice is to only use a 5BI rule and only go all-in with aces? And you're serious?

Aztec, I would ignore this advice. I agree with being more aggressive with a smaller bankroll...but 5 BI's is a bit TOO aggressive.

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[Stacks]

I'm just going to go ahead and put this thread out of it's misery. It's getting relatively off-topic, and even when on topic there isn't much that can be said.

Some simple facts about the game.

(1) The higher up in limits you go the tougher the games get

(2) You need sufficient sample size to say you can beat a limit

(3) If you don't have the roll to play at the limits you want you have to either:
(a) deposit more
(b) win enough (either by degening at the stakes and hoping to get lucky before bustoing, or playing lower)
(c) Borrow money from others.

Well you aren't getting 'c' here, so it leaves you with 'a' or 'b'. Good luck with your choice. I suggest playing lower stakes and developing patience, or else you won't be much of a poker player in the long run anyways.