WW JK9 game thread

[OngBonga]

BLOOD

[Spacecamp]

This Oskar lynch is acceptable.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Thread is locked.

oskar has been lynched with 4 votes.
Role reveal and final VC coming soon.

[MadMojoMonkey]

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***** Final Vote Count D1 *****
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on the block | # votes | who voted (in what post)

oskar | 4 | JV (288), Benny (296), Luco (297), ong (298)

ong | 2 | monstrman (192), Poop (232)
Luco | 1 | baudib (133)
Benny | 1 | oskar (139)
monstrman | 1 | spacecamp (175)


oskar is dead. He was a Vanilla Villager.



Our remaining players:
1 baudib
2 Benny
3 JV
4 Luco
5 monstrman
6 ong
7 Poop
8 Spacecamp


Village PR's, please send me a PM with your targets before the start of D2.

[baudib]

Monstr you're kinda freaking me out. It's a little early for AtEs.

[MadMojoMonkey]

SOD may come a little late. My work schedule changed this week.
Thanks for your patience.


FYI, this is going to be an every Monday thing, so all the SOD's may come in a bit late.
I'll do my best.

[MadMojoMonkey]

False alarm.
D2 begins on schedule, in ~20 minutes.

[MadMojoMonkey]

As the morning rises on the village, you find a victim of wolf attack.


BennyLaRue is dead. He was the Village Tracker.



Our remaining players:
1 baudib
2 JV
3 Luco
4 monstrman
5 ong
6 Poop
7 Spacecamp



Just in case it needs to be said for the new players:
DO NOT POST IN THE GAME THREAD IF YOU ARE DEAD.

[monstrman]

Ooooooooooof

Wolves win equity up like 30-60% now

[monstrman]

Benny was an obvious villager too

Really unfortunate

I'm still thinking ong because of his ridiculous association between me and Jack which looked like a wolf trying to swing a mislynch out of his doomed bro, but my radar hasn't been working effectively lately and I also really liked ong's post where he said he had too many villagers

Just didn't like the people he picked for who he wanted to evaluate beyond that

Baudib I could still theoretically see as a wolf, I feel like he should know by now that no matter what I'm playing or doing ww stresses me out beyond compare and so the post at EoD *almost* looked to me like theater

I still like poop, and I think spacecamp is just probably someone who always thinks I'm wolfy or something idk, I haven't got a super solid lock on the slot but my general impression is that they actually cared about the outcome of the lynch last night

I don't necessarily have a strong read on anyone else, though I may have liked one of Luco's posts about how his style got him into trouble again

[OngBonga]

I'm still thinking ong because of his ridiculous association between me and Jack which looked like a wolf trying to swing a mislynch out of his doomed bro

This is a pretty ridiculous association. I don't think you're a wolf though. I've seen comments from you that I don't expect from wolves. Any d1 "association" I made was purely speculative, based on nothing more than short term paranoia. That's all we can do on d1... speculate.


I do think Jack is, and I'm quite prepared to lynch him today.


I have in my village camp... monstr, poop, spacecamp. That means I think the wolves are in Jack, baudib and luco. I still think luco is unlikely to open with an aroo as a wolf, but he's not getting a pass for that alone. I wouldn't expect baudib to fake peek me as a wolf first post if he's a wolf, but if I'm dishing out village cred that easily, there's only one wolf.

Jack is the only one without any village cred imo, so it's a no brainer for me today.

lynch Jack

[OngBonga]

The only reason I think Jack might be a villager is a lack of fake claim yesterday with his neck on the block. But a d1 fakeclaim is terrible for a wolf, it's probably better to gamble that the village changes its mind, like we did.

Luco voted for oskar for no reason. Me and benny at least gave reasons. I'd say luco looks worse than baudib, baudib was parked on luco and didn't shift as Jack looked like getting lynched. But I'm assuming Jack is a wolf. If Jack isn't a wolf, then the wolves were in a sweet spot yesterday and that probably looks worse on baudib, who didn't need to do anything.

[monstrman]

JV | 3 | Luco (154), Benny (249), ong (263)

If JV is a wolf, do we think this is all villagers? If a player here would have bussed, would it be luco or ong?

oskar | 4 | JV (288), Benny (296), Luco (297), ong (298) The math favors one wolf being in this grouping, especially considering it was a mislynch, but the only question is do wolves around here prefer to keep their hands clean or not gaf? A quick assessment of ong's playstyle and some secondhand anecdotal experience suggests that ong, at least, would murder villagers without remorse then simply try and talk his way out of it

Luco, to me, seems like the type of wolf that would probably prefer to avoid heat, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was in his wolf range, but I already spoke of my light luco v read already. Would like someone to really confirm themselves to me as v so I can use them as a springboard for my ideas and reads because I feel like I'm far more effective that way, but I'll work with what I have. Maybe if you're a villager, ong, it will be you, but I just need a sec to step back from the thread before I make any call about my read on you. In my experience being too close to reads like this generally results in poor quality of the read, or poor trust in it. Both of which could cause problems in the future

Jack Vance I suppose could be the wolf we were about to lynch last night, it definitely felt like someone was under at least some amount of heat. Baudib, what did you make of the wagons last night? I'd like to hear your perspective because I haven't played in so long I'm pretty sure most of my metrics are rusty at the very least

[Spacecamp]

Well, with our tracker dead I can't FPS anything anymore.

Nothing from monstrman has changed my mind on him, but I think Jack bears more scutiny than Monstrman.
Vote JackVance

[baudib]

Sorry I got busy and totally missed EOD.

Jack seems like the best lynch, maybe we should have just done this yesterday. Luco's moment there was pretty pure but it could be W/W?

I'm going with Monstr and Ong as my top villagers.

[baudib]

Monstr talk to me about why you voted Ong.

[monstrman]

Monstr talk to me about why you voted Ong.

Dunno, his progression on me and Jack just seemed fake to me, in a slimy gut hard to describe kind of way

Why do you have him as your top villager?

[monstrman]

Jack and ong aren't w/w I'm pretty sure

[monstrman]

If Jack Vance is a wolf that's all well and good but what are we gonna do if he's a villager?

Cause the PoE from my perspective seems terrible in that case, and mediocre at best if jv is a wolf because his partner is ??? Anyone but ong caveat bussing

[Luco]

If the game is easy then its just jv and baudib

[baudib]

The only thing that gives me pause about Ong is he isn't pushing me yet.

Otherwise he just feels like a villager. He's pretty chill.

[OngBonga]

Don't worry baudib, it's coming. I'm pretty much 50-50 between you and luco. I'll find it easier to believe luco is a wolf if Jack is, for the simple reason luco was involved in the mislynch while you sat on luco. But if jack isn't a wolf, then surely you are.


If monstr knew me better then I'd be suspicious of him for being 50-50 about me, but I doubt he knows that I have a long record of bussing wolf buddies. I deserve absolutely no village cred if Jack is a wolf, I know that, even if I also know that I probably wouldn't throw shit at him in this game so early. But Jack wasn't bussed, because he didn't die. Jack was saved. If Jack is a wolf, then good chance that either me or luco are a wolf. It would be perfect for the wolves if three villagers saved his ass.

If Jack is a villager, I think we're screwed. I'd expect him to get lynched today, and me tomorrow, which would suck, since I've never been the final mislynch for the wolf win.

Dunno, his progression on me and Jack just seemed fake to me

I had to go back through my posts to see what you're talking about here. I said one post you made was wolfy, then then next post I made I said you weren't wolfy. That's pretty much my entire direct interaction with you yesterday.

I'll even explain my posts in question...

This is a really wolfy post. Well done.

First and only time I say you're wolfy. That was because you had the attitude that anyone who misinterprets you is usually a wolf. I find it very hard to believe that a seasoned player really thinks that. When I'm a villager, such as this game, my tone is regularly misinterpreted. I don't think it's wolfy for someone to take my comments the wrong way.

This isn't very wolfy if jack is a wolf. Seems silly to cast shade on your wolf bro when he's the lead wagon, especially in such a wishy-washy way.

And then I climb down quickly, because you're throwing shit at my my main wolf read at a time when he's in trouble. This would be quite reckless if he is actually a wolf with you.

So I'm not sure why you're talking about my "progression" on you. I've hardly mentioned you.

[Luco]

I have a poe of 4. If I can get that down to 3 and post myself clear today we're in good shape

[Luco]

Sorry ong I'm on mobile:

- If Jack is a villager, I think we're screwed. I'd expect him to get lynched today, and me tomorrow...

Why jv then you?

[OngBonga]

I have a poe of 4. If I can get that down to 3 and post myself clear today we're in good shape

Weird post. If I was near certain who the wolves are, that's only half the job. The other half is convincing everyone else that I'm a villager and that I'm right. I feel like luco is trying to find things to talk about. Why would he think we're in good shape if he poe's to 3? Does he think we're going to follow him?

[OngBonga]

Sorry ong I'm on mobile:

- If Jack is a villager, I think we're screwed. I'd expect him to get lynched today, and me tomorrow...

Why jv then you?

Because I'll look terrible. I'd have shifted my vote from one villager to another at end of d1, and then come straight out of the blocks on d2 voting for another villager. I said yesterday I didn't want to lynch Jack on d1, then nearly did exactly that. I'll have to work hard to avoid lynch if Jack gets lynched today and turns out to be a villager.

[OngBonga]

I'm off to work.

Yes, really.

rescind

I don't want to come home to see Jack has been speed lynched. I'll very probably vote for him again later.

[Luco]

Weird post. If I was near certain who the wolves are, that's only half the job. The other half is convincing everyone else that I'm a villager and that I'm right. I feel like luco is trying to find things to talk about. Why would he think we're in good shape if he poe's to 3? Does he think we're going to follow him?

Did you miss the part where I said 'and post myself clear'?

[Luco]

It's good that you're so engaged and game solvey ong but some off your reactions to posts feel off

[Luco]

I mentally have several reasons that could account for this (most notably that its been years), but you aren't the villager ong I remember

I'm in a similar spot with jv, and that's more worrisome as he used to be one of my easiest V reads back when we played regularly.

Eh, let's see what the day brings

[monstrman]

The day brings a wealth of suffering for all who dare set foot in this desecrated land

/edge

[Spacecamp]

Sorry I got busy and totally missed EOD.

Jack seems like the best lynch, maybe we should have just done this yesterday. Luco's moment there was pretty pure but it could be W/W?

I'm going with Monstr and Ong as my top villagers.

Would you like to explain why you posted 20 minutes after EOD?

My POE
Jack
Baudib
Monstrman

[jackvance]

Damn Benny is a loss. Oskar is unfortunate but there was always a chance the inactive would be a villager.

So now we are D2 and 5 hours after the day started I already had 2 votes placed on me, with 4 needed to lynch. Is that to encourage a speed lynch and make sure the day ends with little to no information or what? Suspicious but could just be a knee-jerk reaction as well.

The only one I am fairly sure is a villager is Luco. His posts seem the most genuine. Monstrman maybe as well.

My main suspicion is spacecamp, came in as a sub (why? because we can't have an inactive wolf?) trying to skate by copying the outspoken opinions of other people without much reasoning, weird bandwagoning. Ong has been on my case literally since the game started (he bolded me and hasn't let up) and is suspicious to me. He has rescinded my bold now, probably realized how it looked? I had ong in the villager camp in the beginning but some erratic moves like bolding Luco have changed my mind.

Baudib is also a potential wolf as I see others have pointed out, mainly for being evasive. He's either not really into the game or has something to hide. Poop has been pretty absent so far as well.

[jackvance]

It's time he starts opening up instead of talking on his high horse.

[b]lynch spacecamp[/p]

[jackvance]

lynch spacecamp

[Spacecamp]

Damn Benny is a loss. Oskar is unfortunate but there was always a chance the inactive would be a villager.

So now we are D2 and 5 hours after the day started I already had 2 votes placed on me, with 4 needed to lynch. Is that to encourage a speed lynch and make sure the day ends with little to no information or what? Suspicious but could just be a knee-jerk reaction as well.

The only one I am fairly sure is a villager is Luco. His posts seem the most genuine. Monstrman maybe as well.

My main suspicion is spacecamp, came in as a sub (why? because we can't have an inactive wolf?) trying to skate by copying the outspoken opinions of other people without much reasoning, weird bandwagoning. Ong has been on my case literally since the game started (he bolded me and hasn't let up) and is suspicious to me. He has rescinded my bold now, probably realized how it looked? I had ong in the villager camp in the beginning but some erratic moves like bolding Luco have changed my mind.

Baudib is also a potential wolf as I see others have pointed out, mainly for being evasive. He's either not really into the game or has something to hide. Poop has been pretty absent so far as well.

It's time he starts opening up instead of talking on his high horse.

[b]lynch spacecamp[/p]

lynch spacecamp

This seems like a SUPER easy vote when you take into account that I am limited in my number of posts per day, which I assume everyone has seen by now.

I'd like Jack to point out "talking on my high horse" as well, because I'm honestly blind to it, if it even exists.

I'm reading this vote for me more as desperation than OMGUS or real suspicion, and this desperation doesn't look very towny right now.

[OngBonga]

I think it's Jack and luco but I'm not as confident about luco.

There's an interesting timing tell on luco, too. Note how he makes three posts aimed at me, but they aren't all quickfire posts as he spews his thoughts. There's ten minutes between the first and second posts, and then another twenty minutes until the third. Maybe this was time spent talking in the den? I often spew a string of posts, but usually they are close together, especially if the subject remains the same.

Jack seems incredibly insincere. The problem with Jack is that he is naturally wolfy, but I don't remember him ever being quite this wolfy. I have no idea how he only has luco as a villager. That's kind of telling. Wolves want to be "suspicious" of everyone, it's keeping options open. In my ideal villager world, I want to be suspicious of as few people as possible.

[Luco]

Damn you really are reaching for any reason to find me wolfy ong LOL

[Luco]

I'll make another post about it in 20 mins after I've heard back from the den

[OngBonga]

Damn you really are reaching for any reason to find me wolfy ong LOL

This is an insincere response. You know full well that I reach hard to find wolves. All you're doing here is casually throwing shit at me without any actual substance.

[Luco]

This is an insincere response. You know full well that I reach hard to find wolves. All you're doing here is casually throwing shit at me without any actual substance.

I didn't know how much I missed butting heads with you ong.

[OngBonga]

This seems like a SUPER easy vote when you take into account that I am limited in my number of posts per day, which I assume everyone has seen by now.

I have to say I don't like this. Spacecamp can't seriously expect to hide behind his post limit. Of course, it does excuse him from posting expectations, and I can understand him as either alignment being more brutal with his vote (like nailing someone at deadline). He doesn't have the luxury of throwing casual votes around to put pressure on people. Fair enough. But what his post limit doesn't do is protect him from being voted for, or protected from being accused of being a wolf.

If it wasn't for the fact he was arguing with Jack here, I'd go as far as to call it wolfy.

[OngBonga]

It could be luco and spacecamp.

Why didn't luco pick up on that comment of spacecamp's?

[Luco]

It could be luco and spacecamp.

Why didn't luco pick up on that comment of spacecamp's?

I don't know what to make of spacecamps posts today.

For that particular exchange, I read it as JV pressuring him to open up, and him responding by saying he's post limited. In that context its not really noteworthy

[monstrman]

The thing that bugs me about Spacecamp is that they don't seem to be reassessing anything

I changed my mind on you, Ong, if you're a wolf I'm willing to lose to this performance

[Luco]

Yeah I think I've caught something on this page that is a villager ong progression, not a wolf one

[OngBonga]

monstr doesn't know better.

luco does.

[jackvance]

Ong sounds villagery when he talks a lot, like on D1, but then does suspicious things. I'm not worried about him though, he shares his reasoning and interacts with everyone which is how you end up solving the game. If he is forced to do this as a wolf to 'balance his villager game' then that makes it harder for him to win as a wolf.

[jackvance]

I don't know what to make of spacecamps posts today.

For that particular exchange, I read it as JV pressuring him to open up, and him responding by saying he's post limited. In that context its not really noteworthy

The thing is, the post limited restriction is a point he has to make and it's totally fair. But an in-game day consists of several real life days. I don't think baudib and poop even make ten posts added up per day. And I mentioned them on purpose because those two still haven't checked in.

[jackvance]

Sorry baudib has actually posted. It must be the lack of content that confused me.

Would you like to explain why you posted 20 minutes after EOD?

He is a mod so he can post when the thread is closed. It's a shitty thing to do so I assume it's not on purpose. We've seen it before in the past as there's usually several mods playing.

[OngBonga]

1 baudib - has played on other sites
2 JV - not to my knowledge
3 Luco - has played on other sites
4 monstrman - has played on other sites
5 ong - has played on other sites
6 Poop - first game ever
7 Spacecamp - has played on other sites

poop gets a pass, he hasn't posted yet and wouldn't know it was unusual, but jack...

Why hasn't jack asked what the tracker is? I don't think we've ever used one here at FTR.

[jackvance]

Reaching at straws to throw suspicion on me now? It's in the link of the first post in this thread.

Town Tracker

• Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Tracker.

Abilities:

• Each night phase, you may choose a player in the game to track. You will see who they target (if anybody).

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

[Spacecamp]

1 baudib - has played on other sites
2 JV - not to my knowledge
3 Luco - has played on other sites
4 monstrman - has played on other sites
5 ong - has played on other sites
6 Poop - first game ever
7 Spacecamp - has played on other sites

poop gets a pass, he hasn't posted yet and wouldn't know it was unusual, but jack...

Why hasn't jack asked what the tracker is? I don't think we've ever used one here at FTR.

Reaching at straws to throw suspicion on me now? It's in the link of the first post in this thread.

Town Tracker

• Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Tracker.

Abilities:

• Each night phase, you may choose a player in the game to track. You will see who they target (if anybody).

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

OK, now I think there is definitely a wolf between Jack and Ong.

Ong's latest is pretty YIKES, but doesn't negate jacks previous presence.

But then there's also Monstrman:

The thing that bugs me about Spacecamp is that they don't seem to be reassessing anything

I changed my mind on you, Ong, if you're a wolf I'm willing to lose to this performance

"spacecamp hasn't reassessed anything, so people look at me, since I've reassessed things!"

Like, really bro?

[monstrman]

lynch Spacecamp

[OngBonga]

Oh, mojo linked the set up in the 1st post. Haha.

Yeah I'll withdraw that argument.

[OngBonga]

I suspected we had a JK after I saw the tracker.

[OngBonga]

OK, now I think there is definitely a wolf between Jack and Ong.

This is quite possibly the wolfiest comment in the thread, and has me thinking I'm wrong about Jack.

[OngBonga]

Ong's latest is pretty YIKES, but doesn't negate jacks previous presence.

I assume you mean by YIKES, you mean wolfy. So... why is my post wolfy?

[Poopadoop]

poop gets a pass, he hasn't posted yet and wouldn't know it was unusual

Poop also has a job, and a life outside of this game and that's why he doesn't post 24/7. What is this day, 6h old now? sheesh.

I posted a lot on d1. saying i've been quiet is fos.

Also, Poop is on a trip to Canada to get away from cricket and can someone please tell him what time zone Mojo is using so I know when d2 ends? thx.

And at the risk of looking wolfy, there may be other times when visiting my friends and family take precedence over WW. So if I'm away for a 24h stretch here or there then I apologize in advance it's probably because of the above.

[OngBonga]

OK, now I think there is definitely a wolf between Jack and Ong.

If spacecamp is a wolf, this pretty much clears both me and jack. I'd even say monstr is cleared.

So then we're looking at luco, baudib, poop. And I've not seen anything from poop which looks remotely wolfy.

Poop needs to get in here. I just made a twat post, why isn't he mocking me?

[OngBonga]

haha sup poop

[OngBonga]

I posted a lot on d1. saying i've been quiet is fos.

Calm your tits, I wasn't having a go.

[Poopadoop]

Calm your tits, I wasn't having a go.

It was the other guy who kept saying I was quiet...

[Luco]

I suspected we had a JK after I saw the tracker.

I'm giving you a villager point for this even though I know I shouldn't

[OngBonga]

The best thing is, I can say that as wolf, vanilla and JK.

[Poopadoop]

Also shouldn't a mod be able to lift the restriction on # posts/day so spacecamp can post as often as he likes?

[Luco]

Also shouldn't a mod be able to lift the restriction on # posts/day so spacecamp can post as often as he likes?

Not the way it's coded in.

We had an anonymous game on here a while back and everyone had to deal with the post restrictions

[Poopadoop]

I really struggle to interpret the mind games people are playing with each other, since I don't know most of you. That said, I already walked ong into a trap like a spider with a fly, and still think he's a wofl.

So, who wants to speak directly to me and convince me that if it isn't Ong getting on the block, that I shouldn't vote baud next time?

[Poopadoop]

Not the way it's coded in.

We had an anonymous game on here a while back and everyone had to deal with the post restrictions

Ah, ok got it.

[OngBonga]

Also shouldn't a mod be able to lift the restriction on # posts/day so spacecamp can post as often as he likes?

I don't think so, I can't do it from his profile page. Mojo knows his way around the mod console better than I do, so if it was possible I'd have thought he'd have done it.

[OngBonga]

Do you know what I think?

lynch spacecamp

[OngBonga]

L-1

[Poopadoop]

L-1

Is that the score in the cricket match or does it mean something here?

[OngBonga]

It means one from lynch

[Poopadoop]

Who, spaceman?