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  1. #2326
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This isn't even enough to convince the CPS that there's a reasonable chance of successful prosecution, let alone the media presenting circumstantional evidence as though it is compelling. The media coverage has guaranteed they cannot get a fair trial.
    No there's no smoking gun, and they wouldn't be convicted based on what we've been told. Doesn't mean they shouldn't get the chance to go and anwer some questions. Doubt Putin will be sending them back for that, though.
  2. #2327
    Of course, Salisbury is a very old town (formerly known as Sarum) and there's lots to see there, just by walking around.
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  3. #2328
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You're not open to evidence though.
    No, I'm not open to irrelevant evidence like snow in Amesbury, when I'm not even concerned with why they did or didn't go to Stonehenge.

    I also find your 'lost tourist' and 'weather too bad to walk 15 minutes' explanations unconvincing.
  4. #2329
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    No there's no smoking gun, and they wouldn't be convicted based on what we've been told. Doesn't mean they shouldn't get the chance to go and anwer some questions. Doubt Putin will be sending them back for that, though.
    You might be wrong here. Putin can call our bluff. I would like to see him convince these guys to come back to the UK voluntarily to face trail, on the condition that it is a fair trial, that the Skirpals can be called as witnesses, and that the proceedings are public.

    I bet that won't happen.
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  5. #2330
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Stonehenge itself counts as "something to do in Salisbury", seeing as it's not far. Maybe they went to look if there were busses running to Stonehenge.
    Let me rephrase the question. What is there for tourists to do in the residential, NW part of Salisbury? Look at some British houses?
  6. #2331
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You might be wrong here. Putin can call our bluff. I would like to see him convince these guys to come back to the UK voluntarily to face trail, on the condition that it is a fair trial, that the Skirpals can be called as witnesses, and that the proceedings are public.

    I bet that won't happen.
    Lol no shit it won't happen. It wouldn't happen if they were innocent or guilty.
  7. #2332
    I also find your 'lost tourist' and 'weather too bad to walk 15 minutes' explanations unconvincing.
    It's a good job then that we're not trying to prove their innocence. The idea is to prove their guilt.

    There is nothing fishy about their movements, except for the fact someone got posioned nearby. And since the agent that poisoned the Skirpals was manufactured very close to Salisbury, well I have to say that it's the official story that appears to me as very much unconvincing.
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  8. #2333
    "of a type developed by Russia"

    Remember that?

    They didn't say "of a type created in Porton Down".
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  9. #2334
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Of course, Salisbury is a very old town (formerly known as Sarum) and there's lots to see there, just by walking around.
    You got that off a tourist brochure?

    There's a very nice cathedral, and some other old stuff you could see in practically any town in the UK.
  10. #2335
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You got that off a tourist brochure?

    There's a very nice cathedral, and some other old stuff you could see in practically any town in the UK.
    Ok so you have no appreciation of history, culture and architecture. Fair enough.
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  11. #2336
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's a good job then that we're not trying to prove their innocence. The idea is to prove their guilt.
    I'm not to prove anything in a court of law; I'm deciding what to believe. I can only believe they're innocent or they're guilty, and I'm going with the weight of probability that it's suspicious.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    And since the agent that poisoned the Skirpals was manufactured very close to Salisbury, well I have to say that it's the official story that appears to me as very much unconvincing.
    What's your proof of this?
  12. #2337
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Ok so you have no appreciation of history, culture and architecture. Fair enough.
    I've been to the cathedral twice, which is two times more than you have. So don't tell me I don't appreciate those things.

    And I didn't go wandering around a residential area near Skripal's house either time.
  13. #2338
    I'm not to prove anything in a court of law; I'm deciding what to believe. I can only believe they're innocent or they're guilty, and I'm going with the weight of probability that it's suspicious.
    I believe it's suspicious, but it's not the Russians I'm suspicious of.

    What's your proof of this?
    lol the word "novichok" is no longer on the Porton Down wikipedia page, and vice versa. I'll find something, bear with me.
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  14. #2339
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post

    lol the word "novichok" is no longer on the Porton Down wikipedia page, and vice versa.
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  15. #2340
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I've been to the cathedral twice, which is two times more than you have. So don't tell me I don't appreciate those things.

    And I didn't go wandering around a residential area near Skripal's house either time.
    Well you're the one who said there's old buildings in lots of towns. Of course there are. That is completely irrelevant. They were in Salisbury, and may well have been walking around aimelssly, having a look at old buildings.
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  16. #2341
    There are lots of reasons why they were wandering about in random directions. That's what tourists do.
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  17. #2342
    Ok this will do for now...

    Most telling was the Sky News interview with the head of Porton Down. Interviewer Paul Kelso repeatedly pressed Aitkenhead directly on whether the novichok could have come from Porton Down. Aitkenhead replies “There is no way, anything like that could…leave these four walls. We deal with a number of toxic substances in the work that we do, we’ve got the highest levels of security and controls”. Asked again twice, he each times says the security is so tight “the substance” could not have come from Porton Down. What Aitkenhead does NOT say is “of course it could not have come from here, we have never made it”. Indeed Aitkenhead’s repeated assertion that the security would never have let it out, is tantamount to an admission Porton Down does produce novichok.
    When asked if it could come from Porton Down, the response is to say "no, because security", not "no, because we don't make it".

    Make of that what you will.
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  18. #2343
    I know one thing... if I were a spy that had just committed a serious international crime, I wouldn't have a look in shops windows looking at coins on my way back to the station.
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  19. #2344
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Well you're the one who said there's old buildings in lots of towns. Of course there are. That is completely irrelevant. They were in Salisbury, and may well have been walking around aimelssly, having a look at old buildings.
    yeah, like Skripal's house.

    No-one goes wandering around residential streets on holiday. Look at a map of Salisbury. All Ye olde stuff is south and east of the station, not the north and west.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sa...YpfDl_aHDDIbM:

    Assuming there were signs at the station saying 'this way to go to see Ye Olde shit' (which there usually are), why would they go in the opposite direction?
  20. #2345
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I know one thing... if I were a spy that had just committed a serious international crime, I wouldn't have a look in shops windows looking at coins on my way back to the station.
    Where is the photo of them doing this?
  21. #2346
    No-one goes wandering around residential streets on holiday. Look at a map of Salisbury. All Ye olde stuff is south and east of the station, not the north and west.
    There are no photos that place them in a residential estate, only near one. On an A-road.


    https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury...ttack-11491730
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  22. #2347
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Ok this will do for now...
    That's not even suspicious, never mind proof.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    When asked if it could come from Porton Down, the response is to say "no, because security", not "no, because we don't make it".

    Make of that what you will.
    What I make of it is, 'yes we make nasty shit there, but we don't talk about what we do with it 'cause you know, it's a secret, so please politely fuck off'

    What you make of it is, 'we use it to poison former Russian agents and our own citizens, and here's a cryptic clue you can latch onto 'cause i really want the more paranoid members of the public to dig harder and find out the truth'
  23. #2348
    Assuming there weren't signs at the station saying 'this way to go to see Ye Olde shit' (which there usually are), why would they go in the opposite direction?
    It's as if you're only reading what you can be arsed to.

    I did actually give a possible reason for this, based on a quick glance of google maps. Go read.
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  24. #2349
    What I make of it is, 'yes we make nasty shit there, but we don't talk about what we do with it 'cause you know, it's a secret, so please politely fuck off'
    When this first hit the news, there was more than just a few comments from Porton Down to suggest they made the stuff, but I can't find it now.
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  25. #2350
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    There are no photos that place them in a residential estate, only near one. On an A-road.



    https://news.sky.com/story/salisbury...ttack-11491730[/QUOTE]


    Maybe they saw the camera inside and thought, let's stop here for a few seconds to give the impression we're really tourists and not contract killers for GRU.
  26. #2351
    Fuck me.
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  27. #2352
    Maybe they saw the camera inside? Are they walking sideways? Can you fuck me sideways please?
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  28. #2353
    They would want out of the UK asap, because once they are back home in Russia, they are safe. That would be all they gave a fuck about, not whether or not they look fishy in retrospect.
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  29. #2354
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's as if you're only reading what you can be arsed to.

    I did actually give a possible reason for this, based on a quick glance of google maps. Go read.
    You can make up any excuse you want for why they were near Skripal's house. It doesn't make it any less suspicious that they went in the direction opposite to the one that was their stated purpose for being there, AND that it just happened to take them near Skripal's house who was poisoned that same day.
  30. #2355
    You think walking around aimlessly is fishy, but looking in a shop window casually after committing a serious crime is standard.

    Dear me.
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  31. #2356
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    You can make up any excuse you want for why they were near Skripal's house. It doesn't make it any less suspicious that they went in the direction opposite to the one that was their stated purpose for being there, AND that it just happened to take them near Skripal's house who was poisoned that same day.
    By near, you mean 500 meters. They haven't been placed closer.
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  32. #2357
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    They would want out of the UK asap, because once they are back home in Russia, they are safe. That would be all they gave a fuck about, not whether or not they look fishy in retrospect.
    They can't make the train run any faster or leave the station sooner though can they? What's the point of rushing back to the station?

    Also, why would they be afraid of being caught? They've got their awesome alibi (according to you) and they don't have any nerve agent on them anymore, so what's the evidence they would be held on?

    You know those CCTV images aren't being processed in real time, right? The police aren't all like 'oh this guy's been poisoned. pull up the CCTV cameras right now and see if there's any Russians walking around with those big furry hats.'
  33. #2358
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    By near, you mean 500 meters. They haven't been placed closer.
    The point is, it's in the wrong direction. But fine, ignore that point again and again. All tourists love walking aimlessly around A roads near residential areas.
  34. #2359
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The point is, it's in the wrong direction. But fine, ignore that point again and again. All tourists love walking aimlessly around A roads near residential areas.
    You say that like it's proof of their guilt. Walking around aimlessly is EXACTLY what lots of tourists do.
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  35. #2360
    They can't make the train run any faster or leave the station sooner though can they? What's the point of rushing back to the station?
    Ok fair enough, this I can't refute. If they are indeed guilty, maybe they're just not in a hurry because they know they half half an hour to kill. Fine.
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  36. #2361
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    The point is, it's in the wrong direction. But fine, ignore that point again and again. All tourists love walking aimlessly around A roads near residential areas.
    It's in the wrong direction? So you didn't read my post about how they can come out of the station on the south, turn right, and end up looping back into Salisbury from the NW.
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  37. #2362
    I mean you seem to think because Putin didn't send a helicopter to take them straight from Skripal's front door back to Moscow is somehow evidence of their innocence.

    And that since the UK produces deadly nerve agents (like every other country does), it uses them to kill former Russian spies who've defected to the UK, putting their own citizens at risk, just so they can blame the resulting drop in tourism in Salisbury on Putin.

    To what end? Oh I know, so they can build a new submarine that they were going to build anyway.

    And now that you've got it in your head the UK will happily endanger and panic its own citizens in some sleepy tourist town just to make Putin look bad (because his public image was so good up till then), everything else is just part of the cover up.

    And yet more evidence of this cover up is that the UK's own guy doesn't seem to want to talk about their secret nerve agents with the press.
  38. #2363
    I mean you seem to think because Putin didn't send a helicopter to take them straight from Skripal's front door back to Moscow is somehow evidence of their innocence.
    The evidence of their inocence for me is the complete lack of evidence that is being presented as evidence form the British authorities and the MSM.

    And that since the UK produces deadly nerve agents (like every other country does), it uses them to kill former Russian spies who've defected to the UK, putting their own citizens at risk, just so they can blame the resulting drop in tourism in Salisbury on Putin.
    lol nice, we did this just to blame Putin for a drop in tourism. That's geopolitics in a nutshell.

    To what end? Oh I know, so they can build a new submarine that they were going to build anyway.
    Ah so you are actually aware of what this really is all about.

    And now that you've got it in your head the UK will happily endanger and panic its own citizens in some sleepy tourist town just to make Putin look bad (because his public image was so good up till then), everything else is just part of the cover up.
    You have way too much trust in government.
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  39. #2364
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's in the wrong direction? So you didn't read my post about how they can come out of the station on the south, turn right, and end up looping back into Salisbury from the NW.
    I read it, I just didn't find it convincing. Of course you can find a way back from the NW to the station. So what? You can find a way from any direction you go in back to the station.
  40. #2365
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The evidence of their inocence for me is the complete lack of evidence that is being presented as evidence form the British authorities and the MSM.
    There's a lot of circumstantial evidence. Their story is fishy and full of holes. They're spotted near Skripal's house.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Ah so you are actually aware of what this really is all about.
    I know what YOU think it's all about, yes. And I contend we were never NOT going to build that submarine or spend too much on defense. This 'false flag' story wasn't necessary or even beneficial. Is there evidence the submarine building programme was in trouble before, but now it's got the green light because of this?


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You have way too much trust in government.
    Not really, but I trust them more than I trust Putin. They don't try to bump off political rivals, or bump off anyone in the press or public eye who opposes them.
  41. #2366
    Well simply by looking at google maps, I could see how I could quickly find myself going in the "wrong direction", ending up on the A-road. It's not remotely fishy.
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  42. #2367
    There's a lot of circumstantial evidence. Their story is fishy and full of holes. They're spotted near Skripal's house.
    You keep saying this like it means something. They have not been placed closer than 500 meters. If they are seen actually on the housing estate, well then I would agree it beomces fishy. But being on an A-road in what is a small city half a kilometer from someone's house, that isn't fishy, not unless you're reading biased MSM articles that are written for the very purpose of making people think they are guilty.
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  43. #2368
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    By near, you mean 500 meters. They haven't been placed closer.
    Are there CCTV cameras by Skripal's house that DIDN'T see them? 'cause that would be exonerating evidence.
    The lack of footage of them closer to Skripal's is understandable if there weren't any cameras there because it's a residential area. If the camera footage shows them as close to his house as you can be while still being on public CCTV, that's suspicious.
  44. #2369
    That's my problem with this... everything I've read from the MSM or the British Government is written in such a way to present these guys as guilty.

    That tells me they're not.
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  45. #2370
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You keep saying this like it means something.
    Because it does.

    They had no reason to be there, unless they were the dumbest tourists around who went halfway around the world to see something, got to a station within a mile or two of it, and then either didn't use a map or couldn't read a map. So instead they went wandering up a road that just by coincidence took them near Skripal's house.
  46. #2371
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Are there CCTV cameras by Skripal's house that DIDN'T see them? 'cause that would be exonerating evidence.
    The lack of footage of them closer to Skripal's is understandable if there weren't any cameras there because it's a residential area. If the camera footage shows them as close to his house as you can be while still being on public CCTV, that's suspicious.
    I doubt footage will be released that proves their innocence, if it even exists. I'm unaware of any witnesses who claim to have seen them.

    Further, the Skirpals' movements were caught on camera, they left Salisbury at 9.15am and returned at 1.15pm. The precise nature of their movements being caught, I'm not so sure, but if it's outside their house, well the lack of evidence proving the Russians were there is very much telling.
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  47. #2372
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Because it does.

    They had no reason to be there, unless they were the dumbest tourists around who went halfway around the world to see something, got to a station within a mile or two of it, and then either didn't use a map or couldn't read a map. So instead they went wandering up a road that just by coincidence took them near Skripal's house.
    Couldn't read a map? I have got lost in places I don't know countless times, simply by going left out of a station instead of right. It doesn't take me long to rectify myself,, naturally. I'm not dumb. But I can find myself going in the wrong direction.

    They had every reason to be there. They were visiting Salisbury.
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  48. #2373
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    That's my problem with this... everything I've read from the MSM or the British Government is written in such a way to present these guys as guilty.

    That tells me they're not.
    It shouldn't tell you anything one way or the other. That's your problem.

    You already had it in your head the UK gov't did this as a false flag thing. So it's not surprising you're now looking for any holes in the story you can find, or any reason to distrust the gov't or MSM version of things.

    What you should be doing is looking at the evidence and asking yourself why these two guys were where they were when they were there. If you think it's plausible they just got lost or were wandering around being tourists, then fine. But I personally find that story unconvincing.
  49. #2374
    You already had it in your head the UK gov't did this as a false flag thing. So it's not surprising you're now looking for any holes in the story you can find, or any reason to distrust the gov't or MSM version of things.
    You do realise we're doing exactly the same thing? You decided they're guilty, so you're looking for holes in their story.

    The difference for me is, there's more holes in our story than theirs.
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  50. #2375
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Couldn't read a map? I have got lost in places I don't know countless times, simply by going left out of a station instead of right. It doesn't take me long to rectify myself,, naturally. I'm not dumb. But I can find myself going in the wrong direction.
    So the map tells you to go left and you go right? Sorry, but most poeple can tell their left from their right.

    Also, were there no signs at the station saying 'this way to Ye Olde Shit'? 'Cause I'd be surprised if that were true.
  51. #2376
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You do realise we're doing exactly the same thing? You decided they're guilty, so you're looking for holes in their story.
    I haven't decided anything. I'm simply presenting reasons why the Russian guys' activities were suspicious to me. You're the one trying to answer all these suspicions with whatever pops into your head.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The difference for me is, there's more holes in our story than theirs.
    I think there are missing parts to our story, where evidence is lacking. There's no evidence they had the poison on them or applied it to the door of Skripal's house. So it's hardly case closed.

    But the lack of some key evidence is not evidence the rest of the story is a fabrication. And the inconsistencies in the Russian guys' story are quite suspicious.
  52. #2377
    The thing with train stations is, maps don't tell you which platform you get off at. You could be on the north or the south, and you follow the signs that say "way out". So you either get dumped on the A36 on the North, and turn right to head in the "right direction", or you come out on the south side and turn left. I have no idea which side they came out of. If it's the south, it's really easy to fuck that up. Probably harder from the north.
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  53. #2378
    I think there are missing parts to our story, where evidence is lacking. There's no evidence they had the poison on them or applied it to the door of Skripal's house. So it's hardly case closed.

    But the lack of some key evidence is not evidence the rest of the story is a fabrication. And the inconsistencies in the Russian guys' story are quite suspicious.
    The way the Govt and the Media have dealt with this is evendience of fabrication, at least for me.

    I do think Putin could be in on it too, though. I mean it suits him just fine for us to be the enemy, it makes him popular and helps him justify his hugemilitary budgets.

    But what we say happened, that's highly unlikely for me.
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  54. #2379
    I'm not saying it's impossible to get lost. I'm saying it's funny they got lost in a way that took them in a direction towards the scene of the crime.
  55. #2380
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The way the Govt and the Media have dealt with this is evendience of fabrication, at least for me.
    go on...
  56. #2381
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    go on...
    It's impossible for these guys to get a fair trial. If they were genuine suspects, there is no way we'd release the information we have, because we wouldn't want to risk them getting away with it on technicalities.
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  57. #2382
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I'm not saying it's impossible to get lost. I'm saying it's funny they got lost in a way that took them in a direction towards the scene of the crime.
    Do we know if they were even walking in the direction of the Skirpals'? I don't. They could come out of the station, turn right, then turn right again, then they hit the A36... from there, left to the Skirpals', right to town. Maybe they went right there.

    I don't know. I bet you don't either.
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    Why is the proximity to the factory where the nerve agent was allegedly produced of any importance? If someone gets shot with german made bullets, do you think it's more likely the killer was german? Would it be even more likely if the bullet factory was really close? How does that make any sense?
    How do you think that plays out? You can send a package from anywhere in the world to basically anywhere within 24 hours, but you think the people who buy nerve agent for political assassinations shop local? To what end? Support local business? And then make sure that the factory is nearby so... so what? So you can bicycle over to the factory, get yer nerve agent, politically assassinate someone and be back home in time for tea? Explain yourself!
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  59. #2384
    Why is the proximity to the factory where the nerve agent was allegedly produced of any importance? If someone gets shot with german made bullets, do you think it's more likely the killer was german?
    cmon dude, you can hide bullets up your arse and take them wherever you like.
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  60. #2385
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's impossible for these guys to get a fair trial.
    I don't see that. The judge looks at what is presented to him in court, he doesn't make up his mind by reading a newspaper. And we don't have jury trials here do we? So no need to worry about what Joe Public is being told in that sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I f they were genuine suspects, there is no way we'd release the information we have, because we wouldn't want to risk them getting away with it on technicalities.
    What technicality is that? There's no law saying evidence leaked to media is therefore invalid.
  61. #2386
    The fact there was an alleged poisoning from a nerve agent is rare enough. If it was the Russians, it's the first time they've used a nerve agent on UK soil.

    That it happened a few miles from our primary military-grade chemical weapons lab, I mean really. How many labs like this do you think we have?
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  62. #2387
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    cmon dude, you can hide bullets up your arse and take them wherever you like.
    But you can't hide a nerve agent? Why is that?
  63. #2388
    I don't see that. The judge looks at what is presented to him in court, he doesn't make up his mind by reading a newspaper. And we don't have jury trials here do we? So no need to worry about what Joe Public is being told in that sense.
    um yes we have jury trials here, and that's precisely what they should get.

    What technicality is that? There's no law saying evidence leaked to media is therefore invalid.
    Members of the jury being aware of the case.
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    But you can't hide a nerve agent? Why is that?
    Because it's fucking dangerous. Would you put Novichok up your arse? No amount of money would do it for me.
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    The fact there was an alleged poisoning from a nerve agent is rare enough. If it was the Russians, it's the first time they've used a nerve agent on UK soil.

    That it happened a few miles from our primary military-grade chemical weapons lab, I mean really. How many labs like this do you think we have?
    I find this proximity argument pretty lame too. Unless you can show the nerve agent degrades with kilometers from where it's produced, it seems completely irrelevant.
  66. #2391
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Because it's fucking dangerous. Would you put Novichok up your arse? No amount of money would do it for me.
    You don't carry it on an international flight unless it's very well-disguised, not shoved up your ass ('cause that's not suspicious at all having a vial up your ass).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The fact there was an alleged poisoning from a nerve agent is rare enough. If it was the Russians, it's the first time they've used a nerve agent on UK soil.

    That it happened a few miles from our primary military-grade chemical weapons lab, I mean really. How many labs like this do you think we have?
    Do you think they somehow coerced the targets into getting really close to the nerve agent factory so the nerve agent man didn't have to walk too far to deliver the nerve agent?

    Or was it coincidental like: oh, they're close to the nerve agent factory, let's kill 'em with that then! Their original plan was the piano factory, but then the targets got lost and there was a change of plans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Their original plan was the piano factory, but then the targets got lost and there was a change of plans?
    Come on Oskar, use your head. The nearest piano factory is in Edinburgh. Also the main bullet factory is in Manchester so they couldn't use a gun ldo.

    There is, however, a bus factory in Salisbury which is even closer than the secret nerve agent place. I'm a bit surprised they didn't run him over with a bus frankly. But I guess there was too much sleet, so they went to Plan B.
  69. #2394
    I can't actually believe you guys think moving a highly toxic nerve agent around is the same as carrying bullets.

    The further you travel with nerve agents, the greater the risk of an accident. At the very least, if it was the British who did this, we seem to have at least taken some measures to minimise the risks.
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  70. #2395
    The idea they would just dump the agent without a care is also ridiculous. If this was a Kremlin hit on a Russian enemy, then you would imagine there would be strict orders from the top to not be fucking sloppy. Do you seriously think Putin would accept the risk of a nerve agent killing lots of British people on British soil? That would be very serious indeed, and not in Russia's best interests.

    So no, they would not dump a perfume bottle in a bin. They would have a better plan.

    It's interesting these guys aren't ill. They would surely have got noticed wearing hamzat suits outside the Skirpal's house. Funny no one saw that.
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  71. #2396
    Back to the pics of them gawping at coins after they did the deed... they don't seem particularly concerned that they might have come into contact with a highly toxic nerve agent.

    So if they aren't concerned about their own health, my guess is they were protected. Either that or they were completely unaware of the shitstorm that was brewing.
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    they would not dump a perfume bottle in a bin. They would have a better plan.
    Such as? Take it back to Russia with them through the airport?


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    It's interesting these guys aren't ill. They would surely have got noticed wearing hamzat suits outside the Skirpal's house. Funny no one saw that.
    Ikr. And these girls didn't get sick either. It's crazy that when you spray a nerve agent on something or someone else it doesn't kill you just for holding the bottle it was in. It's almost as if the bottle somehow protects you from what's inside of it.

  73. #2398
    Ikr. And these girls didn't get sick either. It's crazy that when you spray a nerve agent on something or someone else it doesn't kill you just for holding the bottle it was in. It's almost as if the bottle somehow protects you from what's inside of it.
    For a start, these are different nerve agents. Secondly, I'll bet these bitches were shitting themselves. I haven't seen images of them chilling out shortly afterwards.
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  74. #2399
    Such as? Take it back to Russia with them through the airport?
    Nope, that's obviously also a bad plan. Maybe they could destroy it. I've no idea what happens when you mix Novichock with concentrated sulphuric acid, but I'll bet the Russians know. I don't know how to make Novichok safe, but dumping it isn't something I would be thinking about, not if I gave a shit about the potential consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Back to the pics of them gawping at coins after they did the deed... they don't seem particularly concerned that they might have come into contact with a highly toxic nerve agent.
    It's not like 'ooh some of that deadly nerve agent might have got on me, i'd better go wash my hands.' it's like 'good job i didn't get any on me, or i'd be in my death throes right now. Ok, let's go pretend to be tourists while we wait for the train.'

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