*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[OngBonga]

Anything else we discuss on this matter is nothing more than correcting my obviously not perfect understanding of the nuances of the EU. I don't care if I'm wrong on certain points. What matters is accountability. Convince me that the EU (not an MEP) can be held to democratic account, in ways other than a once-in-a-generation in/out referendums, and I'll concede the EU is more democratic than I'm giving credit for.

If we had an in/out referendum every five years, that would be a method of holding them to account. Of course, such a regular vote on this issue is highly impractical, impossible in practice, and only serves to highlight how it doesn't work as a democracy in the same way national governments do.

[Poopadoop]

If we had an in/out referendum every five years, that would be a method of holding them to account. Of course, such a regular vote on this issue is highly impractical, impossible in practice, and only serves to highlight how it doesn't work as a democracy in the same way national governments do.

Should all member countries of the UK hold in/out referendums every five years too then? How else can they hold the UK to account? Doesn't this highlight that the UK doesn't work as a democracy?

Also, I live in Surrey. I want an in/out referendum every five years so I can hold England to account. Otherwise this isn't a proper democracy.

[OngBonga]

Should all member countries of the UK hold in/out referendums every five years too then? How else can they hold the UK to account? Doesn't this highlight that the UK doesn't work as a democracy?

Also, I live in Surrey. I want an in/out referendum every five years so I can hold England to account. Otherwise this isn't a proper democracy.

The UK population still holds the UK government to account. The EU population cannot hold the EU to account. So this analogy isn't working.

The UK union has its problems, and it does seem like Scotland needs another referendum to settle this for another generation. I'm not disputing that.

Surrey isn't a nation. Surrey doesn't have a right to self determination.

[Poopadoop]

The UK population still holds the UK government to account. The EU population cannot hold the EU to account. So this analogy isn't working.

They both vote for members of parliament. So yes it does work.

Surrey isn't a nation. Surrey doesn't have a right to self determination.

Why do you get to decide what a nation is?