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ensign_lee
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03-16-2005, 06:49 AM
Post subject: Quad Aces
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4-of-a-Kind
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What exactly do you DO when you hit quad aces on the flop with AA in your hand?
Obviously, you raised preflop, but now there is NO chance anybody out there has an A and because you raised, they're expecting you to have an ace in your hand for the three of a kind.
I mean, you can only slowplay so far? Do you pretend to bluff?
How do you get the max value out of this?
I hit it tonight, ut didn't get paid off all that much. I tried to get people to bluff into me, since i had the supernuts, but I mean...it can only go so far when nobody is going to play.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Just let them hit something...
Do anything you can do to make someone bluff or overvalue their hands.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
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I tried to let a flush hit, but it didn't happen. Other than that?
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rapples
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This is such an unlikely scenario, why waste time worrying about it?
And if you don't consider it an unlikely scenario, can I have some of your cards, please?
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Bo G
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Flush
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Hope someone hit a set on their pocket pairs and have you on a set of A's.
You wont get paid too much unless you are very lucky to get someone to hit a good hand.
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Fortune 500
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I've actually had this happen. It was heads up, so I checked my aces on a slowplay... Hit the flop. Checked. Checked. Checked. Finally, I min bet on the river... and won the antes on a fold. The problem with that flop is if you raise preflop, your opponents generally put you on a big hand. You get that scary flop... you're probably not gonna get any action.
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whileone
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Flush
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you could try pushing all in. such a huge overbet looks like a big bluff. anybody holding an ace wouldn't play that way. maybe a guy with a pocket pair or a flush draw will call you.
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Noooooooooooooooo!!
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
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Oh. Forgot to mention. It was PL hold'em, so All in was not an option.
I did end up getting a minimal bluff on the flop. Checked through the turn. Last position put out a big bluff, and I reraised all in. I had the STONE COLD nuts...what was I going to do?
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FyrFytr998
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Like it was said. That is a scenarios you won't run into too often. And when you do. Don't look to make too much unless they hit a big hand too. Double Ace flops tend to throw the brakes up big time.
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FlyingSaucy
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Originally Posted by rapples
This is such an unlikely scenario, why waste time worrying about it?
And if you don't consider it an unlikely scenario, can I have some of your cards, please?
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All scenarios are worth thinking about because not only will you run into it eventually, but it is a good exercise of the mind. Also, this applies not just for AA, but any time you raise preflop with a pocket pair and hit quads on the flop...
I think what I would do here depends mostly on position and number of preflop callers. Most of the time you do not want to do a pure slow play. I would avoid checking if you can. If there are two to a flush on the board or flop is something like AAQ or AAJ, I would put in a small bet and hope to get called or raised. Otherwise, you might find that AAx on the flop is too damn scary against a preflop raiser when you are not holding an A, so most people will fairly easily smell a slow played trip aces. Oh well - might not be the most profitable situation, but still worth thinking about how to maximize your profit here.
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aleksandr
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In this case, when you have the unoutdrawable nuts, it's always best to conceal your hand until the river, calling small raises after much thought. Your general objective is for someone to hit a full house and therby lose their stack to you. All in all, it's hard to dig for money when everyone is running from you like the plague.
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ensign_lee
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OK. More details. Sorry I didn't put this stuff in earlier; it was 2:00 in the morning. :P
I'm the small blind. Blinds are $1 / $2
Four limpers and the BB to me. I raise to $10 with AA
Have two people follow.
Board comes two aces and and a rag; 2 clubs in play.
Better? 
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The_Cheat
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The one time I made 4 aces, brotherman was holding a king high flush (with the ace on the board) and dogpound was holding a boat with jacks. Without a doubt the most profitable hand of my life. I didnt have to do anything, besides call two pushers and break their hearts.
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Originally Posted by ensign_lee
Oh. Forgot to mention. It was PL hold'em, so All in was not an option.
I did end up getting a minimal bluff on the flop. Checked through the turn. Last position put out a big bluff, and I reraised all in. I had the STONE COLD nuts...what was I going to do?
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Why would you bet so much when there's no chance any other player even has an ace? Each player is either bluffing or has a full house. If either player is bluffing, let him continue to bluff, if either has a full house, allow him to move all-in on his own so you can calmly call with the nuts. On the river I would make a moderate-sized bet so that there is at least a marginal chance that you can win more money from a player who is bluffing. If you're raised, reraise the size of the pot and bust the player who's unfortunate enough to have a full house.
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by rapples
This is such an unlikely scenario, why waste time worrying about it?
And if you don't consider it an unlikely scenario, can I have some of your cards, please?
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yep it is so unlikely, it just happened to me this afternoon playing 2/4 limit HE.
we checked thru the flop AQA 5way, i bet the blank turn, one guy called, river was blank, i bet, and he called. the site i was on didn't let me see his muck but i'm guessing he had some Q.
why did i check the flop? because i had been folding pre-flop for literally ONE HOUR before finally waking up with AJs (which i showed down) followed by A9s (which i also showed down), almost immediately before i got the aces. everyone at the table was scared shitless of me. i had been setting myself up for a bluff based on my tight image but it totally backfired.
ChezJ
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by Fortune 500
I've actually had this happen. It was heads up, so I checked my aces on a slowplay... Hit the flop. Checked. Checked. Checked. Finally, I min bet on the river... and won the antes on a fold. The problem with that flop is if you raise preflop, your opponents generally put you on a big hand. You get that scary flop... you're probably not gonna get any action.
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if you checked pre-flop, then why didn't you bet the flop?? the whole purpose of not raising pre-flop was to make him not think you had an ace, no? i think you are totally wrong about not getting action. you just horribly misplayed it.
ChezJ
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Fortune 500
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Originally Posted by Fortune 500
I've actually had this happen. It was heads up, so I checked my aces on a slowplay... Hit the flop. Checked. Checked. Checked. Finally, I min bet on the river... and won the antes on a fold. The problem with that flop is if you raise preflop, your opponents generally put you on a big hand. You get that scary flop... you're probably not gonna get any action.
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if you checked pre-flop, then why didn't you bet the flop?? the whole purpose of not raising pre-flop was to make him not think you had an ace, no? i think you are totally wrong about not getting action. you just horribly misplayed it.
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That's a good point, actually. My opponent was moderately aggressive. I was actually trying to get him to bluff at me... but I see your point too.
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allLiving
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Try firing a small bet on the flop the moment it's your turn to act. Alot of smart players try to re-raise over the top to try and show strength and rep three of a kind even though they don't have it. This probably won't work with fish, but smart players it might work. On a two to a flush board just check it down to the river.
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