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Someone PM'd me asking the following:
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Hello,
I hope you don't mind me messaging you.
In a lot of your posts you talk about putting your opponent on a range. This is something I'm having trouble with as I constantly raise with a good starting hand, get called and always get beat.
Can you recommend any articles that would teach me how to do this with some accuracy? I had a look around but I can't find an article relating to this yet.
Specifically I'm playing 2nl NLHE.
Thanks for your time,
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I rattled off the following response but then decided to post it in a thread instead:
Hey xxxxxxxx,
This thread http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ad-t91945.html explains some basic ideas, but it's basically just applying some logic to what you know about your opponents' likely actions and what they mean. Here's an example:
Let Villain here be a tagg player who plays tight in EP, loose in LP, and c-bets a whole lot of flops, but isn't very aggressive on later streets without the goods. We'll take these reads and tendencies we know about our opponent and use them to figure out a pretty close range of hands for him after each of his actions.
Suppose we're playing microstakes NLHE 100bb deep and a tagg player opens to 4x in EP. At this point we can put him on a range of something like {AQ+, 66+} or so depending on what we know about him specifically. His range could be as narrow as {AK, 99+} or it could be as wide as {AJ+, KQ, 22+}, but it will be somewhere in that ballpark because we know he's a tagg and he will be opening a tight range in EP. For now let's go with {AJ+, KQ, 22+}.
Let's say we call his raise on the button with 65 of spades. The flop comes Qs 7c 3d and the flop pot is about 9bb after the rake. Our opponent fires a c-bet of 7bb into us. Let's figure out his range now.
This opponent likes to c-bet a lot of flops, so he will probably bet with something like all of his sets, all of his missed broadway hands, all of his top pairs, his strongest second pair JJ, and some of the weaker PP hands in his range like 22 and 44 (trying to get us to fold something like 55 or 66 or whatever). So now his range is probably something like {AJ+, KQ, JJ+, 77, 33}.
Suppose we call his bet, and the turn makes the board Qs 7c 3d 8s and we remember that we hold 6s 5s. The turn pot is 22bb or so after the rake, and our opponent checks. Now his range has changed again (ranges change after every action) so we can narrow it down some more. This Villain probably wouldn't check this turn with any top pair hand or better so that makes anything in {QQ+, AQ+, KQ, 77, 33} much less likely. He also would probably bet at least some of the time with AK and AJ if he turned the nut flush draw, so we can note that AsKs and AsJs are unlikely as well for his turn checking range. Therefore, his likely range now is something like {AJ, AK, JJ} not including AsKs/AsJs.
We'll stop there since we've gotten far enough to extract some important ideas in the process of deducing a range. First, you have to realize that later in the hand, certain hands are very unlikely because of how the previous streets played. For example, here you wouldn't expect your opponent to often have Q7 on the flop since he wouldn't have raised it preflop. For a similar example, you can't think it's particularly likely he has 88 on the turn if you don't think he c-bets it on the flop.
Second, there's often a sort of "fuzzy" factor to these ranges when you have some hands that you aren't sure he would play in a certain way. For example on the flop here, it's hard for us to know how he's going to play his second pair hands JJ-88. He's probably more likely to bet JJ than 88, but he might not bet any of them at all. There's a certain amount of guesswork involved to try to make smart estimates. Similarly, a lot of people would check QQ on this flop at least some of the time trying to slowplay top set on a super dry board to extract money from bluffs since it's super unlikely the button would hold a hand that could stand more than one street of betting. So that means on the turn we have to realize that QQ isn't going to be as likely as 77.
Third, you will need to have some understanding of how hand combinations work. This post of mine from a long time ago explains it pretty well http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...tc-t75711.html but the general idea is that on a flop of say Q73 if our opponent's range includes both AQ and 33, it's much more likely he has AQ than 33 just because of the number of ways he could be dealt the hand.
Hope this helps.
That was my response. I find it downright hilarious that out of the dozens of people I have berated for not putting their opponents on a range that this is only the second person in probably the past 4 months who has actually asked me about it.
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I find it downright hilarious that out of the dozens of people I have berated for not putting their opponents on a range that this is only the second person in probably the past 4 months who has actually asked me about it.
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 Maybe they don't dare to because they think they'll be berated again?
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I find it downright hilarious that out of the dozens of people I have berated for not putting their opponents on a range that this is only the second person in probably the past 4 months who has actually asked me about it.
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Allow me to retort.
Then they need to get a new fucking hobby. This isn't figure-skating, this is a group of people at a table trying to take every fucking penny and every ounce of worth you have on a financial and human level. If someone can't stand being berated over completely ignoring one of the most basic concepts in some endeavor then they need to get the fuck out. If someone posts a hand in here, and they have no fucking idea what they're doing, 9 times out of 10 it's going to be because they haven't put their opponents on a range. Then 90% of that 1 time out of 10 it's because the range they put their opponent on made absolutely no fucking sense. People need to get with it or get lost. I'm not going to hold someone's hand and tell them that everything will be okay and they'll make it one day just off of mashing whichever button flashes the brightest. In case anyone is wondering, I'm not going to hold anyone's dick while they take a piss either.
But on a more PR-friendly note, I can't be held responsible for someone else's fear of failure.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Fair enough, I believe in self study first and asking questions after. All that info is quite readily available on the forum and articles and there are also really good books out there that clarify a lot of the concepts (Sklansky, Professional No Limit, Let there be range and Easy game all come to mind). I still haven't read them all yet, so I may be off the spot at times or not master all the ideas involved in a play, but I am dedicating as much time as I have to learning, keeping in mind that I do not do this professionally and that I also have other hobbies.
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In case anyone is wondering, I'm not going to hold anyone's dick while they take a piss either.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Sorry, I edited my post above with I hope a more sensible reply after you saw it.
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Oh man this thread gave me this idea and I'm going to post it here for the lols.
YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKE TO BALANCE RANGES SO I PUT A RANGE IN YOUR RANGE SO YOU CAN BALANCE YOUR RANGE WHILE YOU BALANCE YOUR RANGE
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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hello mr spoon. this post is very helpful for fish like me. your hardass attitude to us fish is a healthy reminder that poker is one tough, yet rewarding motherfucker of a game, and that being average is not good enough if you want to make money. thanks.
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01-28-2010, 03:18 PM
Post subject: Re: Put Your Opponent On A Goddamn Range
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Suppose we call his bet, and the turn makes the board Qs 7c 3d 8s and we remember that we hold 6s 5s. The turn pot is 22bb or so after the rake, and our opponent checks. Now his range has changed again (ranges change after every action) so we can narrow it down some more. This Villain probably wouldn't check this turn with any top pair hand or better so that makes anything in {QQ+, AQ+, KQ, 77, 33} much less likely. He also would probably bet at least some of the time with AK and AJ if he turned the nut flush draw, so we can note that AsKs and AsJs are unlikely as well for his turn checking range. Therefore, his likely range now is something like {AJ, AK, JJ} not including AsKs/AsJs.
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I have a question regarding villains actions - specifically checking the turn. You state that villain "probably wouldn't check this turn with any top pair hand or better so that makes anything in {QQ+, AQ+, KQ, 77, 33} much less likely". At 2NL I've seen a fair few (very) tagg players betting standard amounts preflop, c-betting the flop and then choosing to C/R the turn or river with TPTK or even sets, presumably because they recognise it as an action to convey a powerful hand and to potentially squeeze more money out of the other players.
When narrowing our range after his check on the turn (in your example), can we take such possibilities into account and are there any specific reads or stats that would indicate a villain is predisposed to doing this?
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How do I put villains on a range if I don’t know how to play poker?
I think this is why most new players have a problem with ranges.
If I cbet on a board with two painted cards and get a call, how do I know to put villain on a FD (among other hands) if I don’t know how to play a hand where I have a FD?
If I open in EP with 99 and get 3bet from the btn, how do I know to include 99+ in villains range if I’ve only ever 3bet with KK+, AK because that’s what I used to think that’s all you 3bet with.
You guys that have been playing for a long time think this is common sense but it’s only common sense if this situation occurs enough to be common to you.
“This opponent likes to c-bet a lot of flops, so he will probably bet with something like all of his sets, all of his missed broadway hands, all of his top pairs, his strongest second pair JJ, and some of the weaker PP hands in his range like 22 and 44 (trying to get us to fold something like 55 or 66 or whatever). So now his range is probably something like {AJ+, KQ, JJ+, 77, 33}.”
You know this because it’s common sense to you but to someone with less experience it’s not so obvious. When I first started playing, I never cbet a flop if I didn't hit it in some way.
I guess what I'm saying is if I don't know how to play poker , how do I determine villian's range based on how he is playing if I myself don't know how to play?
I guess the better you get at playing poker, the better you get at assigning ranges because you know that certain actions or inactions indicate a change in villians range based on previous experience .
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01-28-2010, 04:23 PM
Post subject: Re: Put Your Opponent On A Goddamn Range
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When narrowing our range after his check on the turn (in your example), can we take such possibilities into account and are there any specific reads or stats that would indicate a villain is predisposed to doing this?
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Yes, and that's the entire point. If you think he's playing his range a different way (because of stats or reads or whatever) then you compensate for that.
As far as stats go, the turn check/raise % could be of use here.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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01-28-2010, 05:04 PM
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As far as stats go, the turn check/raise % could be of use here.
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What's the # of hands required at FR to make turn c/r % meaningful? 50k-ish? 
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As far as stats go, the turn check/raise % could be of use here.
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The total number of hands in your sample is irrelevant. It's the same of times your opponent had the chance to check/raise that matter.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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This isn't figure-skating, this is a group of people at a table trying to take every fucking penny and every ounce of worth you have on a financial and human level. If someone can't stand being berated over completely ignoring one of the most basic concepts in some endeavor then they need to get the fuck out
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this is oddly very motivating...
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How do I put villains on a range if I don’t know how to play poker?
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This is quite true. But the reverse is also true. Learning how to play poker better makes you estimate ranges better.
When you first start out, your ranges may be way off, because you (1) aren't watching opponents very closely, (2) don't know how to interpret their actions, (3) don't know how to interpret stats, if you even have them, and (4) don't know what different types of players usually do. That's fine, though. You still should be TRYING to put players on ranges, even if you aren't accurate. For instance, you might see an early position raiser and assume he missed a flop like 753 (unless he just had a big pocket pair). He turns out to have a set of 3's, which you didn't realize because you didn't think he would raise pocket 3's from early position. Or you see a player make a huge raise on the flop on a board with 2 spades out. A beginner might not realize that someone might do that with a flush draw and assume instead that they've run into a monster and their top pair top kicker isn't good.
As you get better at poker, your ranges get more accurate, because you realize the arguments in favor of things like raising small pocket pairs and raising flush draws on the flop. And of course, it's a positive feedback loop-- as your ranges get more accurate, you also get better at poker, which means even more accurate ranges, etc.
So I think spoon's advice is very important and that beginning players should immediately start thinking about putting players on ranges, and this is true EVEN IF THE RANGES THAT THE PLAYER COMES UP WITH ARE, AT FIRST, QUITE INACCURATE. They will get better as the player improves, but the player is only going to improve if he or she is thinking about ranges.
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How do I put villains on a range if I don’t know how to play poker?
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The same way you learn anything when you don't know anything about it. You try like hell, then you go back and review and analysis your trials. Then you try again and repeat the process.
The biggest reason someone would have this attitude is if their ego is trying to protect them from failure. There's nothing wrong with that happening, I mean that's one of the ego's natural jobs, but at some point you have to take over and commit to the learning process. Part of this committal is realizing that it's okay to make mistakes.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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This isn't figure-skating, this is a group of people at a table trying to take every fucking penny and every ounce of worth you have on a financial and human level. If someone can't stand being berated over completely ignoring one of the most basic concepts in some endeavor then they need to get the fuck out
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this is oddly very motivating... |
Here's a thought along those same lines: Taking someone's money is about the closest you can come to legally taking their life away in a card game.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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How do I put villains on a range if I don’t know how to play poker?
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The same way you learn anything when you don't know anything about it. You try like hell, then you go back and review and analysis your trials. Then you try again and repeat the process.
The biggest reason someone would have this attitude is if their ego is trying to protect them from failure. There's nothing wrong with that happening, I mean that's one of the ego's natural jobs, but at some point you have to take over and commit to the learning process. Part of this committal is realizing that it's okay to make mistakes. |
This.
I think the best players in the game are, for the most part, the only ones who don't think they are the best players in the world. And that makes them able to become better because they are more willing to exercise self-examination and push themselves to improve.
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The same way you learn anything when you don't know anything about it. You try like hell, then you go back and review and analysis your trials. Then you try again and repeat the process. |
This is the key to improving, imo. Trying ranges at the table, trying ranges in threads on FTR, trying ranges in IRC, trying to put ppl on ranges in the coffee shop - just trying every freakin' time try to put ppl on a range. See how it works out. When you nail it, review what you did well. When you screw it up, try to isolate where you got lost in the hand. Just keep trying.
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What I'm finding difficult at the moment is choosing a starting range preflop. Because I'm playing 2NL it seems people will call your raise with Ax, Kx and some starting hands that are just plain retarded. I generally sit out for a couple of orbits when I first join a table to see what people are calling with but that's what I'm having trouble with right now.
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What I'm finding difficult at the moment is choosing a starting range preflop. Because I'm playing 2NL it seems people will call your raise with Ax, Kx and some starting hands that are just plain retarded. I generally sit out for a couple of orbits when I first join a table to see what people are calling with but that's what I'm having trouble with right now.
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I just want to note that it's not necessary when at the table to try to put your opponent on a specific hand-for-hand range (though in your study it can be useful for reasons I won't get into here even if you're off a bit on what his true range is). If you think a guy who has stats of 47/8 is calling your raise with Ax, and you open AQ from EP and the flop comes A45r, then it's time to bet pot for two streets and shove the river. You don't have to think in terms of "Okay I think his range here is something like {22-TT,A2s+,K3s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q9o +,J9o+,T9o}," especially when the range you're dealing with is so large. That's part of what I meant in the OP about how there's a certain fuzzy factor with these ranges. The larger the ranges get, the more fuzzy they become.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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High Card
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 9
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Looool
Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
GOGO RED POWER RANGER! (My fav as a kid obviously ) |
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Sasquach991
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rat Cheer
Posts: 1,012
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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daviddem
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philippines/Saudi Arabia
Posts: 983
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Here is a picture that you can use as a gentle reminder to repeat offenders:
Do not click if you have epilepsy: you've been warned
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Virginity is like a bubble: one prick and it's all gone
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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I like this better YouTube - Super Mario Bros 3 - Beginner's Circle Edition
I wish I still had my Zelda gifs I made
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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JR9477
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Iowa
Posts: 426
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Trying to send people into shock?
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(Josh)
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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Yeah that post should probably edited to a link with a warning for people who have epilepsy (not joking).
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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grnydrowave2
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Showin' mah Pokemans
Posts: 651
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Acemonk
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Two Pair
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mz102489
Just sayin.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA I almost die laughting!!!!
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Sasquach991
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rat Cheer
Posts: 1,012
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Except that I don't think the Power Rangers were ever opponents 
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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grnydrowave2
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Showin' mah Pokemans
Posts: 651
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
Except that I don't think the Power Rangers were ever opponents |
The green ranger started out evil and took on all five of them at once. It was very exciting stuff when I was 7-8 years old.
But I digress. In the pic, I think the rangers are each putting some claymation villain on a range. They just have differing opinions.
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kickass
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: St. Shawshanks Infant School
Posts: 600
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the black ranger has a weird range in mind for villain maybe he has good reads
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PokerWang
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 81
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daviddem
Maybe they don't dare to because they think they'll be berated again? |
Good point. No one wants to ask someone they think is too good to help them.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerWang
Good point. No one wants to ask someone they think is too good to help them.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Allow me to retort.
Then they need to get a new fucking hobby. This isn't figure-skating, this is a group of people at a table trying to take every fucking penny and every ounce of worth you have on a financial and human level. If someone can't stand being berated over completely ignoring one of the most basic concepts in some endeavor then they need to get the fuck out. If someone posts a hand in here, and they have no fucking idea what they're doing, 9 times out of 10 it's going to be because they haven't put their opponents on a range. Then 90% of that 1 time out of 10 it's because the range they put their opponent on made absolutely no fucking sense. People need to get with it or get lost. I'm not going to hold someone's hand and tell them that everything will be okay and they'll make it one day just off of mashing whichever button flashes the brightest. In case anyone is wondering, I'm not going to hold anyone's dick while they take a piss either.
But on a more PR-friendly note, I can't be held responsible for someone else's fear of failure. |
See above.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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daviddem
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Philippines/Saudi Arabia
Posts: 983
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
{Reserved for Part 2}
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Birthday of this thread in two days. Time for part 2 imo.
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Virginity is like a bubble: one prick and it's all gone
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couriermike
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 375
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They put me on a range!
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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That's a stove
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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couriermike
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 375
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
That's a stove
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Isn't a stove on top of an oven a range?
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birdman417
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: US
Posts: 82
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
That's a stove
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See how Spoon is always teaching?
He is reminding use Pokerstove along with putting our opponents on ranges!
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micro2macro-And remember, ANTICIPATE your next decision. If you 3bet KTo with the intention of folding to your stupid nit retarded opponents 4bet, just muck it and be done with the hand.
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Sasquach991
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rat Cheer
Posts: 1,012
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If I remember right, when microwave ovens first came out they were called radar ranges. Maybe Harley can confirm this as he's an old fart too.
New Acronym:
PHOAROGTFO (Put Him On A Range Or Get The Fuck Out)
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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