*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

Is it really a fact that he paid two giant black guys to play Trump supporters and act out an attack that nobody witnessed? How does that make any sense?

Nothing makes sense any more. This is what appears to have happened.

Hate crimes happen all the time against Trump supporters as will as Trump haters. The media cherry pick what they want to report on, based on their political agenda. They are absolutely unwilling to present Trump supporters as victims.

The blatant bias of the media is one reason why Trump won. His opponents are not learning from their mistakes. That alone should concern you, even if made up crimes don't.

[oskar]

You can keep me up to date if any more information comes out. Right now I don't think it's credible that anyone would be dumb enough to hire the two blackest looking black dudes to fake a racially motivated attack against another black guy with no witnesses. Here is where my bias comes in: I think Trump supporters are dumb enough to fabricate that story. I don't think anyone else would be dumb enough to act it out, but in the absence of facts I simply don't care one way or the other.

If this was a msm story, then I agree that this should never have been brought up in absence of facts, but the only way I know about this is because about 1 in 3 T_D submissions was about that case.

[oskar]

https://oversight.house.gov/news/pre...use-efforts-to
This seems slightly bigger.

[OngBonga]

I think Trump supporters are dumb enough to fabricate that story.

This is a serious flaw in your thinking. You have this crazy idea that Trump supporters = dumb, Trump haters = not dumb. The obvious truth is that there will be a wide spectrum of people on both sides of the political divide. There are dumbasses on both sides, there are geniuses on both sides.

You can't just assume that everyone who votes Trump is dumb. If you actually think that, well sorry to be blunt, but it's you who comes across as dumb.

[MadMojoMonkey]

https://oversight.house.gov/news/pre...use-efforts-to
This seems slightly bigger.

IDK anything about this, but Saudi oil will be gone in our lifetimes.
My source is my college roommate, now a Saudi engineer working in the oil fields in East Saudi Arabia.
I don't think he has any reason to make that up, and he'd be in a position to know.
When they run out of oil, they will need another power source.

IDK what kind of nuclear secrets we're talking about. It is like, civilian nuclear power plant secrets?
Or like... little red button nuclear secrets?

[OngBonga]

IDK what kind of nuclear secrets we're talking about. It is like, civilian nuclear power plant secrets?Or like... little red button nuclear secrets?

The two are hardly mutually exclusive. If you have nuclear energy, you have the potential to make nuclear weapons.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The two are hardly mutually exclusive. If you have nuclear energy, you have the potential to make nuclear weapons.

Not really, no. The differences in concentration of fissile material are significant... like years significant... like you need totally different levels and scales of nuclear enrichment that is going to be visible by satellite. Like you are not going from power plant to nuclear bomb in less than a decade, and there's going to be some really easy to notice nuclear blast testing going on during those final years.

provided someone got you up to speed on civil nuclear tech, but would not share any info at all beyond that.

It's like saying if I sell you a lawnmower, you have the potential to build a Formula 1 car. I guess you're a little closer than you were, but it's not like a slippery slope.

[OngBonga]

Well I'm hardly a nuclear expert, but I was under the impression that you could at least make a dirty bomb if you have nuclear waste. Perhaps not a sophisticated thermonuclear device, but still a nuclear weapon.

[Poopadoop]

You can't just assume that everyone who votes Trump is dumb.

True, but you don't have to assume that. You only have to assume that nearly everyone who is dumb votes Trump. And, given the dumbest people will generally come up with the dumbest fabrications, that seems to explain a lot of these kinds of stories.

[OngBonga]

You only have to assume that nearly everyone who is dumb votes Trump.

This assumption is dumb.

[Jack Sawyer]

Papa Bern is in the race.

In first 4 hours since his announcement, with only individual donations, manages to outraise every other candidate who was already running.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-...-than-4-hours/

If MONEY = SPEECH, apparently the people are speaking quite loudly


A Papa Bern/Tulsi ticket would crush anything the GOP can cook up.

[Poopadoop]

This assumption is dumb.

I would bet it's pretty close to the truth.

[oskar]

The big story about the nuclear thing is that this is supposed to go through congress. The Trump administration tried to circumvent congress and ignored ethics advisors. This is also yet another huge deal that only Trumps closest circle and a hostile foreign power know about.

Ong, I think the facts are not on your side. Qanon, mailorder bricks, Iraqi Dinar scam, border wall GoFundMe, border wall, Trump, zombi RBG conspiracy...
If you listen to Trump and you're capable of the tought "that sounds coherent and reasonable!" - you're an idiot.

[Jack Sawyer]

LOL CNN being consistent.

They do consistently hide the better presidential candidates you guys have though. Giving all sorts of platforms to the shit ones.

"Billionaires should be able to finance their yachts, and students should be able to pay back their loans"

- Amy Klobuchar, 2019

So far, CNN has had the following town halls:
1. Kamala Harris (literally hours after she announced)
2. Howard Shultz
3. Amy Klobuchar

Next up is probably Kirsten Gillebrand or Corey Booker. Perhaps probably Andrew Yang. Most likely Pete Booty though.

Warren? In April or May maybe. Tulsi? LOL. Papa Bern? Who's that?

[oskar]

The big story about the nuclear thing is that this is supposed to go through congress. The Trump administration tried to circumvent congress and ignored ethics advisors. This is yet another huge deal that only Trumps closest circle and a hostile foreign power know about.

This is a serious flaw in your thinking. You have this crazy idea that Trump supporters = dumb

I don't think the facts on your side: Qanon, mail order bricks, Iraqi Dinar scam, border wall GoFundMe, border wall, Trump, zombi RBG conspiracy...
If you listen to Trump and you're capable of the tought "that sounds coherent and reasonable!" - you're an idiot.

[oskar]

I think they announced a town hall with Bernie. Both CNN and NBC were surprisingly supportive of the Bernie nomination. Calling him a front runner - which... d'uh, but for MSM that's a startling concession.

[Jack Sawyer]

I don't think the facts on your side. Qanon, mailorder bricks, Iraqi Dinar scam, border wall GoFundMe, border wall, Trump, zombi RBG conspiracy...
If you listen to Trump and you're capable of the tought "that sounds coherent and reasonable!" - you're an idiot.

LOL I had to look up everything but the border wall

LOLOL Iraqi Dinars? WTF

[Jack Sawyer]

I think they announced a town hall with Bernie. Both CNN and NBC were surprisingly supportive of the Bernie nomination. Calling him a front runner - which... d'uh, but for MSM that's a startling concession.

Links or it didn't happen

I literally can't believe this LOL

[Jack Sawyer]

Paging Admiral Ackbar

[oskar]

ItsHappening.gif!

[Poopadoop]

Qanon, mail order bricks, Iraqi Dinar scam, border wall GoFundMe, border wall, Trump, zombi RBG conspiracy...
If you listen to Trump and you're capable of the tought "that sounds coherent and reasonable!" - you're an idiot.

...and of course pretty much any subforum of T_D

[Poopadoop]

lol people are still giving money to this

https://uk.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

Based on their last update about six weeks ago, it seems the plan (if you can call it that) has morphed into building the wall without the involvement of the government. So lmfao what, they're gonna just show up on some rancher's land one day with a construction crew, some hammer and nails, and a truckload of plywood?

[Poopadoop]

I honestly can't stop laughing.

Attachment 1091

They're gonna get there, $20 at a time... and it'll only take about fifty years!!

[oskar]

At least some people got educated on how much different a billion is from a million. In a country where you have to financially ruin yourself to get a higher education, that's worth something.

[OngBonga]

You can keep me up to date if any more information comes out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47319044

He's been arrested for filing a false police report.

[boost]

It's kinda obvious that stuff like this would start to pop up. There's a cost to the adoption of the "believe every victim" meme. It incentivizes false accusations and fabrications.

[boost]

Strange. Looking at your reply it would seem like *he* gave *her* an actual chance to make her point uninterrupted.





Well, she did ask him. He said he was.

Focus on the message, never on the messenger.



You are focusing on the trees, missing the forest while you are at it.

This is the dude in question

You seem to think that being right is synonymous with being effective. I'm not missing the forest for the trees, but you might be. For the sake of making my point, I'll concede that Abrams is literally Satan. Omar still did an awful job in that hearing.

[boost]

re: peoples reaction of skepticism about a story that /T_D latches onto:

This is a terrible way to operate. "your side" will make mistakes, and "the other side" will latch onto these. Sometimes "the other side" will fabricate or exaggerate negative stories about "your side", and vice versa-- but to just outright disbelieve a story because it works to the advantage of those you disagree, and therefore is promoted by them, is going to leave you in a truthless bubble built of confirmation bias.

[OngBonga]

It's kinda obvious that stuff like this would start to pop up. There's a cost to the adoption of the "believe every victim" meme. It incentivizes false accusations and fabrications.

This isn't the start. I remember at least a year ago some woman faking an email and claiming it as hate speech. It's a consequence of the left's obsession with labelling everyone as either a victim or an oppressor.

The fake claims aren't the bigger problem. What is much more serious is the media and the social media celebrities supporting such "victims" unconditionally because it suits their political agenda, while paying no attention to anyone on the right who claims to be a victim of political oppression.

The decent people on the left should be even more concerned than those on the right, since it is highly damaging to the credibility of the left.

There's a reason I abandoned the left many years ago.

[oskar]

re: peoples reaction of skepticism about a story that /T_D latches onto:

This is a terrible way to operate. "your side" will make mistakes, and "the other side" will latch onto these. Sometimes "the other side" will fabricate or exaggerate negative stories about "your side", and vice versa-- but to just outright disbelieve a story because it works to the advantage of those you disagree, and therefore is promoted by them, is going to leave you in a truthless bubble built of confirmation bias.

Go on T_D for a second and then tell me that I should have given credence to a story that these two guys were hired to impersonate Trump supporters:


This fucking retard... This is the single best thing that has happened to Trump, possibly since he got into office. Certainly this year. Nobody knows the name Christopher Hasson. Everybody knows about Jessie Smollett now. You're not going to have a conversation with a trump supporter for the rest of time where they don't bring up the Jessie Smollett thing.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...15818512941057

[Poopadoop]

re: peoples reaction of skepticism about a story that /T_D latches onto:

This is a terrible way to operate. "your side" will make mistakes, and "the other side" will latch onto these. Sometimes "the other side" will fabricate or exaggerate negative stories about "your side", and vice versa-- but to just outright disbelieve a story because it works to the advantage of those you disagree, and therefore is promoted by them, is going to leave you in a truthless bubble built of confirmation bias.

I disagree. If the other side is routinely coming up with dumb shit, at some point it's better to just close your mind to it than to keep thinking 'oh really? So and so runs a child porn ring out of a pizza joint?'

Sure my side will do some dumb shit and some shit that's corrupt, and they'll get caught. That doesn't mean I should listen to tinfoil hatters who come up with implausible fantasies.

[OngBonga]

Go on T_D for a second and then tell me that I should have given credence to a story that these two guys were hired to impersonate Trump supporters:

Are you suggesting that black people by default oppose Trump? Because there's another flaw in your thinking.

At least you seem to recognise how bad this is for the left.

[Poopadoop]

It's kinda obvious that stuff like this would start to pop up. There's a cost to the adoption of the "believe every victim" meme. It incentivizes false accusations and fabrications.

I don't think there is such a thing as a 'believe every victim' meme. If there were,anyone could accuse you of anything and you'd go straight to jail to await a trial. I think what's happened is it's become apparent that simply dismissing victims' reports when it suits your needs doesn't work anyone.

Most people who report crimes are being honest. It's newsworthy when someone makes a false report. So there's a certain rationale for leaning towards believing people who claim to be victims. This is much better than the alternative of not believing anyone when it doesn't suit your needs.

[oskar]

It's kinda obvious that stuff like this would start to pop up. There's a cost to the adoption of the "believe every victim" meme. It incentivizes false accusations and fabrications.

This story wasn't even seriously picked up until the story was about the possibility that it was faked. This was only made into big national news by social media. To claim that "the left" tried to play this up is extremely disingenuous.

[oskar]

Are you suggesting that black people by default oppose Trump? Because there's another flaw in your thinking.

At least you seem to recognise how bad this is for the left.

YES!
He's at like 5% approval rating. You have to be fucking retarded or a billionaire to be a black trump supporter. Go knock yourself out and find waldo: https://www.google.com/search?q=trum...w=1536&bih=736

[Poopadoop]

At least you seem to recognise how bad this is for the left.

You mean that one person might have faked a police report? Or am I missing some grander conspiracy here?

[Poopadoop]

Actually, it seems it worse for the right that the words 'Trump supporter' have become a shorthand for 'violent prejudiced person who's not too bright.'

[OngBonga]

You mean that one person might have faked a police report? Or am I missing some grander conspiracy here?

You missed the bit where I explain the fake report isn't the bigger problem.

[OngBonga]

Actually, it seems it worse for the right that the words 'Trump supporter' have become a shorthand for 'violent prejudiced person who's not too bright.'

Actually, the words "Trump supporter" coming from the left has come to be shorthand for "I judge people based on who they vote for".

[OngBonga]

YES!
He's at like 5% approval rating. You have to be fucking retarded or a billionaire to be a black trump supporter. Go knock yourself out and find waldo: https://www.google.com/search?q=trum...w=1536&bih=736

When you start a post with "he's at 5% approval rating" you demonstrate that you simply absorb what biased media says without actually thinking how ridiculous it is.

Do you really think he has a 5% approval rating? Really? Think about that. Go figure out how much of his own vote base would need to disapprove, assuming 100% of his opponents disapprove.

Well done for calling all black Trump supporters retards. You either assume literally all Trump supporters are retards, or you're racist. I know you'll say the former, and it might be true.

[OngBonga]

Maybe 5% if we're asking people in Mexico, Pakistan and Indonesia as well as USA.

[Poopadoop]

Actually, the words "Trump supporter" coming from the left has come to be shorthand for "I judge people based on who they vote for".

Most people judge people based on their actions.

If someone does something retarded, I tend to think it's because they're a retard.

[Poopadoop]

Do you really think he has a 5% approval rating? Really?

Pretty sure he meant among blacks. Truth might be closer to 15%. Don't think he ever cracked 20%.

[OngBonga]

Most people judge people based on their actions.

If someone does something retarded, I tend to think it's because they're a retard.

So you're saying that having a political opinion that differs to yours is to behave in a retarded manner, worthy of your judgement?

[Poopadoop]

You missed the bit where I explain the fake report isn't the bigger problem.

It's a problem for the left if the media acts as though a crime report is true until they have facts to suggest otherwise?

[Poopadoop]

So you're saying that having a political opinion that differs to yours is to behave in a retarded manner, worthy of your judgement?

Not that specifically, no.

I'm saying if you vote for someone who is obviously a con you're not too streetwise, and probably not too bright in general.

[OngBonga]

Pretty sure he meant among blacks. Truth might be closer to 15%. Don't think he ever cracked 20%.

Amongst blacks, I wouldn't expect him to fare well. He opposes immigration, many black people feel threatened by such a stance. I get that.

But many black people also do not like being politically manipulated, and the Dems are very adept at doing just that.

[OngBonga]

It's a problem for the left if the media acts as though a crime report is true until they have facts to suggest otherwise?

It's a problem for the left when left minded people begin to see the blatant media bias, and start to question whether Trump is as bad as they've been led to believe.

[Poopadoop]

For example, I wouldn't say voting for Mitt Romney made someone an idiot just because his political views didn't align with mine.

See the difference?

[OngBonga]

Not that specifically, no.

I'm saying if you vote for someone who is obviously a con you're not too streetwise, and probably not too bright in general.

If voting for a con artist is retarded, then everyone who ever voted is a retard.

[oskar]

That Trump is anything but a fat piece of shit trustfund baby who can barely talk coherently, is not a political opinion. If anyone looks at Trump and thinks "respectable!" I'm not being political in assuming that person is an idiot.

Trump got 8% of the black vote in 2016. Generally the polls hover between 3 to 10%. - 30% if it's Rasmussen. idk how they do their polls. I think 5% is a realistic estimate based on the last election and the general trend.

[Poopadoop]

Amongst blacks, I wouldn't expect him to fare well. He opposes immigration, many black people feel threatened by such a stance. I get that.

I don't think opposing immigration means he's going to send them back to Africa

But many black people also do not like being politically manipulated, and the Dems are very adept at doing just that.

If anyone thinks both parties aren't trying to manipulate them, that person is living in lala land.

[OngBonga]

That Trump is anything but a fat piece of shit trustfund baby who can barely talk coherently, is not a political opinion. If anyone looks at Trump and thinks "respectable!" I'm not being political in assuming that person is an idiot.

Who says he has to be "respectable"? He just has to be more credible than his opponents.

[Poopadoop]

If voting for a con artist is retarded, then everyone who ever voted is a retard.

Meh. There's at least some level of conscientiousness and responsiblity in most presidents. Most of them don't want to fuck up their country just for their own personal gain. Trump doesn't give a shit imo; or, he's too stupid to avoid being a fuckup, so maybe it's better he doesn't work very hard.

[Poopadoop]

Who says he has to be "respectable"? He just has to be more credible than his opponents.

In what way is he more credible than anyone? Serious question.

[OngBonga]

If anyone thinks both parties aren't trying to manipulate them, that person is living in lala land.

How does Trump manipulate blacks? Is he supporting Islamic immigration and making victims out of these immigrants at the expense of national security and culture in order to solidify his vote base? I must have missed that.

[OngBonga]

Most of them don't want to fuck up their country just for their own personal gain..

Think about this comment in the context of supporting immigration for the purpose of votes.

[OngBonga]

In what way is he more credible than anyone? Serious question.

The left have zero credibility. Trump at least appears to want what is in his opinion best for America.

[Poopadoop]

You have to assume immigration is bad for those arguments to work. And if you think that you should go back to Saxony you German fuck.

[OngBonga]

You think he's trying to fuck up the country for his own personal gain, that assumes you know his motivations. I don't.

[oskar]

Who says he has to be "respectable"? He just has to be more credible than his opponents.

What opponents? He's the president. You either support him or you don't. Opponents have nothing to do with it. "sure, he's secretly selling nuclear secrets to saudi arabia, buuuht Hilary!" - It makes no sense. She's not 2nd president, and supporting neither is an option.

[OngBonga]

You have to assume immigration is bad for those arguments to work. And if you think that you should go back to Saxony you German fuck.

Islamic immigration is bad, in my opinion. Supporting it on the basis of equality, when it's the most oppressive system of control that is widespread in today's world, would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking serious.

[Poopadoop]

Trump at least appears to want what is in his opinion best for America.

lol.

He pretty much just parrots whatever he sees on Fox News. So basically your argument is that Trump believes FN knows what's best and he is their conduit.

[OngBonga]

What opponents? He's the president. You either support him or you don't. Opponents have nothing to do with it. "sure, he's secretly selling nuclear secrets to saudi arabia, buuuht Hilary!" - It makes no sense. She's not 2nd president, and supporting neither is an option.

His opponents are the Dems and those who vote Dem.

Obviously.

[Poopadoop]

You think he's trying to fuck up the country for his own personal gain, that assumes you know his motivations. I don't.

nope I make inferences about his motives based on his actions. Nothing in his past or present suggests he's in it for anyone but himself.

[OngBonga]

lol.

He pretty much just parrots whatever he sees on Fox News. So basically your argument is that Trump believes FN knows what's best and he is their conduit.

I don't watch Fox News, I wouldn't know.

[Poopadoop]

Islamic immigration is bad, in my opinion.

This is the type of blanket prejudice that appeals to ignorant people.

Not everyone in those countries is a fundamentalist baby raper.

Supporting it on the basis of equality, when it's the most oppressive system of control that is widespread in today's world, would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking serious.

Hardly is anyone 'supporting' it. (Some) people are saying you shouldn't dismiss an immigrant simply by dint of them coming from a Muslim country. Big difference there.

[Poopadoop]

I don't watch Fox News, I wouldn't know.

Well, now you know.

The whole gov't shutdown thing was caused by an anchor on Fox. Trump was ready to cut a deal with the Dems until he watched their show.

[OngBonga]

nope I make inferences about his motives based on his actions. Nothing in his past or present suggests he's in it for anyone but himself.

The difference between us is that I don't hold my opinion to be any more worthy than yours. I see a dumb fuck who wants what's best for his country. He's already got everything he needs... billions of dollars at the biggest job in America. His ego is what matters to him. And the only way for him to massage his ego further would be to, in his opinion, make America great again. That's why I think he went for presidency.

Maybe I'm wrong and you're right. I don't think you're a retard for disagreeing with me. You guys default into "anyone who supports Trump is a retard", whether you acknowledge it or not. And, in my opinion, the reason is because the left control the media and you guys don't have critical thinking when it comes to absorbing it.

[oskar]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ck-loop-216248

This was surprising a year ago. Now everyone knows that he spends his entire morning watching TV and tweeting about what he sees on Fox. We got his TV watching schedule.

[OngBonga]

Not everyone in those countries is a fundamentalist baby raper.

I never said anything about any country. Don't try that game with me, I'm talking about Islamic immigration.

If anyone is fleeing an Islamic country and is prepared to abandon their religion, I would welcome them.

Every Islamic person supports a system that oppresses women. That's a fact.

[oskar]

What the fuck do you think he's doing that's "making america great" ... "again"?

[OngBonga]

What the fuck do you think he's doing that's "making america great" ... "again"?

I said in his opinion, not mine. Who gives a fuck what I think?

[Poopadoop]

Maybe I'm wrong and you're right. I don't think you're a retard for disagreeing with me.

I don't think you're a retard either. In fact I know you're not. I do think you're uninformed or naive or something though. Because it's plain to me that Trump is pushing hard on the 'worst president ever' crown.

You guys default into "anyone who supports Trump is a retard", whether you acknowledge it or not.

No I think "anyone who is a retard supports Trump." Don't confuse the two.

And, in my opinion, the reason is because the left control the media and you guys don't have critical thinking when it comes to absorbing it.

The media doesn't (afaik) cut and paste film and text to make Trump sound like a babbling incoherent racist.

The day Trump announced he was running, he said "I'm gonna build a Wall, and Mexico is going to pay for it."

That was the day I thought "A lot of retards are going to support this guy."

[Poopadoop]

I never said anything about any country. Don't try that game with me, I'm talking about Islamic immigration.

If anyone is fleeing an Islamic country and is prepared to abandon their religion, I would welcome them.

Every Islamic person supports a system that oppresses women. That's a fact.

So you want to ask people what religion they are as a prerequisite of allowing them to immigrate? Even America doesn't do that.

What religions would you let in/disallow? Satanists? Jehovahs Witnesses? Mormons?