Reparations

[TheSpoonald]

They don't all live on reservations getting handouts from the gov't. Plenty of them live off reservations. And they're just as fucked. Explain that.

You'll have to elaborate on a specific situation.

Most of the NA tribes in this area own casinos. And while they may not live on a formal reservation, they get a check every month. It's not directly from the government, it's from the Tribe's profit sharing. But the Tribe makes money because the government let's it have a reservation, so it's the same thing, just more convoluted. The result is the same, when you kill someone's incentive and motivation to work, it causes them to become depressed, and dispossessed, and substance abuse usually works it's way in there eventually.

[Poopadoop]

You'll have to elaborate on a specific situation.

Most of the NA tribes in this area own casinos. And while they may not live on a formal reservation, they get a check every month. It's not directly from the government, it's from the Tribe's profit sharing. But the Tribe makes money because the government let's it have a reservation, so it's the same thing, just more convoluted. The result is the same, when you kill someone's incentive and motivation to work, it causes them to become depressed, and dispossessed, and substance abuse usually works it's way in there eventually.

But the government doesn't let it have its reservation; the government still owns the land and everything that happens on it has to get government approval. You wanna open a convenience store? Needs government approval, might take years. You want to mortgage your house to get money to start a business? Too bad it's not your house.

Oh you want to build a casino that white people can go to? Sure we'll approve that, send all our degens to go to the reservation, and you can deal with them; that's one way we're happy to let you make money.

The government should either say 'ok it's your land, sink or swim' or 'it's not your land, sink or swim', not 'you live here on our land, and we'll make it impossible for you to swim'

[TheSpoonald]

But the government doesn't let it have its reservation; the government still owns the land and everything that happens on it has to get government approval.

Nope. The casino is effectively in another country for all intents and purposes. It has it's own sworn police force, it's own court, it's own post office.

[Poopadoop]

Nope. The casino is effectively in another country for all intents and purposes. It has it's own sworn police force, it's own court, it's own post office.

ehhh, i'm not up on all the details, but i'm pretty sure it's only in 'another country' as a legal exercise so as to allow gambling. The gov't still owns the land, doesn't it?

[TheSpoonald]

ehhh, i'm not up on all the details, but i'm pretty sure it's only in 'another country' as a legal exercise so as to allow gambling. The gov't still owns the land, doesn't it?

I know for sure that the Tribe owns the land. That much I'm super sure about. I had to do a project on it in college.

The gov't has some say over stuff, but I don't know what the criteria are. I suspect the gov't only has a say when something the Tribe does impacts the surrounding area. Like, I know of two casinos that are only about 7 miles apart, and in the same State. One of them has a 10,000 seat arena. The other one would cut off it's right ball to have a 10,000 seat arena. However the latter casino exists on a highway that could not handle the traffic that such a venue would bring. Hence, they aren't allowed to build an arena.

though if they gave the state the money to build a bigger highway....maybe they could get an arena. But since highways don't generate revenue, I think the payback on that project would be prohibitively long.