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    Ok. Well even if in five years time nothing has changed, I still won't want to hand over control of our economy to a third party, even if it comes with economic benefits. So frankly we're arguing about pointless shit. You "smh" at the point that our democracy is superior, because you don't have any substance to any refutation. We vote in an accountable government. The fact the UK population fails to hold corrupt governments to account is partly a reflection of the stupidity of the UK people, and partly down to there being no viable alternative. The last Labour government were corrupt as fuck too. So if you're "smh" because British politics is in a sorry state, I guess fair enough. But the system that underpins our democracy is superior, for the simple reason those we vote in actually have control over things like the economy. MEPs from one party have no such control, so there is no accountability. You can't remove a party and change policy. This difference is so fundamental and obvious that your arguments are clearly in bad faith and simply intended to tell me I'm "wrong" to have a preference of the type of democracy we have. I'm not wrong. My opinion is not objective. Neither is yours. If you approve of this form of government, good for you, it's not for me to tell you your opinion is wrong. But don't try to tell me they are similar systems, because they are blatantly not. We don't have a President for a start. They have three. And yes we have a monarchy, which isn't democratic. That's a problem, but at least our monarchy doesn't have any actual power when it comes to running the country. They're a circus, a tourist attraction. They probably become irrelevant when Liz dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    We vote in an accountable government.
    MEPs are elected, and therefore accountable. Not sure why that doesn't register with you.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    So if you're "smh" because British politics is in a sorry state,
    No, i smh because you keep insisting the EU parliament is not democratic somehow.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    those we vote in actually have control over things like the economy.
    MEPs vote on ecomonic matters all the time.

    Serious question: Who do think actually "runs" the EU? There is a parliament of elected MEPs. There is also a council made up of the heads of member states. There are presidents who are elected or appointed. Who else do you think is behind the decisions that are made?


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    MEPs from one party have no such control, so there is no accountability. You can't remove a party and change policy.
    You can remove an MEP based on how they vote. If anything that seems easier than having to vote out an entire party to effect change.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This difference is so fundamental and obvious that your arguments are clearly in bad faith and simply intended to tell me I'm "wrong" to have a preference of the type of democracy we have. I'm not wrong. My opinion is not objective. Neither is yours.
    It's not obvious to either me or cocco. And while I hesitate to speak for him, I'm not pretending not to get it; it's just a bad argument.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    We don't have a President for a start. They have three.

    There are actually four.

    One of those presidents is elected by their fellow MEPs and runs the parliament, kind of like the Speaker of the House here.

    Two others are appointed by the council of heads of member states to deal mainly with politics and trade, respectively - How is this any different than a PM hiring an advisor like Dominic Cummings? Or the guy who's now the Brexit minister (forget his name). Hey, I never got to vote for either of them! Arrrggghgghh, it's so undemocratic!

    The last "presidency" is more like a council that discusses EU legislation. It rotates among member states every six months.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.

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