Trump is the WWE and Mueller is The Undertaker

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The fact that it's Woodward and not someone like Omarosa gives the story credibility imo.

Why? Because he just happened to be the guy that picked up the phone when Deepthroat called?? That makes him honest, and fair, and credible?

I heard Stalin patted a puppy once. He must be a hell of a guy too.

I read most of one of Woodward's books. It was called "The Price of Politics". And it was a bunch of hearsay and 3rd hand accounts about how poorly Barack Obama demonstrated leadership in the white house. Seems that one didn't get much play in the mainstream media.

It also seems that this guy is making a living by milking his white house sources for gossip and publishing it in books with ominous and scary titles.

I mean, he claims that both Mattis and Kelly made belittling comments about Trump in front of other staffers.

There absolutely, positively, zero chance that Marine Corps generals, at the highest levels of their careers, are going around casually dropping derogatory comments about the commander in chief. There is just no way that stuff happened, ever, at all.

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Why? Because he just happened to be the guy that picked up the phone when Deepthroat called?? That makes him honest, and fair, and credible?

He claims to have documented all his sources. So once he dies we'll find out if he's lying or not I guess.

I read most of one of Woodward's books. It was called "The Price of Politics". And it was a bunch of hearsay and 3rd hand accounts about how poorly Barack Obama demonstrated leadership in the white house.

Not quite on the same level as having people steal files off your desk before you can sign them though, is it?

It also seems that this guy is making a living by milking his white house sources for gossip and publishing it in books with ominous and scary titles.

Ya, funny how much of this account lines up with all the other stories and leaks and the Op Ed coming out of the WH. Just a coincidence I guess.

I mean, he claims that both Mattis and Kelly made belittling comments about Trump in front of other staffers.

There absolutely, positively, zero chance that Marine Corps generals, at the highest levels of their careers, are going around casually dropping derogatory comments about the commander in chief. There is just no way that stuff happened, ever, at all.

You mean Marine Corps generals never criticize the president, ever? I didn't know that was in their code of conduct, I thought that they were used to speaking their mind whether others liked it or not.

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You mean Marine Corps generals never criticize the president, ever? I didn't know that was in their code of conduct,.

Well you learned something today.

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Ya, funny how much of this account lines up with all the other stories and leaks and the Op Ed coming out of the WH. Just a coincidence I guess.

Confirmation bias much?

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Confirmation bias much?

You mean when I keep hearing the same thing from independent sources I become more inclined to believe it? Yeah, I guess so.

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You mean when I keep hearing the same thing from independent sources I become more inclined to believe it? Yeah, I guess so.

You need to learn what "independent" means.

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So a Democrat college professor from Palo Alto says her life was de-railed by Brett Kavanaugh because when he was 17 or something, he sat on her.

Maybe he shouldn't be allowed to ever work again.

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He claims to have documented all his sources. So once he dies we'll find out if he's lying or not I guess.

What?

No...that's not what happens when you get sources "on background"

That's someone saying "I heard that this certain ugly thing might have happened, but you didn't hear that from me"

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What?

No...that's not what happens when you get sources "on background"

That's someone saying "I heard that this certain ugly thing might have happened, but you didn't hear that from me"

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He wrote down all the sources of all the conversations he reported. So when event X happens in room Y and Woodward decribes who says what, in his little notebook he has written down 'related by Gen. Kelly, who was in the room at the time.'

Then, in a couple of years when Trump is in jail, Kelly will be under no obligation to lie about what he told Woodward, but can instead say 'that's right, I told him I would have shoved my resignation up his ass', or he can say 'no I never said that, Woodward made that up about me.'

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He wrote down all the sources of all the conversations he reported.

He already has admitted that the sources of the conversations were not the people engaged in the conversations.

So when event X happens in room Y and Woodward decribes who says what, in his little notebook he has written down 'related by Gen. Kelly, who was in the room at the time.'

Because X event in room Y actually happened, doesn't mean that the people describing those events are telling the truth.

Then, in a couple of years when Trump is in jail, Kelly will be under no obligation to lie about what he told Woodward, but can instead say 'that's right, I told him I would have shoved my resignation up his ass',

If you can even entertain the thought that a marine corp general would say that directly, or indirectly, about the commander in chief, then you're a woefully under-IQ'd for this discussion.

or he can say 'no I never said that, Woodward made that up about me.'

Why isn't it credible if he says that now? Woodward has a second hand source that says he did say it. Kelly hasn't done anything honorable in his life that might earn him some credibility????

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He already has admitted that the sources of the conversations were not the people engaged in the conversations.

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I can only assume you got that little tidbit from Fox News Land.

As if Woodward says, 'hmmm I think I'll write a book. And, I'm going to talk to Gary Cohn today. Should I ask him about stuff he and others said in a room while he was there? Nah, that's too easy. I'm going to ask him if he has any gossip he heard from Omarosa'.

Get real.

Because X event in room Y actually happened, doesn't mean that the people describing those events are telling the truth.

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No-one assumes they're the word-for-word truth. But when you step back and look at the big picture, you're going to have a hard time convincing me all these sources are lying to make Trump look like an idiot. Especially since he already makes himself look like one every time he tweets or goes on TV.

If you can even entertain the thought that a marine corp general would say that directly, or indirectly, about the commander in chief, then you're a woefully under-IQ'd for this discussion.

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So your reasoning is there's a law of the universe that says Marine Corps Generals can't possibly criticize the president?

Why isn't it credible if he says that now?

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Take the Cohn resignation as an example. Woodward has Gary Cohn who reported a convo he was directly involved in with Kelly outside the president's office. Kelly still works for the president and obviously isn't going to admit to the public (yet) that he told Cohn he would have told the president to shove his resignation up his ass six times. So instead he says 'everything in that book about me is a lie'.

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I can only assume you got that little tidbit from Fox News Land.

It was directly from Bob Woodward's interview with Savannah Guthrie on the Today show (which is not on Fox).

haven't you guys been bitching forever now about a lack of civil debate. And yet when it's YOU who is confronted with information that doesn't fit your world view, you automatically go for "that's probably Fox BS".

Facts are facts kid. Use your brain

No-one assumes they're the word-for-word truth. But when you step back and look at the big picture, you're going to have a hard time convincing me all these sources are lying to make Trump look like an idiot.

Regarding the bolded: How many sources? What is "all these"?

Furthermore, WHY is that so hard to believe? Do you think Mattis and Kelley told Bob Woodward these things? Can we at least agree that the chances of that are about zilch?

So Woodward is hearing this stuff third-hand. Is it at all possible that someone in the whitehouse has an axe to grind and either made something up, or misunderstood something, or took something out of context just to get their story in a book?

Especially since he already makes himself look like one every time he tweets or goes on TV.

Yeah, he's really bringing himself down. I mean, he's only POTUS. If he was smarter, I guess he would be supreme overlord of the universe.

So your reasoning is there's a law of the universe that says Marine Corps Generals can't possibly criticize the president?

Pretty much

Take the Cohn resignation as an example. Woodward has Gary Cohn who reported a convo he was directly involved in with Kelly outside the president's office. Kelly still works for the president and obviously isn't going to admit to the public (yet) that he told Cohn he would have told the president to shove his resignation up his ass six times. So instead he says 'everything in that book about me is a lie'.

"would have told".....so what?

First of all, no he wouldn't have. 2nd, if he did say it, that's obviously hyperbole. and third, it's not critical of Trump. So how are you deducing that these "lies" are meant to "make Trump look like an idiot"?

Kinda hilarious that the most credible (i.e. non-anonymous) source in this book has the least damaging story to tell. What part of that story makes Trump look bad?

And how come nobody puts their name on the really juicy stuff??