WW JK9 game thread

[OngBonga]

Spacecamp is 100% a wolf.

It's against the rules to post any private correspondence from the mod, but it's not against the rules to post publicly available information, such as the role descriptions in the link that mojo provided.

Whatever my role (vanilla, JK, wolf) my role pm was a carbon copy of the role pm in the wiki page that mojo linked. I therefore assume everyone's is.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Jailkeeper.


Abilities: Each night phase, you may target one player in the game, whom you will protect from the nightkill and roleblock simultaneously.

Win condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated

There is absolutely nothing here about consecutive nights. If spacecamp is the JK and is concerned about that, he should send a private message to mojo for clarification. Standard.

[OngBonga]

haha

[OngBonga]

I've seen horrendous claims that turned out legit and so have you

Sure I have. But this isn't one of them. It's horrendous, but not legit.

It's weird that you were asking me for strategy advice earlier regarding a cc (which would also be a horrendous mistake), and now you're telling me my strategy is shit. Maybe you don't like it because you know it's a losing strategy for you. Or maybe you just think that blindly lynching out of you and baudib solves the problem when actually it doesn't.

If we lynch a villager today, we will need a cc to kill spacecamp. But let's assume spacecamp is the JK... a cc tomorrow could come from a wolf who wants to lynch the village JK for the win.

I suspect that's why you don't want spacecamp lynched today. Keeping him alive is your only out.

[baudib]

Lynch spacecamp

Think it's still Jack but Luco/Poop possible I think.

[Luco]

Lynch spacecamp

Think it's still Jack but Luco/Poop possible I think.

Talk to me about poop

[baudib]

Rand JK between Ong and a wolf read obviously. If there's no kill the wolf is outed.

[OngBonga]

Rand JK between Ong and a wolf read obviously. If there's no kill the wolf is outed.

Nope. Let's say there's no kill, the JK claims and says I was jailed. Am I the wolf? Or am I the wolf target? Villagers don't know, I'm now 50-50.

Actually I would be obviously the wolf target, since knowing I'm a potential target for JK, I'd delegate the kill. So ok, maybe this is ok. But if there's no kill, it clears me, rather than nails me.

[baudib]

Nope. Let's say there's no kill, the JK claims and says I was jailed. Am I the wolf? Or am I the wolf target? Villagers don't know, I'm now 50-50.

Actually I would be obviously the wolf target, since knowing I'm a potential target for JK, I'd delegate the kill. So ok, maybe this is ok. But if there's no kill, it clears me, rather than nails me.

I'm just saying this for WIFOM Ong don't worry.

[jackvance]

I'm not against a spacecamp lynch but I want to look a bit more at what he said and the circumstances. So his monstrman jailing was not to protect a potential target but to roleblock a potential wolf. In the games I played this never occurred (a lynch was by the wolf team not by an individual wolf) but reading the Mafia rules this seems to be plausible, so fair enough.

Another thing is, we already had a train on spacecamp, which fizzled on L-1. I'm thinking back on some games with rilla and gator and the gang when this happened, and I think it's somewhat more likely to be on a wolf target.

[baudib]

I'm not against a spacecamp lynch but I want to look a bit more at what he said and the circumstances. So his monstrman jailing was not to protect a potential target but to roleblock a potential wolf. In the games I played this never occurred (a lynch was by the wolf team not by an individual wolf) but reading the Mafia rules this seems to be plausible, so fair enough.

Another thing is, we already had a train on spacecamp, which fizzled on L-1. I'm thinking back on some games with rilla and gator and the gang when this happened, and I think it's somewhat more likely to be on a wolf target.

"I'm not against lynching my wolfbro but I wanna pretend to do other stuff right now."

[jackvance]

"I'm not against lynching my wolfbro but I wanna pretend to do other stuff right now."

We are not even halfway D1, saying I should be in a rush to act is not a persuasive argument.

[jackvance]

And I know your angle, and if I am reading Ong's posts correctly I think he does too (based on some allusions he made), but it's not a given.

I'd like to hear from monstrman since apparently he has played with spacecamp before.

[OngBonga]

The tracker immediately implies that the wolves have to nominate a wolf to action the kill.

[jackvance]

Monstrman said this:

This seems like an interesting votecount


The math favors one of those five players being a wolf based on me completely guessing so

+

I lost all my reasoning to lynch dwarfman and have 0 read on spacecamp


Life is bad man


I don't really want to lynch anyone else on the count tho

To which spacecamp responds

So, you wanna vote someone you have a zero read on?


Yet you also think that "one of the five" is a wolf?


Rescind Jack
Vote Monstrman

So basically he found monstrman suspicious because monstrman voted for the one he subbed in for. Ehhh ok. But then later on spacecamp says he likes both my lynch and oskar's lynch. And now his only mention of monstrman is saying they played a game together.

[OngBonga]

I think I'd just forgotten how naturally wolfy jack is. I don't think he's a wolf.

Ong is probably too active to be a wolf. Monstrman and Luco leaning slightly villagery. Need the silent people to come out and play.


lynch dwarfman3

This was a quick climbdown from monstr and onto dwarfman. Why would jack try to hang his wolfbro before he's even posted? Yes, village cred. So it's not a lock, but for him to be a wolf, he's identified a target (monstr) then quickly changed his mind to kill his bro, rather than wait to see if he turns up or gets replaced.

Five years of sending ten+ emails a day and receiving hundreds working in a multinational. So if you think my tone is a tell, that's just occupational deformation.

This could well be true. Jack just doesn't talk and behave like I expect a villager to. That doesn't mean he's not a villager. I'd expect a villager to defend himself more vigorously against sustained attacks, but Jack doesn't. I think I just suck at reading him, and so does everyone else.

lynch spacecamp

Jack's first and only vote today.

OK, now I think there is definitely a wolf between Jack and Ong.

This was the point I really began to think I was misreading Jack. This was what made me think spacecamp is a wolf. He seized upon two villagers going at each other, classic wolf tactic. If he hadn't have said "definitely" I wouldn't be a suspicious, but it sets him up to attack both of us over the next two days, lynching either.

rescind

After claim, nothing to see here.

Wait a second spacecamp bolded monstman on D1, but then at night he protected him??

I don't think this is worthy of note either way. Last game, boog (my wolf bro) fucked up his claim and I seized upon it immediately. So I don't give village cred for this.

I'd be very surprised if Jack is spacecamp's buddy. It's much easier to believe that Jack is just a hard-to-read villager.

[monstrman]

Pretty sure the play is to lynch outside of spacecamp/ong and into baudib/luco because we nail one wolf every time unless poop is the god of first time wolfing

Jack Vance dunno, have some strange feeling he's villager I can't explain

Nothing from Baudib convinces me and like, let's lynch spacecamp because he jk'd monstrman is a really weird angle to take

Feel like village baudib would be running percentages here

[Poopadoop]

Ong, you've always been impressed by me. Just fess up.

Someone, please tell me wtf a cc is? It's not on the wiki.

[MadMojoMonkey]

CC = Counter Claim

As in, if the first player is claiming a unique role, and another person claims the same role, then that's counter to the first claim.

[Spacecamp]

Pretty sure the play is to lynch outside of spacecamp/ong and into baudib/luco because we nail one wolf every time unless poop is the god of first time wolfing

Jack Vance dunno, have some strange feeling he's villager I can't explain

Nothing from Baudib convinces me and like, let's lynch spacecamp because he jk'd monstrman is a really weird angle to take

Feel like village baudib would be running percentages here

lynch Baudib

And I don't think it's monsterman either.

Not poop, not monsterman, and I said not luco either. But... I think I might have dismissed Luco too quickly. Let me read jack first, because I REALLY don't think it's Ong.

[monstrman]

Counterclaim

Someone else is the real jk and spacecamp would be lying if someone counterclaimed

[Poopadoop]

Counterclaim

Someone else is the real jk and spacecamp would be lying if someone counterclaimed

Don't you mean ONE of them would be lying?

[monstrman]

Don't you mean ONE of them would be lying?

Much more likely for a counterclaim to be true than not but yeah, rarely it would be the other person

[Poopadoop]

Much more likely for a counterclaim to be true than not but yeah, rarely it would be the other person

So basically if two claim a PR role they're both going to get it.

But if only one claims then shouldn't the wolves eat him next?

[MadMojoMonkey]

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***** Vote Count *****
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on the block | # votes | who voted (in what post)

Spacecamp | 2 | ong (444), baudib (458)

baudib | 1 | monstrman
ong | 1 | Spacecamp

[monstrman]

Wolves don't like trading the 1 for 1 even for the prs

Easier to win with 2 live, even if the lynch on the pr is nice

[baudib]

Monstr don't be dense please.

Kill Spacecamp then Jack, gg. Jack is using TMI to act like he has doubt for some reason.

It's like 80% Jack then 15% Luco/5% Poop.

[Luco]

Feel like village baudib would be running percentages here

It's like 80% Jack then 15% Luco/5% Poop.

ha ha ha

[baudib]

If it gets to F3 and one of Ong/Monstr are still alive then the villagers need to lynch them or strongly consider it. They should never make it though, just remember this in case it gets there.

[Poopadoop]

If it gets to F3 and one of Ong/Monstr are still alive then the villagers need to lynch them or strongly consider it. They should never make it though, just remember this in case it gets there.

Your chain of reasoning seems inexact.

What is making you suspicious exactly?

[baudib]

Your chain of reasoning seems inexact.

What is making you suspicious exactly?

I'm wrong I thought there was 8 people left. One of them should be alive actually.

I'm not sure if NO LYNCH is allowed in this game but definitely do it if it gets to an F4 situation.

[monstrman]

I kinda doubt this game makes it to f3 in most circumstances

Feel like if ong is a villager game is locked won rn ngl

[baudib]

Monstr tell me who the wolves are.

[OngBonga]

Oh I was on spacecamp, not luco.

rescind spacecamp

I'm happy to lynch spacecamp or baudib. I'm out again today so I'll vote later.

[OngBonga]

I'm wrong I thought there was 8 people left. One of them should be alive actually.

This is wolfy too. I mean, it looks to me like he's pretending to not know how many are left to play dumb.

Seasoned ww players should know there will be an odd number of people remaining, unless there's a blocked kill.

[OngBonga]

baudib is desperately trying to keep lynches on the table from the ong monstr jack group. That's wolfy as hell, if the wolves are indeed spacecamp and one of luco/baudib then they know they've probably lost and need a miracle. baudib isn't behaving like a villager who thinks we're in good shape.

rescind luco

poop, a counterclaim is when someone claims a role that's already been claimed. JK has been claimed, so if anyone else claims JK, that's a cc. There's only one JK, so if someone else makes the claim, one of them is lying.

[baudib]

Ong I'm going to give you credit for not being a dumbass and being able to read between the lines. I'll give you this credit for two more days and then I'll assume you're just a dumbass.

[OngBonga]

Ong I'm going to give you credit for not being a dumbass and being able to read between the lines. I'll give you this credit for two more days and then I'll assume you're just a dumbass.

I'm both genius and dumbass. Calling me a dumbass isn't going to bother me because I am one.

That said, your willingness to keep everyone on the table remains wolfy, especially given you share my view that spacecamp is basically one notch down from confirmed wolf.

[Spacecamp]

rescind Ong

I'm not sure where my vote is going to go before the end of the day, but I'm most suspecting baudib. Everything I live-read looks bad, but I haven't done a deep dive to investigating anyone yet.

For the moment, I trust poop and have little trust for anyone else right now. If I start to trust Monstr, that leads me to beleive that Ong is also a villager.

I don't have a read, good or bad, on luco.

Jack also looks bad, but "jack is always this wolfy" from ong has me second guessing that.

[Spacecamp]

A village JK, saying who's about to get night killed and is claiming he's making his post "count for all it's worth" is going to at least give his thoughts about everyone who remains.

That's the most 100% wolf post I've ever seen without someone actually howling (like I did on another site when I posted den talk in the main thread).

rescind Ong

I'm not sure where my vote is going to go before the end of the day, but I'm most suspecting baudib. Everything I live-read looks bad, but I haven't done a deep dive to investigating anyone yet.

For the moment, I trust poop and have little trust for anyone else right now. If I start to trust Monstr, that leads me to beleive that Ong is also a villager.

I don't have a read, good or bad, on luco.

Jack also looks bad, but "jack is always this wolfy" from ong has me second guessing that.

Ong, are you sure you can read?

[OngBonga]

I'll rephrase that... did you read the thread befre making what you thought could be your final post?

I mean, I would have.

[OngBonga]

If spacecamp is somehow a villager, and it's a big if, then jack is very probably a wolf, and he'll probably win. That would annoy the fuck out of me. But spacecamp being wolf means if jack is too, he was throwing spacecamp under the bus when he didn't need to. It would be more brutal than any bussing I've ever done. My bussing is always tactical, and it's always a result of the evolution of the game, never a pre planned strategy. That would be shitty, especially when there's only two wolves, and even more especially when it's someone who subbed in to replace the guy who didn't turn up. Jack isn't shitty. So if spacecamp is a wolf, no way is Jack one too. No fucking way.

[Luco]

My first reaction to any reads list is 'what did they say about meeee' but there's literally nothing for me this time

Sadface

[Luco]

I'm drunk again ama

[Spacecamp]

Possible last post for me, so I'm going to make it count for all it's worth:
Vote JackVance

I still don't know what he meant by me being on my high horse, so this where I'm possibly parking.

[OngBonga]

Possible last post for me, so I'm going to make it count for all it's worth:
Vote JackVance

I still don't know what he meant by me being on my high horse, so this where I'm possibly parking.

100% wolf

[jackvance]

I'm drunk again ama

Three glasses of pinot noir for me and I'm working on my second glass of chivas regal, what did you have?

[Luco]

Three glasses of pinot noir for me and I'm working on my second glass of chivas regal, what did you have?

Beer and brandy

[jackvance]

Beer and brandy

As a Belgian I obviously love beer but brandy? I have a bottle but it's only being used by my wife who puts it in some of the steak sauces. Can you sell me on brandy?

[Luco]

As a Belgian I obviously love beer but brandy? I have a bottle but it's only being used by my wife who puts it in some of the steak sauces. Can you sell me on brandy?

No I can't lol

I'm a whiskey man, but I inherited my grandfather's alcohol collection when he passed earlier this year and its not valuable enough to keep hold of, so I'm doing the decent thing and enjoying it one bottle at a time.

The bottle of brandy I'm currently working through is nice but it's not my usual poison

[MadMojoMonkey]

What'cha drinkin'?

[Spacecamp]

test post

[OngBonga]

A village JK, saying who's about to get night killed and is claiming he's making his post "count for all it's worth" is going to at least give his thoughts about everyone who remains.

That's the most 100% wolf post I've ever seen without someone actually howling (like I did on another site when I posted den talk in the main thread).

[OngBonga]

I forgot to delete the word "saying". God I hate not being able to edit typos.

[OngBonga]

lynch spcaecamp

[OngBonga]

STUPID TYPO

lynch spacecamp

[OngBonga]

You call that "counting for all it's worth"?

Did you read the thread before you made your final post?

[Spacecamp]

A village JK, saying who's about to get night killed and is claiming he's making his post "count for all it's worth" is going to at least give his thoughts about everyone who remains.

That's the most 100% wolf post I've ever seen without someone actually howling (like I did on another site when I posted den talk in the main thread).

You call that "counting for all it's worth"?

Did you read the thread before you made your final post?

Yes, and why are you thinking I didn't?

[OngBonga]

Yes, and why are you thinking I didn't?

You didn't quote anything that you thought was noteworthy. Your thoughts on everyone is the bare minimal. There's absolutely no evidence of analysis, or that you've put any serious thought into any of your posts since you claimed. You're playing a different game to me. For someone who claims to be a village PR, then I have to say if you actually are the village PR, your performance is shocking. You can only really be a wolf. I hope you're a wolf, not just because I want to be right, but because I'd hope you're not this bad a villager. I can forgive people for being a bad wolf, it's not easy. But as a villager, you'd at least want to be useful. You're not.

You simply have to be a wolf.

[Spacecamp]

You didn't quote anything that you thought was noteworthy. Your thoughts on everyone is the bare minimal. There's absolutely no evidence of analysis, or that you've put any serious thought into any of your posts since you claimed. You're playing a different game to me. For someone who claims to be a village PR, then I have to say if you actually are the village PR, your performance is shocking. You can only really be a wolf. I hope you're a wolf, not just because I want to be right, but because I'd hope you're not this bad a villager. I can forgive people for being a bad wolf, it's not easy. But as a villager, you'd at least want to be useful. You're not.

You simply have to be a wolf.

You are simply wrong.

I've quoted where I thought it mattered. Where I've drawn my conclusions. I've shared my thoughts.

You are barking up the wrong tree for literally nothing.
(This is 6/10)

[Poopadoop]

You didn't quote anything that you thought was noteworthy.

lol, Ong bitching about other people not reading enough into everything.

[OngBonga]

I can't see monstr hard bussing spacecamp either. I don't know monstr, I do know jack, so I can't be as certain. But I still don't think anyone here comes into this game with a pre planned strategy of bussing their buddy. I would always want to win without losing a single wolf, that's the nut result for me when I'm a wolf. Winning a 2 vs 1 endgame is next best, of course.

poop is a wildcard. I do think he's a villager, if he is a wolf he's a very good one. Do I think he's incapable of being a good wolf? No, but it would surprise me if he's this good.

luco and baudib, idk. they both seem wolfy. Strategy wise, baudib seems wolfier. He also doesn't seem to be as game solvey as I'd expect. But his tone is admittedly less wolfy than luco's. I've not liked luco since he tried to slam the brakes on the spacecamp speed lynch. That was a high info lynch if he was a wolf. Admittedly, it probably loses if he's a villager, so I can see a village motive for it, but there's also a high wolf motive.

I think the more I think this through, the more I think it's baudib. This doesn't feel like villager baudib.

[Luco]

Ong, you think I'm tonally wolfy?

[OngBonga]

Yeah, but not like Jack.

[jackvance]

Yeah, but not like Jack.

On the one hand, sure I've heard it plenty of times before that my natural tone is "wolfy" but on the other hand I feel I have to address this. I tend to make more to the point posts, where I try to clearly articulate my point and make less chatty, in-joke or whatever posts. If that makes me sound more predetermined or 'wolfy', perhaps you think I'm weighing my words to game you, for me I'm just trying to communicate clearly and get my point across. Irl I talk more like a stand up comedian, but that doesn't flow the same way in writing. And ong you've been poisoning the well against me since the game started.

Oh and I'm 80% to be a wolf with spacecamp? Sure I must have come into this game with the strategy to try everything to get my buddy wolf lynched, even when he didn't show up yet. Then when he got subbed in, I tried again! And now, just to confuse everyone, he's trying to get me lynched! This is how team wolf wins the game, right. At least I can agree with ong on one thing, Baudib's reasoning there is total shit.

Finally I have to say something about Luco because he's getting bored when we don't mention him. You're still in my more-villager-than-wolf camp. Your posts recently haven't added much value so not much to say about that. Poop is even more boring in that regard, mostly asking advice on how the game works, and making an in-joke with ong that he's amazing at it. I swear if we get beaten by this kind of low-content wolfing then that would be bad. But I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

[Poopadoop]

Poop is even more boring in that regard, mostly asking advice on how the game works, and making an in-joke with ong that he's amazing at it. I swear if we get beaten by this kind of low-content wolfing then that would be bad. But I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Oh dang I missed this. Sorry that I'm not up on all the lingo; I got invited to play so I played.

I'm trying to get a feel for this game, but when a lot of the arguments revolve around how other people played differently/same in past games it's hard to evaluate that. So I just ignore it.

[OngBonga]

I won four bottles of beer in a tombola earlier today, 50p well spent.

And ong you've been poisoning the well against me since the game started.

I thought you were a wolf. Now I don't. The only thing I'll learn from this game is to not bother trying to read you based on tone. Otherwise, I'll keep making shitty d1 reads and better d2 reads. It's not like I try to. I just make mistakes, and they're much more likely on d1.

[Luco]

50p for 4 beers is awesome

[Luco]

Damn, gg ong

[Poopadoop]

I actually think baudib is the #1 candidate to be a wolf out of all of you. Nothing he posts seems to have any substance to it. Maybe he's just bad at reasoning dunno. Also he keeps throwing shade at me where everyone else just rightly assumes I don't know what I'm doing.

Ong is still suspicious because he talks too much and I don't get why he was so eager to lynch spaceman, and he keeps trying to play forensic linguist with things that i don't see as informative.

After those two, I'd rank from wolf to villager:
Luco cause he's drunk all the time
monstrman because his avatar is a clever ploy to appear villagery and he seems a bit defensive at times
Jack I guess.
Spacecamp I guess.

Who am I missing?

Anyways, I'm going with baudib unless I hear some good reasons not to.

lynch baudib

[Poopadoop]

Here's an interesting question that no-one seems to have asked: Why was benny eaten first? Who (as a wolf obv) would have found him to be a significant threat worth taking out first?

[baudib]

Here's an interesting question that no-one seems to have asked: Why was benny eaten first? Who (as a wolf obv) would have found him to be a significant threat worth taking out first?

Probably not worth too much thought. Most likely some combination of specials hunting (he was a special) and/or SPK (strong player kill).

[OngBonga]

The benny kill only implies that there's a reg amongst the wolves. That's also probable. I'd definitely kill benny, so would baudib luco and jack. The others might.

[OngBonga]

By the way, spacecamp is twice as likely to be a wolf than the JK, from a pure mathematical pov. There's two wolves, and only one JK. A wolf is claiming JK when he thinks he's in trouble, at least when it hasn't been claimed. If spacecamp is a wolf, the other wolf is certainly not claiming JK, because then the real JK cc's and the wolves are screwed.

[Spacecamp]

I actually think baudib is the #1 candidate to be a wolf out of all of you. Nothing he posts seems to have any substance to it. Maybe he's just bad at reasoning dunno. Also he keeps throwing shade at me where everyone else just rightly assumes I don't know what I'm doing.

Ong is still suspicious because he talks too much and I don't get why he was so eager to lynch spaceman, and he keeps trying to play forensic linguist with things that i don't see as informative.

After those two, I'd rank from wolf to villager:
Luco cause he's drunk all the time
monstrman because his avatar is a clever ploy to appear villagery and he seems a bit defensive at times
Jack I guess.
Spacecamp I guess.

Who am I missing?

Anyways, I'm going with baudib unless I hear some good reasons not to.

lynch baudib

I was going to say "could be poop"

Until I found this.

[monstrman]

Mcdonalds is a clever ploy to appear villagery? I should leverage them more often in that case